FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - Best Athletes in History

[Karlifornia]

I'm really waiting to see if one player gets picked at all.

[Sublime 2]

I've been waiting for someone to go too....I'm sure they will but it'll be interesting.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

I'm really waiting to see if one player gets picked at all.

Richard Simmons - Wildcard

[Karlifornia]

lol Schmidty.


Seriously, though..I just thought of another athlete that may or may not go, but could also have gone in the first round

[Raiders Army]

I'm waiting on Herd right now. I've got my two picks ready.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

With the 9th pick in the fourth round, Team Taz selects

Roger Clemens, baseball

GREAT pick that late in the 4th... though there is one baseball player that I'm SHOCKED no one has picked yet.

And how in the world did Nolan Ryan get picked ahead of Ted Williams?!

[oykib]

Clemens and White are great picks.

But what's up with the speed of picks?

[Raiders Army]

I have three guys in mind right now. Unfortunately I'm pretty tired at this point and I'm going to bed soon. I'll be up bright and early if Herd makes his pick tonight sometime.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

That's what I ment when I said Lance Armstrong is clearly not the best ever.
There are a few more who can be claimed to be better all-time than Armstrong, but it's widely unaccepted to even question whether Eddy Merckx was the best ever.

I hope I didn't trigger that one though.

nope. well not really. more like the pick of armstrong made me go "Hmmm isn't there someone who's a better biker than Armstong?" And so I googled it cuz I couldn't remember his name.

[ThunderingHERD]

Ok, with the 11th pick of the 4th round, I'll take:
Stan Musial
giving me the two greatest hitters of all time not named Babe Ruth.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by vexroid

Yeah, you're right.

Lifetime .325 average, .978 fielding %, 3 time MVP, 13 time allstar, hit 361 HRs while only striking out 369 times in his career.

Oh, yeah, some 56 game hitting streak.

Overrated?

Hardly.

He was a great player who deserves no mention when talking about the greatest players ever. The hitting streak (even if it weren't illegitimately extended by generous scorers) is the quintessential meaningless vanity record--fitting that it's held by the quintessential overrated vanity player.

edit: also, 2 of his MVPs were complete jokes:

41 Dimaggio	.357	.440	30hr	1.083
41 Williams	.406	.553	37hr	1.287

47 Dimaggio	.315	.391	20hr	.913
47 Williams	.343	.499	32hr	1.113

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Ok, with the 11th pick of the 4th round, I'll take:
Stan Musial
giving me the two greatest hitters of all time not named Babe Ruth.

Ty Cobb is better than both IMO. Especially considering the fact that he played in the dead-ball era.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ty Cobb is better than both IMO. Especially considering the fact that he played in the dead-ball era.

You're missing one crucial point: Ty Cobb is not on my team.

edit: but I certainly wouldn't say Cobb was better than Williams.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

edit: but I certainly wouldn't say Cobb was better than Williams.

I have to be honest - I debated that for like a half an hour. I decided on Cobb because of his abilities, lifetime average, and his longevity. I also feel he would have been the best player ever if he had played in the past 50 years....if he hadn't been banned for being a racist turd.

The case can be made for both though. I definitely would take both over Ruth.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ty Cobb is better than both IMO. Especially considering the fact that he played in the dead-ball era.

Ty Cobb's not the only one...

There are a few guys that were better hitters than Musial still on the board.

[DaddyTorgo]

i have deliberately held off on baseball so far, because I feel that there are more "great" baseball players out there than in any other sport, with football a close second. musial isn't a bad pick, but it's too early for him IMO.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by oykib

Ty Cobb's not the only one...

There are a few guys that were better hitters than Musial dtill on the board.

There's one guy that's a better hitter--I believe he was being discussed without being discussed earlier. There's another guy out there that's a bigger name, and probably a better pick, but I would disagree that he was a better hitter.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i have deliberately held off on baseball so far, because I feel that there are more "great" baseball players out there than in any other sport, with football a close second. musial isn't a bad pick, but it's too early for him IMO.

I agree, but I couldn't turn down Cobb. He should be good for some votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I agree, but I couldn't turn down Cobb. He should be good for some votes.

i'd agree. he was one of the top 2/3 baseball guys I had my eye on. Fortunately the other two are both still out there.

[Karlifornia]

Two of the most controversial athletes of all time are still on the board. Both are in the same sport, and both have statistics that would put them 1st-5th all time in their sport. However, I understand the hesitation that comes with picking them, as you would possibly lose some votes by picking them.

[Raiders Army]

4.12: Pete Sampras-Other

Arguably the best tennis player ever. 286 weeks at #1. 6 time ATP player of the year. 64 singles titles. 14 Grand Slam titles.

5.1: Ronnie Lott-Football

The most feared defensive player in the secondary. Ballhawk. Four Superbowls. 10 time Pro Bowler.


I was going to wait on Sampras since it seemed as if others had already picked their "Other" category, but didn't want the few left picking him. I would've gone for LT, but since he was taken, I took Lott instead.

[kcchief19]

Sampras is a very nice pick. I would certainly argue that he is the best tennis player ever. Others have had better runs over short periods of time, but I don't think any male tennis player had the sustained excellence that Sampras had.

[Raiders Army]

Thanks. Since it's another 23 picks until I pick again I had to get him now.

Sort of same thing with Lott. I really wanted LT and thought about picking him instead of Nolan Ryan, but decided to wait. When LT came off the board, I didn't want Lott to come off either.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

He was a great player who deserves no mention when talking about the greatest players ever. The hitting streak (even if it weren't illegitimately extended by generous scorers) is the quintessential meaningless vanity record--fitting that it's held by the quintessential overrated vanity player.

edit: also, 2 of his MVPs were complete jokes:

  41 Dimaggio	.357	.440	30hr	1.083
  41 Williams	.406	.553	37hr	1.287
  
  47 Dimaggio	.315	.391	20hr	.913
  47 Williams	.343	.499	32hr	1.113

You left out one bit of critical information.



41 NewYorkY NYY 101 53 .656 --
41 BostonRS BOS 84 70 .545 17.0

41 NewYorkY NYY 97 57 .630 --
41 Detroit DET 85 69 .552 12.0
41 BostonRS BOS 83 71 .539 14.0

I'll agree that Ted Williams was the superior hitter. I love Ted Williams. Personally I like him better than DiMaggio. But Joltin' Joe was the heart and soul of the Yankees while they won year in and year out and Williams never got a ring. That wins you MVP Awards and makes you beloved. It's hard to argue that DiMaggio wasn't a great player because all he did was win.

[MIJB#19]

Sampras' only downer has been his inability to win matches on the claycourts of Roland Garros. Although, compared to the rest of the tennis players in his era, only few others were able to win on all surfaces, let alone win a lot on all surfaces. Good value pick at 4.12/5.01 though, concidering other non-big4 sports greats went in the first and second round.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Two of the most controversial athletes of all time are still on the board. Both are in the same sport, and both have statistics that would put them 1st-5th all time in their sport. However, I understand the hesitation that comes with picking them, as you would possibly lose some votes by picking them.

If who you're thinking of is who I'm thinking of, I agree with what you're thinking.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

If who you're thinking of is who I'm thinking of, I agree with what you're thinking.

But it's hard to argue with taking him in the sixth or seventh round, which is where he'll likely go.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

You left out one bit of critical information.



41 NewYorkY NYY 101 53 .656 --
41 BostonRS BOS 84 70 .545 17.0

41 NewYorkY NYY 97 57 .630 --
41 Detroit DET 85 69 .552 12.0
41 BostonRS BOS 83 71 .539 14.0

I'll agree that Ted Williams was the superior hitter. I love Ted Williams. Personally I like him better than DiMaggio. But Joltin' Joe was the heart and soul of the Yankees while they won year in and year out and Williams never got a ring. That wins you MVP Awards and makes you beloved. It's hard to argue that DiMaggio wasn't a great player because all he did was win.

Well, there's another critical bit of info that was left out. DiMaggio was a gold glove centerfielder. One of the greats as a matter of fact. Williams was a significantly superior hitter. But Joltin' Joe was the greater all-around athlete. He was a classic five-tool player.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by oykib

Ty Cobb's not the only one...

There are a few guys that were better hitters than Musial still on the board.

Yeah, the guy I'm shocked hasn't been picked yet is one of them. And here's the kicker... he's not "controversial". At least not in the way I'm thinking people are saying "controversial" in baseball terms.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by oykib

But it's hard to argue with taking him in the sixth or seventh round, which is where he'll likely go.

I don't think I would take him unless the good heavily outweighs the bad, but somebody will probably take him.

[General Mike]

grumble grumble grumble

[oykib]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yeah, the guy I'm shocked hasn't been picked yet is one of them. And here's the kicker... he's not "controversial". At least not in the way I'm thinking people are saying "controversial" in baseball terms.

There are actually a few of those guys.

The most valuable baseball card there is of one of the guys still left. That's probably the guy you mean. But there are others.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by oykib

There are actually a few of those guys.

The most valuable baseball card there is of one of the guys still left. That's probably the guy you mean. But there are others.

No, it's not that guy... but he's a good one as well. I want to see how far he drops and then laugh at the losers who didn't take him .

[oykib]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

No, it's not that guy... but he's a good one as well. I want to see how far he drops and then laugh at the losers who didn't take him .

I think a good game would be to try to put together a team of undrafted guys and see where they would place with these teams. The way it's going, I think I could probably come up with a middle of the pack team of undrafted guys.

[Schmidty]

Careful with your hints guys. If they're obvious to me (which they), then I think these can definitely figure it out.

[ISiddiqui]

I didn't drop any hints .

[General Mike]

you people need to shut your mouths before I take my belt off.

[ISiddiqui]

But then your pants will fall down.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

But then your pants will fall down.

Is that some sort of hint about drafting David Cone?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Is that some sort of hint about drafting David Cone?

I thought I was hinting at John Kruk .

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Is that some sort of hint about drafting David Cone?

Yes. Where is ThunderingHERD?

[TazFTW]

He posted in the drunk guy thread.

I'm guessing hangover land.

[Raiders Army]

So....

[DaddyTorgo]

rarrrr....make your picks people. dammit!

[oykib]

Speculation will run wild until people start making picks.

I think Brandi Chastain's sports bra is going to be the next pick.

[vex]

Jeez, being away all evening I was sure people would be waiting on me...

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm starting to get bored between picks.

[Maple Leafs]

How about we all relieve the boredom by submitting some advance picks to Schmidty so that this doesn't happen again?

[DaddyTorgo]

i find it virtually impossible to do advance picks though. because you never know who someone else is going to pick. If I was to list everyone that I might pick, the list would likely start with some people who would be gone by the time it got back around to me too.

[Maple Leafs]

True, but it can't hurt. Now that we're out of the early rounds you'll be surprised how little overlap there is. If everyone just sent a top three, I bet we could start moving pretty quickly.