My Ridiculously Inept Congresscommie (Who Now Faces Arrest!)

[Radii]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Put me in the camp that believes that the apology came about due to the CBC meeting last night, and that it wasn't something she wanted to do.

My 8 year old got caught telling a lie a few weeks ago. He dug his heels in, made up a quick, and totally implausable story and denied that he'd told a lie. My wife laid into him for awhile, and let it go. I came home and laid into him for a little while, just trying to get him to see(and admit) that we had caught him totally red-handed, but he continued to stay in his own little alternate reality, and at a couple of points actually said to each of us "Ok, I admit that I lied, but I really didn't, I just don't want to talk about it any more" thinking that would somehow make everything ok.

Hearing that McKinney apologized after all of the bullshit of the last week strikes me as having only slightly more tact, and the same amount of sincerity(none) as an 8 year old in the story above.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Radii

My 8 year old got caught telling a lie a few weeks ago. He dug his heels in, made up a quick, and totally implausable story and denied that he'd told a lie. My wife laid into him for awhile, and let it go. I came home and laid into him for a little while, just trying to get him to see(and admit) that we had caught him totally red-handed, but he continued to stay in his own little alternate reality, and at a couple of points actually said to each of us "Ok, I admit that I lied, but I really didn't, I just don't want to talk about it any more" thinking that would somehow make everything ok.

Hearing that McKinney apologized after all of the bullshit of the last week strikes me as having only slightly more tact, and the same amount of sincerity(none) as an 8 year old in the story above.

Yeah, you should have known something was up when Danny Glover came over to your house to defend him.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Yeah, you should have known something was up when Danny Glover came over to your house to defend him.

Glover was alright, it was Belafonte that really got to me.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by McKinney's web site

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Coz Carson, Communications Director
202-225-1605, 404-803-7929 c, [email protected]

Statement on the Floor of the House of Representatives
By Rep. Cynthia A. McKinney
April 6, 2006

Thank you Mr. Speaker,
I come before this body to personally express, again, my sincere regret about the encounter with the Capitol Hill Police. I appreciate my colleagues who are standing with me, who love this institution and who love this country. There should not have been any physical contact in this incident. I have always supported law enforcement, and will be voting for H. Res. 756 expressing my gratitude and appreciation to the professionalism and dedication of the men and women of the U.S. Capitol Police. I am sorry that this misunderstanding happened at all and I regret its escalation. And I apologize.

.

[Glengoyne]

An apology isn't near as satisfying as a court date.

Unfortunately I'm guessing this is what is required to get the officer in question to drop the charges.

[stevew]

I'm guessing she will probably win re-election quite easily. When's the primary?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by stevew

I'm guessing she will probably win re-election quite easily. When's the primary?

That is guarenteed.

[Bearcat729]

For those with HBO she's on Real Time with Bill Maher this week.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

For those with HBO she's on Real Time with Bill Maher this week.

Bill Maher still has a show?????? And people watch it, AND pay for it??????

Hahahahah!!!!! Certain americans are dumb.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Bill Maher still has a show?????? And people watch it, AND pay for it??????

Hahahahah!!!!! Certain americans are dumb.

That sounded harsh. My bad.

I think that Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern suck too, so don't think I only hate on political liberals. I despise ALL one-sided morons.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

That sounded harsh. My bad.

I think that Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern suck too, so don't think I only hate on political liberals. I despise ALL one-sided morons.

Bill Maher is on the liberal side of a lot of issues, but is by no means one-sided. He takes a lot of stands that would be unpopular to most liberals. From the wikipedia entry:

Maher describes himself as a libertarian and celebrates libertarian figures such as Larry Elder and P.J. O'Rourke. He favors partial privatization of social security, ending corporate welfare, and legalizing drugs, gambling, prostitution, and pornography. He supported Bob Dole in the 1996 U.S. presidential election on the basis that Dole was a war hero. [1] He has expressed disdain for many of the liberal positions regarding hate crime, sexual harassment, etc. as being "things that make women nod." (In general, his views on women and sex tend to be iconoclastic and potentially offensive.) However, Maher does support many Social Democrat stances which are in direct opposition to libertarian ideology and/or associated with modern liberalism, including government regulation of corporations, restrictions on corporate entrepreneurship, foreign aid, an internationalist foreign policy, public schooling, a ban on homeschooling, campaign finance restrictions, radical environmentalism, affirmative action, minimum wage laws, gun control, income redistribution through higher taxation and government funding for abortion.

That's the profile of someone left of center, but definitely not on the level of Rush hackery, just someone with an opinion.

[BishopMVP]

Ping: Bucc - I don't follow Bill Maher, but when you've got

government regulation of corporations, restrictions on corporate entrepreneurship, foreign aid, an internationalist foreign policy, public schooling, a ban on homeschooling, campaign finance restrictions, radical environmentalism, affirmative action, minimum wage laws, gun control, income redistribution through higher taxation and government funding for abortion.

you're not a libertarian. Just wanting to legalize drugs/prostitution does not make you one.

[st.cronin]

a ban on homeschooling?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

a ban on homeschooling?

Yup. That's a real Libertarian position, no?

[Buccaneer]

No, just the opposite, I think.

[st.cronin]

What's wrong with homeschooling? I can't imagine a left or right argument against it.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What's wrong with homeschooling? I can't imagine a left or right argument against it.

It would come from an NEA, anti-religion or pro-govt/socialistic position.

[SFL Cat]

It is evil, because it is mostly bigoted Christian zealots who do homeschooling. Don't you know, it takes a village to indoctrinate...er...teach a child.

[GrantDawg]

My in-laws have just received a bit of a shock. They just found out because of redistricting, they are now in McKinney's district! They cut a portion of Dekalb county off her area, and gave her a large portion of Rockdale County. Needless to say, they are not amused.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My in-laws have just received a bit of a shock. They just found out because of redistricting, they are now in McKinney's district! They cut a portion of Dekalb county off her area, and gave her a large portion of Rockdale County. Needless to say, they are not amused.

Ha HA!


/Nelson voice off

[Ben E Lou]

More from good ol' Cynthia, from tomorrow's AJC:

TV station catches gaffe by McKinney
Congresswoman berates staffer as tape rolled after interview

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/24/06 Move over Britney Spears, Cynthia McKinney's — oops! — done it again.
The flap-plagued congresswoman, who has been in the media spotlight since she scuffled with a Capitol Hill police officer last month, was caught bad-mouthing a senior staffer Saturday.
Unfortunately for McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat who is running for re-election in the 4th Congressional District, a TV microphone she was wearing picked up her indelicate grumbling.
"Crap!" an irritated McKinney is heard saying after ending an interview with CBS 46 in which reporter Renee Starzyk repeatedly asked about the fallout from the police dust-up. "You know what? They lied to Coz and Coz is a fool."
McKinney, apparently realizing her blunder, then returned to face the camera and tell the reporter that comments about her communications director, Coz Carson, were off the record.
But the TV stationed aired the footage Saturday and the story later was picked up by CNN.
Mike Machi, Channel 46's assistant news director, said McKinney's office was aware Starzyk would ask about the fuss in the one-on-one interview.
"Congresswoman McKinney has been in Washington for a long time and she has handled the media for most of her public life," said Machi, who was unapologetic about airing the interview outtakes. "There were lots of ways to handle this and I was absolutely surprised that she handled this situation in that fashion."
McKinney, who is expected to qualify for her U.S. House race today, could not be reached Sunday for comment. But Carson, who said he began working for the congresswoman a week before the pushing incident, seemed unbothered by the public upbraiding.
"I share her frustration with the media's insatiable appetite for controversy and unimportant issues," said Carson, a former newsman who said he has known McKinney and her family for years.
Carson said he was present for Saturday's interview, which took place during a community meeting with constituents, but declined to say what led to the rebuke.
He also demurred when asked if he had spoken to McKinney about the "fool" comment.
"I'll just say I look forward to getting back to work tomorrow," he said.
Political observer Merle Black of Emory University got a chuckle out of McKinney's latest gaffe. But he said he wasn't surprised by her behavior, even in an election year.
"All of this is consistent," Black said of the way McKinney has handled the attention, including her charges that the police incident was racially motivated. "She doesn't act the way most Congress members act."

It took an Emory University political observer to make that highlighted comment?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

More from good ol' Cynthia, from tomorrow's AJC:

It took an Emory University political observer to make that highlighted comment?

Yeah, I saw that. The "she's crazy" moment in all that wasn't the comment (who hasn't been frustrated with someone and said something like that), but the coming back to the podium to tell them they were not allowed to "use" that. As if she has the power to tell them that. There was only one fool involved there, and it wasn't Coz.

[Ben E Lou]

Transcript of McKinney comments

Published on: 04/23/06This is the partial transcript of a question and answer session held Saturday in Chamblee with Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney. She regularly holds such sessions in her district. This session was taped by CBS 46 news. .
&bullQuestion: has anyone asked you about your confrontation with the Capitol police officer?
Answer: Actually you, media, are the only ones who are asking about that.
&bullQuestion: I'm sure you thought about this — potentially someone might ask you about this, outside of the media, about the confrontation — what would your response be, how do you explain it to the people of DeKalb County?
Answer: Well, actually no one has asked me other than you and so... I talk to my constituents about the things that are on their minds...
&bullQuestion: Do you think the incident will affect your chances for re-election?
Answer: You're talking about the incident I'm talking about issues.
&bullQuestion: You want to talk about issues, has the confrontation made it harder for you to focus on the issues? Has it been a distraction?
Answer: You're a distraction because that seems to be all you want to talk about — but people here understand that my representation is much larger than any discreet incident
OFF CAMERA, WITH MIKE STILL ON:
•"This is crap — they lied to Coz and Coz is a fool for believin' 'em. [Referring to aide Coz Carson]
&bullAnything that is captured by your audio while I'm not seated in this chair is off the record and is not permissible to use — is that understood?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Heck, I'm still chuckling at Coz Carson being the spokesman of a Congressperson.

Then again, him & McKinney are a pretty well made match.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My in-laws have just received a bit of a shock. They just found out because of redistricting, they are now in McKinney's district! They cut a portion of Dekalb county off her area, and gave her a large portion of Rockdale County. Needless to say, they are not amused.

Will this help or hurt her in re-election? I'm not familiar with where the redistricting happened, so I've got no real idea of the demographics there.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Will this help or hurt her in re-election? I'm not familiar with where the redistricting happened, so I've got no real idea of the demographics there.

It was a strong Republican area. It should hurt her, but you never know. Dekalb has 5 times the population of Rockdale. The Republicans did the redistricting, so you would think they wouldn't have cut the heart out a Republican base to give McKinney an easy win. The district still has that corner of Gwinnett in it as well, and it lost a part of South Dekalb.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Yup. I went for a period of being very fascinated with what Marx's true feelings were versus what "capital C" Communism was. It's something that has always been an interesting conversation for me (and maybe worth a thread of it's own), although it's been awhile so some of the facts are somewhat hazy to me... but quite clearly the three are very different, yet more often than not like you noted are used interchnageably....

FWIW, I'm not saying anyone in this thread does or does not understand the word, but clearly we have multiple people using different definitions, therefore.....

Part of the reason they are used interchangebly is that a Marxist society isn't really possible. It will inevitibly slip into communism or something close to it.

Marx was a smart guy. His only problem is that he had very little understanding of psychology. Especially the psychology of the masses.

It doesn't matter a lot to me when those terms are misused anyway. How many dems and far left wingers have called Bush a "Nazi"? How many times has Rush used the Femi-Nazi line?

The term nazi and communist are used in their truest forms only in classrooms and discussions of history majors. The terms now mean "communist=left wing" "nazi-right wing"

It's not worth getting bent out of shape about the terms at this point.

[MrBigglesworth]

Thread needs a re-title:

Grand jury refuses to indict McKinney

By BOB KEMPER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/16/06

WASHINGTON — A grand jury has declined to indict Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia for allegedly striking a Capitol police officer in March, the federal prosecutor announced Friday.

The decision ends a case against the DeKalb County Democrat that has been rife with political and racial tensions.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...ney.html?imw=Y

[st.cronin]

I meant to ask this earlier: Is McKinney the one who complained about hurricane names being racist? If not, who was that?

[Dutch]

And a rewording for the news article...

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Thread needs a re-title:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...ney.html?imw=Y

[Crapshoot]

McKinney just comes across as a dumb, offensive idiot. How people keep re-electing her I'm not sure- what's her selling point ? Then again, there are people who vote for Tom Delay, so perhaps I expect too much.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I meant to ask this earlier: Is McKinney the one who complained about hurricane names being racist? If not, who was that?

That would have been Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)
http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/hurricane.asp

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

McKinney just comes across as a dumb, offensive idiot. How people keep re-electing her I'm not sure- what's her selling point ? Then again, there are people who vote for Tom Delay, so perhaps I expect too much.

Just because you don't read about it in the elite media, Democrats are fucked up too, get over it.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Just because you don't read about it in the elite media, Democrats are fucked up too, get over it.

Wtf ? I know you aren't the brightest bulb, but I was criticizing the "Democrat" AND the "Republican" - perhaps your comprehension needs work.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

McKinney just comes across as a dumb, offensive idiot. How people keep re-electing her I'm not sure- what's her selling point ?

Have you checked out the demographics of her district?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Wtf ? I know you aren't the brightest bulb, but I was criticizing the "Democrat" AND the "Republican" - perhaps your comprehension needs work.

No thanks, my point remains. If Crapshoot wants to discuss how a Republican does something wrong, it's 5 pages about how evil the Republican party is...period. If Crapwhoot wants to discuss how a Democrat does something wrong, it's one post about how bad the Republicans are as well.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Just because you don't read about it in the elite media, Democrats are fucked up too, get over it.

'Elite media', is that the new term for the two minutes hate? It's impossible to keep up.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Have you checked out the demographics of her district?

Are you saying that black people vote for dumb, offensive idiots?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Are you saying that black people vote for dumb, offensive idiots?

In this particular case, the answer appears to be yes.

And, hot off the press, is today's story about McKinney's supporters welcoming her back to the district, complete with quotes about how the incident was really the fault of the police.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...8mckinney.html

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In this particular case, the answer appears to be yes.

From your 'look at the demographics' comment, it appears that you believe that to be the case in more than just this particular one. Is that correct, or am I mischaracterizing your view?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Are you saying that black people vote for dumb, offensive idiots?

Yup. Just as white people vote for dumb, offensive idiots.

It's great you are trying to turn this into a race issue now. You seem pretty much exactly like the women you are trying to defend here. She isn't persecuted because she is black. She's ripped because she's an idiot. And sadly there are a lot of people supporting her and her agenda.

Just as it's sad white people have elected former KKK leaders into office.

But then, I know it only works one way Biggie. White Republicans are the cause of every bit of hell on the face of the planet, while race baiting dems like this psycho are just helping people out. We get it.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by TroyF

It's great you are trying to turn this into a race issue now.

It's what MrB does. He twists and turns statements by people on the board to make it sound like the most offensive statement possible in order to keep the argument going, especially if it helps make one of the Republican / right-wing / conservative members of the board look like all the stereotypes he likes to heap on us. It's why I've stopped responding to anything he posts; it's just not worth it, and he's extremely good at word-twisting and taking things out of context.

[miked]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In this particular case, the answer appears to be yes.

And, hot off the press, is today's story about McKinney's supporters welcoming her back to the district, complete with quotes about how the incident was really the fault of the police.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...8mckinney.html

Fuck the police.

[MrBigglesworth]

TroyF, gstelmack, what did JiMG mean when he said 'check the demographics'? I asked him twice what he meant by it, and he hasn't given an indication that that is NOT what he meant. And he is obviously denigrating some group, I'm just trying to pin down which group.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Yup. Just as white people vote for dumb, offensive idiots.

It's great you are trying to turn this into a race issue now. You seem pretty much exactly like the women you are trying to defend here. She isn't persecuted because she is black. She's ripped because she's an idiot. And sadly there are a lot of people supporting her and her agenda.

Just as it's sad white people have elected former KKK leaders into office.

But then, I know it only works one way Biggie. White Republicans are the cause of every bit of hell on the face of the planet, while race baiting dems like this psycho are just helping people out. We get it.

This is completely uncalled for. I haven't attacked white republicans anywhere here. I'm not the one that brought up the race issue (that would be JiMG, at least that is my reading, and all I did was ask politely if that was really what he meant). I'm also not sure how you can say for sure that race wasn't an issue with the capitol police incident: McKinney certainly doesn't look like a typical member of Congress. (I do think it's in bad taste for her to go around saying that though)

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

It's what MrB does. He twists and turns statements by people on the board to make it sound like the most offensive statement possible in order to keep the argument going, especially if it helps make one of the Republican / right-wing / conservative members of the board look like all the stereotypes he likes to heap on us. It's why I've stopped responding to anything he posts; it's just not worth it, and he's extremely good at word-twisting and taking things out of context.

Here's my quote again:

From your 'look at the demographics' comment, it appears that you believe that to be the case in more than just this particular one. Is that correct, or am I mischaracterizing your view?

OMG! How rude! I should be suspended indefinitely! I'm unhinged attacking the poor defenseless JiMG who probably read this and went home crying because I twisted his words so bad!

Please gstelmack, the only one giving out personal attacks is you.

[GrantDawg]

I rhink JIMGA would have been better off to say "look at the history of her district." Dekalb County is probably the best arguement against democracy that exists. It has a 100+ years history of corrupt government, starting with white, racist crooks and tranforming into black, racist crooks.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Are you saying that black people vote for dumb, offensive idiots?

Is this an admission that she's a dumb and offensive idiot?

[Glengoyne]

I was going to ask JIMG if they had an option to select "idiot" as a demographic description in Georgia. They could put it under the "inbred" box.

Cause Idiots are idiots completely without regard to the color of their skin. Sort of like "Stupid is as stupid does."

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Is this an admission that she's a dumb and offensive idiot?

Well played.