2005 MLB Playoffs Thread - Page 6

LoneStarGirl · 10-13-2005, 10:31 PM

Oh, defensive indifference... I hate this online Gameday stuff

Cards4ever · 10-13-2005, 10:39 PM

I don't think the key to winning the series is Reggie Sanders, it's going to be if Larry Walker can start to produce. That and getting up on the Stro's early in the game.

JeeberD · 10-14-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Jeeber, how are you liking this game?

Well, I had to work and didn't get to see the game, but I was very happy when I heard the score on the radio on my way home.

WTF has gotten into Chris Burke the past three games? I think he's trying to become a Killer B with the way he's swinging the stick lately...

JeeberD · 10-14-2005, 12:05 AM

Dola-

Tavarez. Hee hee hee...

MizzouRah · 10-14-2005, 09:40 AM

It was a game of mistakes. Damn Nunez should of had Burke out at third.. the ump made the right call.. which is not always the case when the ball beats the runner.

The ump was squeezing the strikezone again tonight, that's for sure.

When Lidge comes in, I go to bed. j/k but damn he's much easier on the eyes than watching Izzy save a game.

I think Suppan is the key to the series up there in that little league park.

Huckleberry · 10-14-2005, 09:53 AM

MMP was a pitcher's park this year.

Offensive ratings went from 104 in 2002 and 2003 to 100 in 2004 to 98 this year.

Meanwhile, Busch was a hitter's park.

As for the why have the dropped 3rd strike rule, it's a matter of consistency. To record an out you must either tag a runner, tag a base on a force play, or catch the ball.

sterlingice · 10-14-2005, 11:29 AM

Yeah, geez, the strike zone has been about the size of a loaf of bread the past couple nights. It's a testament either to the pitchers skill or hitters impatience that there hasn't been a 20-walk 12-10 game.

SI

WSUCougar · 10-14-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

easier than watching Izzy save a game.

He's like a modern-day Mitch Williams sometimes. Drives me ape shit.

Bugs me (obviously) that we're not up 2-0 going to Houston, but I'm not overly worried yet. Game #3 is pivotal (also obviously).

Cards4ever · 10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

I would say Busch is a hitters park because of the hitters playing in it.

Huckleberry · 10-14-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards4ever

I would say Busch is a hitters park because of the hitters playing in it.

Those hitters play on the road. And the visitors at Busch have hitters, too.

St. Louis both scored and allowed more runs at home than on the road. That's the most basic stat relevant to being a pitcher's or hitter's park and in determining park factors. Schedules should come into play also, of course.

Houston is a different situation. Houston scored 27 more runs at home than on the road this season, but allowed 67 fewer runs at home than on the road.

Cards4ever · 10-14-2005, 01:47 PM

Hey, whatever works for you.

LoneStarGirl · 10-15-2005, 10:32 PM

So is Nunez and Sanders out of the rest of the series?

miami_fan · 10-15-2005, 11:04 PM

Three straight complete games by the Chisox.

Cards4ever · 10-16-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

So is Nunez and Sanders out of the rest of the series?

Injuries are kept very vague this time of the season, how badly they are hurt will be kept under wraps unless they are totally out of the picture. I don't know if you saw the game today, but Clemens is a perfect example, they interviewed Hickey in the dugout and he was asked about Roger's hamstring issue and he said there was no problem, but it was obvious he was feeling some kind of strain.

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 12:11 PM

Mike Lamb, huh? A new hero for the Atros every game, it seems...

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 06:35 PM

Wily!

What a grab...

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 06:59 PM

Wow...that was WAY too damn close.

Just one more win, guys...

sterlingice · 10-16-2005, 07:00 PM

Woo!

SI

Buccaneer · 10-16-2005, 07:05 PM

After all of these years, it would be nice to see the Astros in WS.

Cards4ever · 10-16-2005, 07:18 PM

Tough game to lose in so many different ways. The road is now uphill, straight uphill for the Cards.

miami_fan · 10-16-2005, 07:44 PM

Why was LaRussa tossed?

MizzouRah · 10-16-2005, 07:58 PM

Son of a B!

We needed to steal this one. That ump behind the plate tonight is an a-hole. You mean to tell me that pitch to Jimmy was called a strike? HA-HA! Then, he tossed him rather quickly.. pretty f'n lame today's refs/umps are.

Oh well, Backe pitched a great game, but Lidge was finally hit... just wish we would have gotten a run off of him and let it go into the bottom of the 9th.

C'mon Carpenter, show why you should be the Cy Young winner!!!

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Why was LaRussa tossed?

For arguing balls and strikes...and that was certainly a strike. The one to Edmonds...not so sure.

MizzouRah · 10-16-2005, 09:19 PM

The one to Edmonds, no friggin way.

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 09:21 PM

Like the announcers said, he was calling high and tight strikes all game long. Either way, Edmonds should have known better than to cuss out an ump. It's his own fault he got tossed...

MizzouRah · 10-16-2005, 09:28 PM

Re-watch that pitch, not even close. He was NOT calling that high of a strike, a high strike, yes, an extremely out of the zone high strike, no.

I'm not sure what Edmonds said, but pretty lame by the ump to throw him out in the middle of an NLCS game - especially considering the moment and looking at Edmonds, maybe he talked about the ump's ma-ma, but he didn't get all that heated and was thrown out quite quick.

Not just this game or this sport, umps and refs try to influence game WAY too much nowdays instead of letting the teams decide the outcome.

You guys won, LaRussa was pissed about the strikezone, not sure I saw why he was so angry, but I couldn't hear what he was saying. We are not hitting the ball, Backe is average at best and we should have scored more runs than 1.

Should be a good one tomorrow.

JeeberD · 10-16-2005, 09:37 PM

All I can say is Edmonds should have been walking on eggshells. Seriously, his manager had already been tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Did he think he was going to get away with it? Be a pro and just get back into the box...

The dude who replaced Edmonds scared the hell out of me, though. Most parks that would have been gone and it should have been at least a double there, but thank god for Wily's speed.

RPI-Fan · 10-16-2005, 09:40 PM

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You guys won, LaRussa was pissed about the strikezone, not sure I saw why he was so angry, but I couldn't hear what he was saying. We are not hitting the ball, Backe is average at best and we should have scored more runs than 1.

I guess it's nice to get in those potshots before you're wiped out of the playoffs by a superior Astros team. Backe is more clutch than any of your starters, and he will help guide us toward and through the World Series while you guys are sitting at home crying about "the strike that was".

hoopsguy · 10-16-2005, 09:51 PM

Five straight K's for Escobar - this guy is just nasty coming out of the pen. I don't remember him being this tough on guys as a starter.

I'm wondering if the Sox will be able to continue to pay Konerko when he hits the market after this season? Given his post season performance, I've got to believe that the price tag has been going up and up ...

Logan · 10-16-2005, 09:58 PM

Nice fuck up Escobar.

EDIT: He admitted his own guilt when he tried throwing the ball to 1st.

Rizon · 10-16-2005, 10:12 PM

Wait, did I just see Tiffany Teen in the crowd??? SWEET!

ISiddiqui · 10-16-2005, 10:40 PM

White Sox win the pennant!

GoldenEagle · 10-16-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I guess it's nice to get in those potshots before you're wiped out of the playoffs by a superior Astros team. Backe is more clutch than any of your starters, and he will help guide us toward and through the World Series while you guys are sitting at home crying about "the strike that was".

Superior? How the hell are the Astros supeior? Backe (and Suppan) was helped by a huge strike zone. The Astros may win this playoff series and they have the upper hand right now but to say that they are superior is downright ridiculous.

The Astros win some games and their fans think they are the second coming of Christ.

RPI-Fan · 10-16-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Superior? How the hell are the Astros supeior? Backe (and Suppan) was helped by a huge strike zone. The Astros may win this playoff series and they have the upper hand right now but to say that they are superior is downright ridiculous.

The Astros win some games and their fans think they are the second coming of Christ.

So now we're arguing that 3 isn't clearly better than 1?

Cards4ever · 10-16-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

All I can say is Edmonds should have been walking on eggshells. Seriously, his manager had already been tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Did he think he was going to get away with it? Be a pro and just get back into the box...

The dude who replaced Edmonds scared the hell out of me, though. Most parks that would have been gone and it should have been at least a double there, but thank god for Wily's speed.

Seriously, the umpire should have turned his back on Edmonds and let his coaches calm him down. The Umpire should be a pro too you know.

Cards4ever · 10-16-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

So now we're arguing that 3 isn't clearly better than 1?

So you are just talking about in this series then?

RPI-Fan · 10-16-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards4ever

So you are just talking about in this series then?

I'm saying the best guage of seeing which team is better (adj. of superior), is to look at how they perform head-to-head in games of unquestionable value.

Under that definition, which I think you'd have a hard time arguing isn't fair, the Astros (thus far) have been superior.

GoldenEagle · 10-16-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

So now we're arguing that 3 isn't clearly better than 1?

How about 11 and 5?

Or 100 to 89?

RPI-Fan · 10-17-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

How about 11 and 5?

Or 100 to 89?

Nice little safety net you've built for yourself here.

If the Cards win the series, you can go on talking about they beat the 'Stros straight up when it counted most.

If (when?) they lose lose, you get to go back to them being more successful in the regular season.

Seems like you can't lose out here -- well done.

Cards4ever · 10-17-2005, 12:21 AM

I'd say you are the one who has built the safety net. The Stro's are hot right now, but to throw out the head to head matchups over the season I think you are not giving any credit to the Cardinals and the record they have put up not only this season but last.

JeeberD · 10-17-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The Astros win some games and their fans think they are the second coming of Christ.

Troubles at home with the little lady?

I don't think that I would call the Astros the superior team. The Cards dominated us in the regular season and had the best record in the league. However, all that people will remember is this series.

It ain't over yet, though. I do feel really good about our chances of winning one game with Petitte, Oswalt, and Clemens pitching. I just hope we don't get overconfident and our bats die the next three games...

MizzouRah · 10-17-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I guess it's nice to get in those potshots before you're wiped out of the playoffs by a superior Astros team. Backe is more clutch than any of your starters, and he will help guide us toward and through the World Series while you guys are sitting at home crying about "the strike that was".

I guess it's nice to hear your mouth after it's now 3 games to 1?

Superior? That's laughable.. a team who was so far behind the Cardinals during the season - that THANK GOD for the Wildcard or they'd be at home.

Backe is a medicore pitcher at best, we flat out didn't hit very well and the strikezone was terrible. How about Suppan, is he Mr. Clutch?

Crying? Who was crying last year?

MizzouRah · 10-17-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I'm saying the best guage of seeing which team is better (adj. of superior), is to look at how they perform head-to-head in games of unquestionable value.

Under that definition, which I think you'd have a hard time arguing isn't fair, the Astros (thus far) have been superior.

12 games to 8 so far this year?

sterlingice · 10-17-2005, 11:42 AM

This whole "they were better in the regular season" argument flies in the face of most people's reasoning. The Braves are pretty much branded as chokers because they only won one World Series during their 14 year stretch. And the really tired "Well, they're only the Wild Card so you should roll over or stay home"- c'mon, guys, it's been around for a while. This isn't hockey or basketball where half the league makes the playoffs. And ask the Fish or Halos how much it burdens their World Series trophy. This just sounds so bitter and such sour grapes even tho the series isn't even over yet.

EDIT: Tho you are having a field day proving my "most overrated fans" case with this continuous whining. You're being horrible losers, again, for a series that isn't even decided yet.

SI

MizzouRah · 10-17-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

This whole "they were better in the regular season" argument flies in the face of most people's reasoning. The Braves are pretty much branded as chokers because they only won one World Series during their 14 year stretch. And the really tired "Well, they're only the Wild Card so you should roll over or stay home"- c'mon, guys, it's been around for a while. This isn't hockey or basketball where half the league makes the playoffs. And ask the Fish or Halos how much it burdens their World Series trophy. This just sounds so bitter and such sour grapes even tho the series isn't even over yet.

SI

No, RPI's post was sour and uncalled for. I love people who jump into a playoff discussion AFTER their team is now up 3-1. Where was he when we won the first game?

I'm just saying, the Astros can thank the wildcard - MEANING, don't go off sounding like your team is the "superior" team now that they've won 3 out of 4 games.

WSUCougar · 10-17-2005, 11:53 AM

Most of you guys are talking like asshats. The Cardinals have had a strong season but have done it with a patchwork lineup due to injuries. The injuries have continued through the playoffs, with Sanders, Walker, and Nunez wounded and Rolen and one of our key relievers out. Who we have left have hit poorly, except mainly for Pujols.

The Astros are grooving and have pitched well. Are they better right now? Probably. If we were healthier it'd be a different story. Are they "superior?" I don't think so.

WSUCougar · 10-17-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

EDIT: Tho you are having a field day proving my "most overrated fans" case with this continuous whining. You're being horrible losers, again, for a series that isn't even decided yet.

Where'd this come from?

MizzouRah · 10-17-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Where'd this come from?

He lives in Kansas City.

sterlingice · 10-17-2005, 12:19 PM

Yeah, whether it's being here that brings out the worst in you guys or just that you're like that in general- you're the fans that people like to see the least here with the possible exception of Yankees fans. Cards fans are just a bunch of giant asshats here.

SI

Cards4ever · 10-17-2005, 12:50 PM

Hilarious! Of course we are the "most overrated fans" according to a Astros/Royals fan!

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10-14-2005, 12:05 AM	#254
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10-14-2005, 09:53 AM	#256
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	MMP was a pitcher's park this year. Offensive ratings went from 104 in 2002 and 2003 to 100 in 2004 to 98 this year. Meanwhile, Busch was a hitter's park. As for the why have the dropped 3rd strike rule, it's a matter of consistency. To record an out you must either tag a runner, tag a base on a force play, or catch the ball. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

10-14-2005, 11:29 AM	#257
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, geez, the strike zone has been about the size of a loaf of bread the past couple nights. It's a testament either to the pitchers skill or hitters impatience that there hasn't been a 20-walk 12-10 game. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM	#259
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	I would say Busch is a hitters park because of the hitters playing in it. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

10-13-2005, 10:31 PM	#251
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Oh, defensive indifference... I hate this online Gameday stuff

10-14-2005, 09:40 AM	#255
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	It was a game of mistakes. Damn Nunez should of had Burke out at third.. the ump made the right call.. which is not always the case when the ball beats the runner. The ump was squeezing the strikezone again tonight, that's for sure. When Lidge comes in, I go to bed. j/k but damn he's much easier on the eyes than watching Izzy save a game. I think Suppan is the key to the series up there in that little league park.

10-14-2005, 01:47 PM	#261
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Hey, whatever works for you. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

10-15-2005, 10:32 PM	#262
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	So is Nunez and Sanders out of the rest of the series?

10-15-2005, 11:04 PM	#263
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Three straight complete games by the Chisox.

10-16-2005, 12:11 PM	#265
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Mike Lamb, huh? A new hero for the Atros every game, it seems... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-16-2005, 06:35 PM	#266
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Wily! What a grab... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-16-2005, 06:59 PM	#267
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Wow...that was WAY too damn close. Just one more win, guys... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-16-2005, 07:00 PM	#268
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Woo! SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-16-2005, 07:05 PM	#269
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	After all of these years, it would be nice to see the Astros in WS.

10-16-2005, 07:18 PM	#270
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Tough game to lose in so many different ways. The road is now uphill, straight uphill for the Cards. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

10-16-2005, 07:44 PM	#271
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Why was LaRussa tossed?

10-16-2005, 07:58 PM	#272
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Son of a B! We needed to steal this one. That ump behind the plate tonight is an a-hole. You mean to tell me that pitch to Jimmy was called a strike? HA-HA! Then, he tossed him rather quickly.. pretty f'n lame today's refs/umps are. Oh well, Backe pitched a great game, but Lidge was finally hit... just wish we would have gotten a run off of him and let it go into the bottom of the 9th. C'mon Carpenter, show why you should be the Cy Young winner!!!

10-16-2005, 09:19 PM	#274
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	The one to Edmonds, no friggin way.

10-16-2005, 09:21 PM	#275
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Like the announcers said, he was calling high and tight strikes all game long. Either way, Edmonds should have known better than to cuss out an ump. It's his own fault he got tossed... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-16-2005, 09:28 PM	#276
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Re-watch that pitch, not even close. He was NOT calling that high of a strike, a high strike, yes, an extremely out of the zone high strike, no. I'm not sure what Edmonds said, but pretty lame by the ump to throw him out in the middle of an NLCS game - especially considering the moment and looking at Edmonds, maybe he talked about the ump's ma-ma, but he didn't get all that heated and was thrown out quite quick. Not just this game or this sport, umps and refs try to influence game WAY too much nowdays instead of letting the teams decide the outcome. You guys won, LaRussa was pissed about the strikezone, not sure I saw why he was so angry, but I couldn't hear what he was saying. We are not hitting the ball, Backe is average at best and we should have scored more runs than 1. Should be a good one tomorrow.

10-16-2005, 09:37 PM	#277
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	All I can say is Edmonds should have been walking on eggshells. Seriously, his manager had already been tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Did he think he was going to get away with it? Be a pro and just get back into the box... The dude who replaced Edmonds scared the hell out of me, though. Most parks that would have been gone and it should have been at least a double there, but thank god for Wily's speed. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-16-2005, 09:51 PM	#279
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Five straight K's for Escobar - this guy is just nasty coming out of the pen. I don't remember him being this tough on guys as a starter. I'm wondering if the Sox will be able to continue to pay Konerko when he hits the market after this season? Given his post season performance, I've got to believe that the price tag has been going up and up ...

10-16-2005, 09:58 PM	#280
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Nice fuck up Escobar. EDIT: He admitted his own guilt when he tried throwing the ball to 1st. Last edited by Logan : 10-16-2005 at 09:58 PM.

10-16-2005, 10:40 PM	#282
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	White Sox win the pennant! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

10-17-2005, 12:21 AM	#290
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	I'd say you are the one who has built the safety net. The Stro's are hot right now, but to throw out the head to head matchups over the season I think you are not giving any credit to the Cardinals and the record they have put up not only this season but last. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

10-17-2005, 11:42 AM	#294
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	This whole "they were better in the regular season" argument flies in the face of most people's reasoning. The Braves are pretty much branded as chokers because they only won one World Series during their 14 year stretch. And the really tired "Well, they're only the Wild Card so you should roll over or stay home"- c'mon, guys, it's been around for a while. This isn't hockey or basketball where half the league makes the playoffs. And ask the Fish or Halos how much it burdens their World Series trophy. This just sounds so bitter and such sour grapes even tho the series isn't even over yet. EDIT: Tho you are having a field day proving my "most overrated fans" case with this continuous whining. You're being horrible losers, again, for a series that isn't even decided yet. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 10-17-2005 at 11:45 AM.

10-17-2005, 11:53 AM	#296
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Most of you guys are talking like asshats. The Cardinals have had a strong season but have done it with a patchwork lineup due to injuries. The injuries have continued through the playoffs, with Sanders, Walker, and Nunez wounded and Rolen and one of our key relievers out. Who we have left have hit poorly, except mainly for Pujols. The Astros are grooving and have pitched well. Are they better right now? Probably. If we were healthier it'd be a different story. Are they "superior?" I don't think so. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

10-17-2005, 12:19 PM	#299
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, whether it's being here that brings out the worst in you guys or just that you're like that in general- you're the fans that people like to see the least here with the possible exception of Yankees fans. Cards fans are just a bunch of giant asshats here. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-17-2005, 12:50 PM	#300
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Hilarious! Of course we are the "most overrated fans" according to a Astros/Royals fan! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

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