2005 NFL Draft Thread - Page 6

Joe · 04-23-2005, 06:42 PM

motherfucking jets

Arles · 04-23-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

but trading up to get him? i'm not so sure he wouldn't have been there at 54.

Man, I didn't realize they traded up. This is a bad move when you look at the deal:

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Seahawks get: Carolina's second-round pick (No. 45 overall) and selected LB Lofa Tatupu.
Panthers get: Seattle's second-round (No. 54) and its two fourth-round picks (Nos. 121 and 126).

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 06:43 PM

This is for the Jet fans:

Blair Thomas

tucker rocky · 04-23-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Jets take Mike Nugent :wow: Good pick, especially since Brien sucks.

A "Wango Tango" of a pick for the Jets.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 06:45 PM

have a long, wonderful, record setting career Mr. Nugent

tucker rocky · 04-23-2005, 06:46 PM

dola,

He still would've been there in the later rounds.

General Mike · 04-23-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

dola,

He still would've been there in the later rounds.

No,he wouldn't have. They probably could have got him with their other 2nd tho, maybe.

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 06:49 PM

Bengals selected Odell Thurman

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

dola,

He still would've been there in the later rounds.

You'd be mistaken then.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 06:50 PM

The Vikes would have taken him before the Jets second pick, they wanted him pretty bad.

HomerJSimpson · 04-23-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Bengals selected Odell Thurman

So, he and Pollack going to the same team. Didn't see that coming. I wonder if that Wonderlic score did him in as a first round pick.

HomerJSimpson · 04-23-2005, 06:55 PM

And the funny thing on those picks: Pollack (DE/OLB) is like having another coach on the field, whereas Thurman (who at MLB should be a leader) is more of pure instinct player. I doubt he'll ever grow to be calling audibles on the field.

Arles · 04-23-2005, 06:56 PM

Man, I hope GB takes Crowder or Shazor.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Man, I hope GB takes Crowder or Shazor.

Charlie Fry!!!!

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 06:59 PM

dola-

Campbell then Fry in 3

edit:damn, i just had it pointed out that Campbell was taken by Wash. in round 1. I missed that one. I was, uh...busy

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I was, uh...busy

ewwwwwwww too much information!

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:06 PM

Nick Collins?!!

Brutal pick - they probably could have had him in round 3.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Nick Collins?!!

Brutal pick - they probably could have had him in round 3.

maybe, maybe not. never know. I say wait 2-3 years before you judge though.

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 07:08 PM

Finally Khalif Barnes gets selected.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 07:11 PM

I like what I read on Nick Collins, except the dumb part.....

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

maybe, maybe not. never know. I say wait 2-3 years before you judge though.

Yeah, here's what Scouts.INC has on him:

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Strengths: He has adequate-to-good height and is well-built. Has excellent top-end speed, especially for his size. Has good quickness and is fluid for his size. Has a lot of upside as a developmental prospect. He has developed into a solid open field tackler. He lacks ideal upper body strength but is well built and has some hip explosion as a tackler. Is willing to support the run.

Weaknesses: Is inexperienced at the DC position but fits better at DC in the NFL than he does at DS. Level of competition is a concern. He's unpolished and needs a lot of technique work. Footwork is poor, he doesn't take consistently sound angles and he needs to improve his ability to press WR's at the LOS. He doesn't possess great ball skills and he seems to have a difficult time finding the ball over his shoulder. Lacks ideal strength. Mental capacity is a concern; he had trouble academically and also scored poorly on the Wonderlic Test (14).

He's 6-foot, 206 and ran a 4.39 40. So, he has the tools to play corner or safety. We'll see, but that 14 wonderlick doesn't impress me much.

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:12 PM

Green Bay can take guys from Bethune-Cookman allllll day.

Joe · 04-23-2005, 07:13 PM

Collins was a great pick if you're a viking fan.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-23-2005, 07:13 PM

I agree that Collins was a terrible pick for GB. I think Jacksonville is having the best draft day of the later teams so far. I love their first two picks.

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 07:13 PM

Ravens get Dan Cody

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I like what I read on Nick Collins, except the dumb part.....

The statement that he tackles well and supports the run will be a nice change from Sharper if he does play safety.

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:16 PM

dola, Gil Brandt seems to like the pick:

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Collins played safety but can play corner, which he did last year. He's very fast with very good speed and size. He's a small-college player with big-time potential

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:18 PM

Gil Brandt is still alive?

Joe · 04-23-2005, 07:19 PM

I bet Collins played against top-notch competition too

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I bet Collins played against top-notch competition too

Hey, Delaware State is a bitch.

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I bet Collins played against top-notch competition too

As much as another safety GB drafted from round 2 and played at William and Mary did. Any idea on who that was?

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

As much as another safety GB drafted from round 2 and played at William and Mary did. Any idea on who that was?

William and Mary is a helluva a football team. I heard they made it to the Div I-AA quarters last season. Just ask wademoore.

Nah, I've got nothing. I'm still pissed that the Vikes don't have a kicker.

-Mojo Jojo- · 04-23-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

dola, Gil Brandt seems to like the pick:

The Pack has spent enough low draft picks on defensive backs (going back to Antwan Edwards and Fred Vinson) that they're due for one to actually work out.. Although Vinson didn't turn out to be entirely useless (suck on it Holmgren). I still can't believe they let McKenzie walk...

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

William and Mary is a helluva a football team. I heard they made it to the Div I-AA quarters last season. Just ask wademoore.

Nah, I've got nothing. I'm still pissed that the Vikes don't have a kicker.

Here's a hint, he's a Viking this season

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

The Pack has spent enough low draft picks on defensive backs (going back to Antwan Edwards and Fred Vinson) that they're due for one to actually work out.. Although Vinson didn't turn out to be entirely useless (suck on it Holmgren). I still can't believe they let McKenzie walk...

I agree on the odds. As to McKenzie, did you notice he isn't reporting and is threatening to hold out in New Orleans if he doesn't get more money?

I'm not all that sad to see his drama leave the team. Plus, Collins was taken with the pick GB got from New Orleans

JonInMiddleGA · 04-23-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

So, he and Pollack going to the same team. Didn't see that coming. I wonder if that Wonderlic score did him in as a first round pick.

I doubt is was the Wonderlic as much as the background investigations & the character issues.

Meanwhile, as a side note to kinda humanize the draft a little ... here in his hometown, fans gathered on the town square to watch big screen coverage of the draft and (presumably) celebrate his selection. No idea whether he was here or not, I managed to accidentally miss him being picked.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 07:36 PM

Gil Brandy is still alive. He is on NFL Radio all the time, and actually called the Packers picking Aaron Rodgers about a week ago. I thought no way we would slip that far then, guy picked it right though....

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Here's a hint, he's a Viking this season

Oh, I know the answer to your question. It seemed like a rhetorical question to me. My "I've got nothing" is in reference to my inability to keep playing the low-competition argument.

cthomer5000 · 04-23-2005, 07:40 PM

I really like both moves by the Jets. Miller was the guy I wanted, and to nab the kicker and him was brilliant.

Swaggs · 04-23-2005, 07:43 PM

Sad for me to say, but I like the Bengals draft so far.

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:45 PM

Well, I have no clue what GB is doing. The just took WR Terrance Murphy

He's a decent value and has nice numbers (6-1, 202, 4.45 40, can return), but this team was 25th in defense last season. Then again, we did have to use our 2nd TE as a WR on two games because of no depth after the top three.

-Mojo Jojo- · 04-23-2005, 07:46 PM

A wide receiver, WTF? Did these guys not watch the defense last season?

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 07:46 PM

Interesting last few picks

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22	54	Carolina (from Seattle)	Shelton, Eric	RB	6-1	246	Louisville
23	55	Buffalo	Parrish, Roscoe	WR	5-10	168	Miami (Fla.)
24	56	Denver	Williams, Darrent	CB	5-8	188	Oklahoma State
25	57	N.Y. Jets	Miller, Justin	CB	5-10	202	Clemson

Carolina picks up another RB. It'll be interesting to see Roscoe Parrish in the NFL. Jets get Miller, who in all likely hood dropped because of his arrest.

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

A wide receiver, WTF? Did these guys not watch the defense last season?

Cringer informed me that someone thinks he has got a good bubble. So..uh.. that's a plus I guess.

Logan · 04-23-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Logan Mankins? Boooooooooooo

Fuck you dude.

Cringer · 04-23-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Well, I have no clue what GB is doing. The just took WR Terrance Murphy

He's a decent value and has nice numbers (6-1, 202, 4.45 40, can return), but this team was 25th in defense last season. Then again, we did have to use our 2nd TE as a WR on two games because of no depth after the top three.

Maybe they are all being converted to defensive spots. Starting with Rodgers, he goes to DT.

Not sure what is going on, I know Thompson said his style is to choose the best player left on their board and not go for need. That explains it a little, but shit man.........

Joe · 04-23-2005, 07:50 PM

a WR? huh?

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

a WR? huh?

Listen. He's got a nice ass. The scouting report says so. Needless to say, I can't wait to see this guy on the field.
:ninja:

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 07:52 PM

Falcons take a gamble on selecting a guy who has fractured his right tibia twice.

Arles · 04-23-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Maybe they are all being converted to defensive spots. Starting with Rodgers, he goes to DT.

Not sure what is going on, I know Thompson said his style is to choose the best player left on their board and not go for need. That explains it a little, but shit man.........

Yeah, you'd have to think that each player was tops on their board as they had bigger needs. I found him on Scouts.INC and it appears he was the 12th best kick return man (27.2 Ave) in the NCAA last season as well - so this pick makes a little more sense as their return game was brutal in 05:

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Originally Posted by Scouts.INC

Strengths: Has adequate-to-good size and very good top-end speed. He has fluid hips and is very smooth as a route runner. Shows excellent COD skills and lateral movement. He will make plays in the vertical passing game because of his speed and leaping ability. Will make some spectacular catches and has adequate hands. A legitimate threat after the catch. Has very good speed and an explosive second-gear in the open field. Is dangerous after the catch. Will make defenders miss in space and accelerates out of his cuts. Will run away from most defenders in a foot race. Does not get muscled around by cornerbacks in press coverage. Has good quickness and will get off the LOS quickly. Has adequate height, is well built and strong. Works hard as a blocker and has developed good technique. Plays with leverage, gets into position and works to sustain. Is durable and tough.

Weaknesses: Is still a little bit unpolished as a route runner. Needs to improve his awareness in terms of reading defenses, setting up defenders and getting open against zone coverage. Has vertical speed and playmaking ability but lacks ideal height of a vertical receiver. Still will fight the ball a little bit when trying to pluck on the run. Would be much more dangerous if he learned to snatch on the move without bobbling or fighting the ball.

Overall: Murphy is a former high school quarterback who wasted little time making the adjustment to the wide receiver position in college. He set a school record with 35 receptions as a true freshman in 2001 and he has gotten better each season since with more experience at the position. He finished strong as a senior in 2004 with 56 receptions for 756 yards and three touchdowns despite missing one game because of injury. His reception totals aren't overly impressive because of the system he plays in at Texas A&M, but he has been extremely productive from a comparative standpoint as the team's leading receiver in each of his final three seasons. Murphy also has potential as a return specialist in the NFL, as he finished 12th in the nation with an average of 27.2 yards per kickoff return. Murphy lacks elite size, he has room to improve as an intermediate route runner and he needs to improve his consistency catching the ball on the run. However, he has explosive speed, is a very good athlete and makes things happen with the ball in his hands. Murphy has the potential to develop into a fine No. 2 receiver that can stretch things vertically in the NFL. He also has the potential to become a playmaking kickoff return specialist. In our opinion, Murphy is a good value somewhere between the second and third rounds of the 2005 draft.

04-23-2005, 06:45 PM	#255
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	have a long, wonderful, record setting career Mr. Nugent __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

04-23-2005, 06:50 PM	#260
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	The Vikes would have taken him before the Jets second pick, they wanted him pretty bad. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

04-23-2005, 06:56 PM	#263
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Man, I hope GB takes Crowder or Shazor. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

04-23-2005, 06:59 PM	#265
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	dola- Campbell then Fry in 3 edit:damn, i just had it pointed out that Campbell was taken by Wash. in round 1. I missed that one. I was, uh...busy __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! Last edited by Cringer : 04-23-2005 at 07:04 PM.

04-23-2005, 07:06 PM	#267
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Nick Collins?!! Brutal pick - they probably could have had him in round 3. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

04-23-2005, 06:42 PM	#251
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	motherfucking jets

04-23-2005, 06:43 PM	#253
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	This is for the Jet fans: Blair Thomas

04-23-2005, 06:46 PM	#256
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	dola, He still would've been there in the later rounds.

04-23-2005, 06:49 PM	#258
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Bengals selected Odell Thurman

04-23-2005, 06:55 PM	#262
HomerJSimpson College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Springfield, USA	And the funny thing on those picks: Pollack (DE/OLB) is like having another coach on the field, whereas Thurman (who at MLB should be a leader) is more of pure instinct player. I doubt he'll ever grow to be calling audibles on the field.

04-23-2005, 07:08 PM	#269
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Finally Khalif Barnes gets selected.

04-23-2005, 07:11 PM	#270
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I like what I read on Nick Collins, except the dumb part..... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

04-23-2005, 07:12 PM	#272
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Green Bay can take guys from Bethune-Cookman allllll day.

04-23-2005, 07:13 PM	#273
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Collins was a great pick if you're a viking fan.

04-23-2005, 07:13 PM	#274
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I agree that Collins was a terrible pick for GB. I think Jacksonville is having the best draft day of the later teams so far. I love their first two picks. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

04-23-2005, 07:13 PM	#275
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Ravens get Dan Cody

04-23-2005, 07:18 PM	#278
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Gil Brandt is still alive?

04-23-2005, 07:19 PM	#279
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I bet Collins played against top-notch competition too

04-23-2005, 07:36 PM	#287
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Gil Brandy is still alive. He is on NFL Radio all the time, and actually called the Packers picking Aaron Rodgers about a week ago. I thought no way we would slip that far then, guy picked it right though.... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

04-23-2005, 07:43 PM	#290
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sad for me to say, but I like the Bengals draft so far. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-23-2005, 07:45 PM	#291
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Well, I have no clue what GB is doing. The just took WR Terrance Murphy He's a decent value and has nice numbers (6-1, 202, 4.45 40, can return), but this team was 25th in defense last season. Then again, we did have to use our 2nd TE as a WR on two games because of no depth after the top three. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

04-23-2005, 07:46 PM	#292
-Mojo Jojo- High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003	A wide receiver, WTF? Did these guys not watch the defense last season?

04-23-2005, 07:50 PM	#297
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	a WR? huh?

04-23-2005, 07:52 PM	#299
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Falcons take a gamble on selecting a guy who has fractured his right tibia twice.

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