New Orleans Modern Day version of "Sodom and Gomorrah"

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

This is my point, you are assuming he is trying to affect someone else with his sentence, he is not. His sentence simply states that HE would never do such a thing, he is not disparadging the person for doing so.

Well then you and I have very different interpretations of his post and its tone. Gary apparently felt the same way about it that I did. I think if you read through this thread and read that post again with his previous posts in mind, you might feel differently.

If not, I suppose just like every other thread on "hot button" topics, that's the way it goes.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Many kittens perished in the making of this thread.

[RendeR]

Think of the KITTENS!!!

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That wasn't the question and you know it.

SI

Stop putting words into his mouth, damn you! I'm sick and tired of this intolerance and bigotry! You bitch! May you be mounted by a diseased yak!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

Well then you and I have very different interpretations of his post and its tone. Gary apparently felt the same way about it that I did. I think if you read through this thread and read that post again with his previous posts in mind, you might feel differently.

If not, I suppose just like every other thread on "hot button" topics, that's the way it goes.

We must have interpreted them differently then, I read a number of posts by someone trying to explain his position, albeit in doing so he did come off a bit intolerant. I think perhaps understanding his position more than the other side, I see it more this way than the other. As much of a cynic as I can be, I still tend to expect the best of people, though I am sorely disspointed more often than not.

[jeff061]

No I'm not trying to change anyones mind. Obviously I have pretty strong opinion of some of the backwards thinking in this world and I only blow steam off about it once or twice a year. I still believe I can respect someone, and not their beliefs. And by hanging out with them I am tolerating them AND their beliefs.

I think I'm done really arguing in this thread .

Many kittens perished in the making of this thread.

Hmm. I find that very peculiar.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Stop putting words into his mouth, damn you! I'm sick and tired of this intolerance and bigotry! You bitch! May you be mounted by a diseased yak!

Female Yak are not called Bitches.They are called heiffers.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Female Yak are not called Bitches.They are called heiffers.

I wasn't referring to what you call them mid mounting.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

As much of a cynic as I can be, I still tend to expect the best of people, though I am sorely disspointed more often than not.

I think on this you and I agree 100%. In fact, I made a very similar statement a couple pages back.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I wasn't referring to what you call them mid mounting.

What you and your yak discuss during mounting is NONE of my busines

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I think on this you and I agree 100%. In fact, I made a very similar statement a couple pages back.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Everything is a political calculation, for every politician. Period.

Why does he think it's wrong?

Because he's not smart?

[CamEdwards]

wow. this has been an hour of my life I'll never get back.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by RendeR

What you and your yak discuss during mounting is NONE of my busines

You're just jealous 'cause my yak is prettier than yours.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I personally believe it is ignorant to not search for the true answers to any question, and as someone else also mentioned, MANY organized religions actively dissuade their followers from searching for these anwers, swathing their questions in rhetoric such as "GOD has a plan for all of us".

To suggest that God is omnipotent and omniscient is not at all the same thing as 'dissuading followers from searching for answers.'

I suspect that those who are coming down 'anti-religion' in this thread have a totally alien conception of how those who are 'pro-religion' view/think about God.

God is that which we cannot understand; there is something of the mystic in any true follower.

From chapter 7 of the Bhagavad Gita: "I am the taste of the living waters, and the light of the sun and the moon... I am the intelligence of the intelligent. I am the beauty of the beautiful. I am the power of those who are strong, when this power is free from passions and selfish desires. I am desire when this is pure, when this desire is not against righteousness."

See also George Fox or Meister Eckhart for a 'Christian' point of view.

I will now prepare to be lampooned.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by capsicum

My religion is faith based. Its my Faith in god that insures my salvation. My salvation isnt controlled by my religion but by my faith in GOD. The lord is my light and my salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
blah blah bible quoting blah blah

what are you doing in this forum? i don't come here for your sunday school bible passage reading bullshit. i hope you get banned so i don't have to be irritated by your shit.

and don't give me this "you can ignore me" shit. i'd still be bothered knowing your bible lecturing was being posted. its mere essense would continue to annoy me.

just stop. you need to go to "Front Office Football Christians.com" and keep your shit there.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

wow. this has been an hour of my life I'll never get back.

You know you wouldn't have done anything productive with it anyway.

[capsicum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

And this is a PRIME example of why I create problems with my posts. Thank you, please drive through.

Fixed it for you.


I have readily admitted my mistakes.

While handing out advice to others you might want to take some to heart yourself and not be so quick to judge others in the worse possible light whenever possible.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by capsicum

I have readily admitted my mistakes.

no, you haven't admitted your mistake of thinking you can make this place all political, all religious debate all the time.

[Ajaxab]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Wow, what a good (albeit loooong) read.

The BELIEF vs SCIENCE discussion really entertains me. If a theologin wants to convince me that he's correct then perhaps he should come up with some facts? BELIEF as someone else posted, is a personal trust in something, in a majority of religions, this belief is based on the trust that a superior being is in control of everything, however, there is no proof that such a being exists, which brings me to the conclusion that there are millions of people in the world constantly conversing with their "invisible friend". To place trust and faith in something imaginary (IE something that is not physically real) simply boggles my mind.

Just curious. What would count as evidence for God's existence? I know I'm splitting hairs here, but what exactly counts as a fact? Would it be fair to say that a fact is that which can be verified empirically by the scientific method through the senses?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

no, you haven't admitted your mistake of thinking you can make this place all political, all religious debate all the time.

The first mistake was coming to A FUCKING SPORTS FORUM to talk about politics and religion. I know she needs to keep tabs on Franky, or he'll post all kinds of porn everywhere. Jeez, probably 20 plus people or more are annoyed by her now. I've never seen anyone regarded with that much disdain, outside of Bubba maybe.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

She's read my post history.

ewww

[MacroGuru]

It's ok, my Flying Spaghetti monster will kick your gods ass!

[capsicum]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

no, you haven't admitted your mistake of thinking you can make this place all political, all religious debate all the time.

Am I guilty of creating this thread or merely posting my thoughts along with the many other board members? This thread happened without any help from me.
You cant handle my opinions? Well that sucks for you. You are unable to control what you choose to read? Well that sucks for you.

Your rabid spewing of hatred affects me little, if at all.

Thinking does not appear to be your strong suit. Neither is self control, apparently.
You have my pity.
And im amazed to find you in a political discussion pointing fingers, yelling about me being involved in a political discussion....who made you FOFC police?
Im very willing to discuss football, but I am also very interested in others opinions in threads like these. So sue me. I guess women with political views threatens your manhood *cough* somehow?

[WSUCougar]

Wow. I walked in very late to a very strange party. But here's my two bits:

1. Anyone else picture a certain husband and wife tag team banging away zealously on their respective computers, leaning over to slap some sloppy high-fives as they w00t their way through another greeeeeeeeat evening doing the Lord's work online?

2. So New Orleans, Vegas, San Fran, and New York are the really evil cities, eh? Whatever happened to Amsterdam? Or Bangkok? I heard that one night there and the world's your oyster. And how did Newark, or Detroit, or Jefferson County (inside Missouri joke) escape judgement this long?

3. I had a heavy dose of organized religion earlier in my life. What mainly turned me off so much about it was the digression from the essence of Jesus' teachings (love one another; tolerance; forgiveness) into the finger-pointing clamor of an endless stream of moral hypocrites. Many (not all) of those presumably representing Christianity in this thread are a stark reminder of that.

4. Oh, and here's some scripture for you: Judge not, lest you be judged. Luke 6:37

[HomerJSimpson]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Wow. I walked in very late to a very strange party. But here's my two bits:

Or Bangkok? I heard that one night there and the world's your oyster.
[/i]

Greatest. Post. Ever.

[Anthony]

your nonsense and religious rhetoric annoys me. others share your beliefs - the fucking mod of this message board is a religious leader in his community!!! - but we all show a general love of sports and a willingness to have a good time. you show none of that. you just want to stir the pot and wrap yourself in the inevitable "interesting" debate that ensues from making your religious right comments.

what you seek to do is akin to me going to a cooking message board and insisting on making video game related posts. you can't turn this place into something its not. the political/religious banter that goes on here is just a side act. it's not the main draw. we're just biding our time till the next FOF game. that's all. at that point you might not find this place interesting cuz no one will care about what your God does to sodomites and others who reject Him.

you're not even cute annoying where you could be quasi-tolerated, now you're just annoying annoying.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Jim this is the difference between someone who believes in religion and someone who doesn't. You find it hard to accept that God could allow the Holocaust to happen - I believe God allowed his Son to go to His death when He could have stopped it. But if you don't believe that then yes, its going to be very difficult to understand how God could let all these things happen.

It just seems so convenient. Present the inexplicable as fact - throw in a father sacrificing his son and a world begun with the ultimate sin - someone searching for knowledge. It just doesn't make sense to me. I suppose it never will.

It's fun to discuss, really. I get a kick out of it, because it seems like such a manipulative system. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Of my close friends, the only other atheist is my little sister. I married a PK. We get along just fine. These things get blown up into fundamental differences only on message boards.

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Then again, what about all the great things that do happen in the world? Aren't any of them above scientific reasoning?

I'm okay with saying, "I don't know" sometimes. I prefer that to inventing a supreme being that's essentially a cover for everyone else's "I don't know" in addition to mine.

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Why was your son lucky enough to survive when there are others like him that don't? Have you ever thought that maybe God touched your son and spared his life despite the difficulties he went through initially? Why could the doctors save him but not others? Maybe you have an explanation that satisfies those questions to you.

I don't know. No one was praying in that room, that much I do know. I think it's more attributable to the skill of the doctors and his general strength than any mystical explanation.

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

For me, when my son was born the cord was around his neck. I know I spent the next few minutes praying while a team of nurses huddled around him. I believe that God helped us - we have a beautiful, healthy 11 month old baby boy now. You might find that odd but I wouldn't know what else to do if my wife and I were in the much worse situation that you and your wife were in.

I'm glad it worked out. And, honestly, if I were religious, there really isn't much for dad to do in a situation like that other than pray. If I had thought there was one scintilla of a chance it would make one ounce of difference, I would have. There are atheists in foxholes.

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

I just thank God things worked out for us and for you and your wife. Is there noone or nothing that you think about in situations like that or do you just believe that the people on earth have control over everything and that when a child dosen't survive that the doctors screwed up or the child was just unlucky? For me, that doesn't do it - I believe there is a higher power at work but to each his own and that's ok with me.

I thought about what I could do to help, though not having medical training that was limited. I took control of what I could - coaching my wife, talking the doctors into giving us more time before the C-section. They said I might have helped save him just doing that - I certainly stopped the C-section, they were prepping for it.

Yes, I feel there are bad doctors, good doctors who make mistakes, and unlucky parents. Some are very unlucky, like my brother-in-law. Just when they were starting to hope that maybe Noah had beaten the odds, he died.

There's just no evidence of a supreme being. There are people like Franklin's wife, who can quote a lot of scripture that talks about this. But ultimately it's only scripture, and it has to be taken as fact entirely on faith. I don't have that faith. I never will.

[capsicum]

Originally Posted by stevew

The first mistake was coming to A FUCKING SPORTS FORUM to talk about politics and religion. I know she needs to keep tabs on Franky, or he'll post all kinds of porn everywhere. Jeez, probably 20 plus people or more are annoyed by her now. I've never seen anyone regarded with that much disdain, outside of Bubba maybe.

Let me guess you entered this thread to discuss the opening week of NFL games???

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by capsicum

who made you FOFC police?

No one did. I am, and you're done here. No, not for any specific post. You are done because you are divisive, add nothing to the community, and have done nothing but stir up controversy since you got here.

[KWhit]

I was raised in a Christian home. But as I learned more and more, I realized that I just didn't buy it. I started to wonder. Why is this religion the right one? What about the other religions taught aroundthe world? What makes us righht and them wrong? What about the Greeks and Romans who worshipped multiple Gods and were convinced that the sun was carried across the sky in a chariot?

Why should I presume that the religion that I was taught is the right one? Especially when the bible teaches things that I don't believe are scientifically possible. Believing that God created the earth in 7 days is like believing in the chariot pulling the sun. It's a fantasy created to try to explain the unexplainable.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

No one did. I am, and you're done here. No, not for any specific post. You are done because you are divisive, add nothing to the community, and have done nothing but stir up controversy since you got here.

Shitstorm in 3..2..1...

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

You are done because you are divisive, add nothing to the community, and have done nothing but stir up controversy since you got here.

If this is the criteria, you have a lot of banning to do.

[WSUCougar]

[Anthony]

i was gonna make a comment to capsicum, but now i see it'd be useless.

if you're reading this, hun, better luck next time. you should learn to play nice with all the good little girls and boys, believers of God or not.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

No one did. I am, and you're done here. No, not for any specific post. You are done because you are divisive, add nothing to the community, and have done nothing but stir up controversy since you got here.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by now, but this is b.s. She didn't start this thread, and she didn't post anything more divisive than anybody else.

Better ban me while you're at it. I'm not going to have anything to "add to the community" here anymore either.

I hope you guys enjoy your little closed-minded forum. I give up.

[HomerJSimpson]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by now, but this is b.s. She didn't start this thread, and she didn't post anything more divisive than anybody else.

Better ban me while you're at it. I'm not going to have anything to "add to the community" here anymore either.

I hope you guys enjoy your little closed-minded forum. I give up.

Good-bye. Would say I'll be missing you, but that'd be a lie.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. i was just going to post on what the over/under for Franky's reaction would be, but I guess it was that fast.

i ditto what Homer said Franky. I'd say I'd miss you and it's a loss, but I think that ever think she showed up here you havn't been the old Franky and frankly it's not much of a loss.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by capsicum

Fixed it for you.


I have readily admitted my mistakes.

While handing out advice to others you might want to take some to heart yourself and not be so quick to judge others in the worse possible light whenever possible.

SNIP!!


*sends SD a cookie*

[Anthony]

Franklin, trust me, let this blow over. head on over to the Falcons/Eagles thread, chill out, talk about how bad the Falcons offense is, just change the topic. i'm making this appeal to the FN we all want back.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Ajaxab

Just curious. What would count as evidence for God's existence? I know I'm splitting hairs here, but what exactly counts as a fact? Would it be fair to say that a fact is that which can be verified empirically by the scientific method through the senses?

Honestly? I would need an introduction and some personal first hand verifiable examples of his power. I'm a real skeptic, it would take a lot.

[stevew]

Clothes minded?

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Index.htm

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by now, but this is b.s. She didn't start this thread, and she didn't post anything more divisive than anybody else.

Better ban me while you're at it. I'm not going to have anything to "add to the community" here anymore either.

I hope you guys enjoy your little closed-minded forum. I give up.

Can you truly be surprised? Ever since she came to the board you two have been tilting at every possible windmill, riding around on your moral high horses and scoffing at the serfs beneath your hooves. Enjoy the quest elsewhere.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

Franklin, trust me, let this blow over. head on over to the Falcons/Eagles thread, chill out, talk about how bad the Falcons offense is, just change the topic. i'm making this appeal to the FN we all want back.

uh HA, the Falcons offense (Michael Vick and a cast of clowns) is outscoring the Iggles. 50 rushing yds tonight for the Igs.

[Swaggs]

This thread needs wrestling music.

[Chubby]

1st down Eagles at the 2 min warning!

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by now, but this is b.s. She didn't start this thread, and she didn't post anything more divisive than anybody else.

Better ban me while you're at it. I'm not going to have anything to "add to the community" here anymore either.

I hope you guys enjoy your little closed-minded forum. I give up.

To be brutally and bluntly honest, FN.

Since she started posting here, you've changed. A fucking TON. And not for the better, in my mind. I've rarely found a thread you've posted in lately where I simply don't say "who the fuck IS this?". We've had many a religious/political discussion before these last few shitstorms, and not until the woman started coming here did you act like this.

Either I didn't have the slighest bead on you, or you've done a total 180.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I don't have that faith. I never will.

I don't think you can say that you 'never' will, but I agree with you on proof. Proof in faith is not material. You won't find it in a science book...or even the bible.

It's similar to love. I love my wife and my kids. I can't prove it scientifically, but that intangible connection exists.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, until you make that connection, I understand how it simply doesn't seem real. Just like we didn't love our wives before we met them. It's not something you can force, it's not something you can fake, and I believe we all have every right as human beings to question the existance of a higher power. And I don't believe God takes away points for us not believing based on the information we have.

But believing in God is a leap of faith. It's irrational, like love, it doesn't fit into the boundaries of logic or reason.

Personally, I believe in God. But while I have made that connection with God, I have not made that connection with any church or religion. I am a natural skeptic of man's motives when it comes to religion. I'm just not buying any of it. There's too much variation and differences for me to believe any of it is anything more than different sales pitches.

But unless science can prove God doesn't exist and the very first universe was created by a particle of dust exploding in a worm hole (or whatever), I place the burden of proof on the scientists.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

Franklin, trust me, let this blow over. head on over to the Falcons/Eagles thread, chill out, talk about how bad the Falcons offense is, just change the topic. i'm making this appeal to the FN we all want back.

The FN we know and love is never coming back HA. Relationship Franklin entered FOFC and he KILLED Independant Franklin forever.

[DaddyTorgo]

CAN WE PLEASE BURY THIS THREAD NOW!! OR AT LEAST STOP POSTING RELIGIOUS DEBATES IN IT!?!

please maybe?