NFL WEEK 4! - Page 6

RomaGoth · 10-05-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Kind of off topic but I have been wondering this. As a Giant fan would you rather have Orton as your QB or Jay Cutler? I ask this for a reason and I will wait to respond.

Cutler

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 04:32 PM

I've been busy for a while fellas... and my Titans have dropped to 0-4 in the process...

Am I right to be worried? 0-3 in three close games is 'okay'... I can manage...
But then getting blown out the water by JAX? No offense to the Jags, but still...

RomaGoth · 10-05-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Am I right to be worried?

Yes, the Titans suck. The defense is terrible thus far, and they don't have the offense to come back from deficits. Be very worried.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Yes, the Titans suck. The defense is terrible thus far, and they don't have the offense to come back from deficits. Be very worried.

Don't scare me like that... lol

I think it's time we let Hope go, and find a new Safety. Not to mention, Thorton's solid, but not getting any younger, and Bullock is starting to become a liability in pass coverage.
Maybe Kelgar can step up into that role?

I'm a bit afraid of us going 0-6 into our bye, and VY getting the nod prematurely. I think he'll do fine, but i'd rather stick him in when we're 2-4, or 1-5, so he doesn't feel like he HAS to get that 'first win'...

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Cutler.

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Cutler

OK, just wondering. With a great running back and defense like the Giants have I wasnt sure if youd prefer the more talented yet turnover prone QB to the ball control type QB that doesnt do much other than get his other players to make plays for him. I dont know that Cutler knows how to hold back therefore I am not sure if he would be good fit for a Giant team that doesnt need a whole lot of production from the QB spot most games.

With that said I think if Cutler played on the Cardinals or Patriots he would be league MVP with his arm and their WRs.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 05:12 PM

The thing is, Cutler (at least this year) hasn't really cut loose unless he had to to get back in the lead/comeback to win.

I think he can 'manage' the game, he won't be thrilled, and he'll find a way to 'sling it around' at times just to keep his sanity.
But I think he can do it.

hoopsguy · 10-05-2009, 05:23 PM

There is no situation in football where Orton is a better choice than Cutler. None. I do not care what rankings you care to post after three weeks.

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is no situation in football where Orton is a better choice than Cutler. None. I do not care what rankings you care to post after three weeks.

The Broncos might not say the same thing at this point.

bhlloy · 10-05-2009, 05:31 PM

Also while I agree that Orton has played very well through 3 weeks, let's not forget that the TD pass to Moreno should have gone for 6 the other way. If that's anybody else other than a backup pass rushing OLB/defensive end, chances are a pick six and a different ballgame. That was not a good throw but he got away with it.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-05-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

The Broncos might not say the same thing at this point.

Looks like we've found a replacement if jas_lov ever disappears.

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Looks like we've found a replacement if jas_lov ever disappears.

Arent you a clever one! Keep up the good work

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 06:09 PM

Packers struggle stopping the run and their O line isnt playing very well. This should be a game the Vikings dominate but I highly doubt they will. On paper it looks 27-17 Vikings. In reality I can see this being a field goal game with favre hopefully pulling it out late again.

Packers dont seem to have the right personel to run this 3-4 at this time. In looking at the rushing defense stats they are getting crushed on the outside. They could be looking at a lot of #28s backside tonight.

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I am not sure if he would be good fit for a Giant team that doesnt need a whole lot of production from the QB spot most games.

this whole line of thinking is starting to irk me.

Eli is currently 7th in the league in passing, on pace for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's and Steve smith is leading the league in receiving yards and TD's.

People need to realize Eli is no longer a "game manager" and is a guy who makes plays and wins games on his own.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Packers struggle stopping the run and their O line isnt playing very well. This should be a game the Vikings dominate but I highly doubt they will. On paper it looks 27-17 Vikings. In reality I can see this being a field goal game with favre hopefully pulling it out late again.

Packers dont seem to have the right personel to run this 3-4 at this time. In looking at the rushing defense stats they are getting crushed on the outside. They could be looking at a lot of #28s backside tonight.

I agree.
The way I see it, for Rodgers, he cares/wants to win, but it's not 'that' big of a deal. For Brett, he 'has' to win. One could even say that this is why he came back.
Favre wants it more, and he'll win as a result.

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

his whole line of thinking is starting to irk me.

Eli is currently 7th in the league in passing, on pace for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's and Steve smith is leading the league in receiving yards and TD's.

People need to realize Eli is no longer a "game manager" and is a guy who makes plays and wins games on his own.

He doesnt need to win games on his own. They just pound teams into submission with their power running game. He has started out very well but Manninghams YAC has been far more impressive than Elis passing. Im not saying Eli couldnt win games on his own Im more or less saying he doesnt need to.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

his whole line of thinking is starting to irk me.

Eli is currently 7th in the league in passing, on pace for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's and Steve smith is leading the league in receiving yards and TD's.

People need to realize Eli is no longer a "game manager" and is a guy who makes plays and wins games on his own.

True, he's not a 'game manager'.
He's a franchise QB, but he hasn't established his identity/style yet.

What do I mean?
Brady has his 'mystique'. Brees will sling the hell outta ya. Peyton carves you like an xmas ham. Rivers does his B.O.B. thing. Favre is a gunslinger. Cutler is a Aikman/Favre combo.
Eli?
Nothing quite yet.

aran · 10-05-2009, 06:22 PM

Anyone know of a good MNF live stream that I can get to for free? TV is in use by other family members tonight and I'd like to watch Brett Favre get booed.

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

True, he's not a 'game manager'.
He's a franchise QB, but he hasn't established his identity/style yet.

What do I mean?
Brady has his 'mystique'. Brees will sling the hell outta ya. Peyton carves you like an xmas ham. Rivers does his B.O.B. thing. Favre is a gunslinger. Cutler is a Aikman/Favre combo.
Eli?
Nothing quite yet.

*shakes head*

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aran

Anyone know of a good MNF live stream that I can get to for free? TV is in use by other family members tonight and I'd like to watch Brett Favre get booed.

try channelsurfing.net

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by aran

Anyone know of a good MNF live stream that I can get to for free? TV is in use by other family members tonight and I'd like to watch Brett Favre get booed.

Watch Online tv sports news and entertainment for free at channelsurfing

Athough you might be disappointed as I dont see him getting booed too much in the dome tonight.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

*shakes head*

Well, what do you think his 'identity' is?

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Well, what do you think his 'identity' is?

Peytons younger brother

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Well, what do you think his 'identity' is?

who gives a fuck?

him needing an "identity" is one of the most mind numbingly, idiotic things I have ever heard. You can leave that shit to ESPN, I'll take the wins.

JS19 · 10-05-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Well, what do you think his 'identity' is?

A QB that wins games?

He's been diagnosed with plantar fasciitis. Not really sure the whole healing process involves, but if it's just rest, I wonder if they will go with Carr against the Raiders.

JS19 · 10-05-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Peytons younger brother

well played.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

who gives a fuck?

him needing an "identity" is one of the most mind numbingly, idiotic things I have ever heard. You can leave that shit to ESPN, I'll take the wins.

*sigh*

I didn't say he wasn't a franchise QB.
I was just saying that he hasn't established an identity/style.

At least read what I say before getting all riled up for nothing... sheesh.

bhlloy · 10-05-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Favre wants it more, and he'll win as a result.

Or he'll force things and throw a bunch of ill-advised picks.

To be honest if I'm the Vikings, Favre "wanting it more" might be the worst case scenario. If he plays within the game plan, takes what the defense gives him and hands the ball off a lot to Peterson this is one of the best teams in the NFL. If he gets into "I have to win this by myself mode" then watch out.

aran · 10-05-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Watch Online tv sports news and entertainment for free at channelsurfing

Athough you might be disappointed as I dont see him getting booed too much in the dome tonight.

Oops. Didn't know it was in Minnie tonight. And thanks for the link.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Or he'll force things and throw a bunch of ill-advised picks.

To be honest if I'm the Vikings, Favre "wanting it more" might be the worst case scenario. If he plays within the game plan, takes what the defense gives him and hands the ball off a lot to Peterson this is one of the best teams in the NFL. If he gets into "I have to win this by myself mode" then watch out.

True... Favre is a double agent.
But I think that he will be the deciding factor in the game. And given his penchant for great plays in big moments, I think he'll fare rather well tonight.
That being said, it's clear that Favre understands this role, as it was similar to the one he played in NY last season.

I think it'll be a last minute 'Favre-esque' drive that wins it though.

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

I didn't say he wasn't a franchise QB.
I was just saying that he hasn't established an identity/style.

I read what you said and am amazed you were able to top that moronic, drivel you were spewing about the Raiders. Well done.

NiteMaestro · 10-05-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I read what you said and am amazed you were able to top that moronic, drivel you were spewing about the Raiders. Well done.

Since you have nothing constructive to add to my comments, perhaps you'd be better served not responding to them at all, saving me the time of reading them, and you the trouble of writing them.

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Since you have nothing constructive to add to my comments, perhaps you'd be better served not responding to them at all, saving me the time of reading them, and you the trouble of writing them.

What if ESPN started calling him "the quiet assassin"?

would that lend to his credibility?

TroyF · 10-05-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is no situation in football where Orton is a better choice than Cutler. None. I do not care what rankings you care to post after three weeks.

Adding this for emphasis.

The scary thing about the Broncos? If Cutler were still here, they'd be considered Super Bowl contenders with the defense playing as good as it is.

That said, don't be fooled. Cutler hurt Denver many times last year. His red zone interceptions were unacceptable for a player of his quality. His rating in the red zone was ridiculously poor and that wasn't due to available weapons. I can see why someone would think that a game managing QB would be better than a gunslinger for the Giants, especially as they get close to the goal line.

That said, I think you can teach Cutler to be better at the goal line. I'm not convinced you can teach Orton to be better away from it. I'm still interested to see Orton with two things:

1) his top WR playing every down with purpose. (looks like it's finally happening)
2) Playing without a glove. (should happen within the next two weeks)

Arles · 10-05-2009, 07:14 PM

Should be an interesting game tonight. Let's break it down:

Pros for Minnesota:
-Better OL
-Better DL
-Better HB (best HB in the league)
-Favre is playing pretty well so far
-Playing at home

Pros for GB:
- Childress is the Minnesota head coach

All this points to a close game

Karlifornia · 10-05-2009, 07:26 PM

Favre turns an ankle on the first play and misses the entire game...pleasepleaseplease

bhlloy · 10-05-2009, 07:53 PM

Apparently Mike McCarthy hates timeouts, what a stupid-ass challenge

Sun Tzu · 10-05-2009, 08:00 PM

Taunting AGAIN? I've seen taunting called twice in the last 10 years, and they both happened in the last two weeks, both times in favor of Minnesota. What kind of a retarded call is taunting when a guy is standing at the line of scrimmage talking smack. Give me a break.

Radii · 10-05-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I've seen taunting called twice in the last 10 years

You don't watch a lot of football do you?

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 08:11 PM

This is looking like a shootout. Packers are going to pass.

terpkristin · 10-05-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

He's been diagnosed with plantar fasciitis. Not really sure the whole healing process involves, but if it's just rest, I wonder if they will go with Carr against the Raiders.

Hmm, I wonder if there's a different injury going on he's trying to protect that lead his fascia to inflame. I know when I borked up my ankle (before all my surgeries), I had changed my footstrike when running to compensate for it...which put more stress on my fascia and caused PF.

I suppose, though, if they've caught it early on and give him massage and ice and stretching, he should be back to normal soon enough, if that's all that's really going on.

/tk

Sun Tzu · 10-05-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

You don't watch a lot of football do you?

Actually I take it back, last year I saw Vernon Davis w/ that bonehead move that made Singletary send him to the Locker Room. Otherwise I can't think of another time where it happened.

3 games a week (give or take)
17 weeks
Plus playoffs
20 years

Nah...I don't watch much...just a casual fan really. I have season tickets just for shits and giggles.

smooches

mauchow · 10-05-2009, 08:20 PM

On that 3rd and 15 Favre had all the time in the world and still got rid of it quickly for a 5 yard flat route from the running back. I understand to be conservative but.....damn.

mauchow · 10-05-2009, 08:21 PM

On and Childress showing why he's the biggest moron coaching in the NFL right now. 3 and out while not giving Peterson the ball once....

sovereignstar · 10-05-2009, 08:25 PM

Challenge that, you fucking idiot!

Lathum · 10-05-2009, 08:26 PM

Incomplete for sure.

mauchow · 10-05-2009, 08:27 PM

More stupidness from Childress. Throw it too late on purpose so you look like you actually wanted to challenge it. The challenge flag should have been thrown RIGHT away on a play THAT close on fourth down.

Moot point. Vikings interception.

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 08:28 PM

Interesting Game. GB challenges on an obvious fumble and Minny doesnt challenge on an obvious drop!

sovereignstar · 10-05-2009, 08:30 PM

Man, I like the old school Vikings unis so much more than their current digs. Even when they're mixed with pink.

jbergey22 · 10-05-2009, 08:32 PM

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Man, I like the old school Vikings unis so much more than their current digs. Even when they're mixed with pink.

+1.

Arles · 10-05-2009, 08:33 PM

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Interesting Game. GB challenges on an obvious fumble and Minny doesnt challenge on an obvious drop!

That was just a ploy by McCarthy to delay after the fumble. The place was going nuts. Not great to lose the challenge, but the TO wasn't a bad move.

10-05-2009, 06:09 PM	#262
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Packers struggle stopping the run and their O line isnt playing very well. This should be a game the Vikings dominate but I highly doubt they will. On paper it looks 27-17 Vikings. In reality I can see this being a field goal game with favre hopefully pulling it out late again. Packers dont seem to have the right personel to run this 3-4 at this time. In looking at the rushing defense stats they are getting crushed on the outside. They could be looking at a lot of #28s backside tonight. Last edited by jbergey22 : 10-05-2009 at 06:16 PM.

10-05-2009, 07:14 PM	#284
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Should be an interesting game tonight. Let's break it down: Pros for Minnesota: -Better OL -Better DL -Better HB (best HB in the league) -Favre is playing pretty well so far -Playing at home Pros for GB: - Childress is the Minnesota head coach All this points to a close game __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

10-05-2009, 07:26 PM	#285
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Favre turns an ankle on the first play and misses the entire game...pleasepleaseplease __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-05-2009, 08:00 PM	#287
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Taunting AGAIN? I've seen taunting called twice in the last 10 years, and they both happened in the last two weeks, both times in favor of Minnesota. What kind of a retarded call is taunting when a guy is standing at the line of scrimmage talking smack. Give me a break. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon. Last edited by Sun Tzu : 10-05-2009 at 08:01 PM.

10-05-2009, 08:20 PM	#292
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	On that 3rd and 15 Favre had all the time in the world and still got rid of it quickly for a 5 yard flat route from the running back. I understand to be conservative but.....damn. Last edited by mauchow : 10-05-2009 at 08:20 PM.

10-05-2009, 05:23 PM	#257
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	There is no situation in football where Orton is a better choice than Cutler. None. I do not care what rankings you care to post after three weeks.

10-05-2009, 05:31 PM	#259
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Also while I agree that Orton has played very well through 3 weeks, let's not forget that the TD pass to Moreno should have gone for 6 the other way. If that's anybody else other than a backup pass rushing OLB/defensive end, chances are a pick six and a different ballgame. That was not a good throw but he got away with it.

10-05-2009, 06:22 PM	#267
aran High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA	Anyone know of a good MNF live stream that I can get to for free? TV is in use by other family members tonight and I'd like to watch Brett Favre get booed.

10-05-2009, 07:53 PM	#286
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Apparently Mike McCarthy hates timeouts, what a stupid-ass challenge

10-05-2009, 08:11 PM	#289
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	This is looking like a shootout. Packers are going to pass.

10-05-2009, 08:21 PM	#293
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	On and Childress showing why he's the biggest moron coaching in the NFL right now. 3 and out while not giving Peterson the ball once....

10-05-2009, 08:25 PM	#294
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Challenge that, you fucking idiot!

10-05-2009, 08:26 PM	#295
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Incomplete for sure.

10-05-2009, 08:27 PM	#296
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	More stupidness from Childress. Throw it too late on purpose so you look like you actually wanted to challenge it. The challenge flag should have been thrown RIGHT away on a play THAT close on fourth down. Moot point. Vikings interception.

10-05-2009, 08:28 PM	#297
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Interesting Game. GB challenges on an obvious fumble and Minny doesnt challenge on an obvious drop!

10-05-2009, 08:30 PM	#298
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Man, I like the old school Vikings unis so much more than their current digs. Even when they're mixed with pink.

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