College Football Week 10 Thread

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I don't know what to make of Ryan... he can look horrible for most of the game and then look amazing at the end of it. It's strange.

Want to edit that?

[sterlingice]

So, uh, LSU or Oregon for #2?

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oops

You don't often see a defender running with the Heisman Trophy like that.
He won't get to keep it, but he sure had it in his hands right there.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I don't know what to make of Ryan... he can look horrible for most of the game and then look amazing at the end of it. It's strange.

Now THAT'S how you jinx a guy.

[Atocep]

Now the ridiculous Matt Ryan heisman talk is done.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

So, uh, LSU or Oregon for #2?

SI

Neither, Kansas.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Neither, Kansas.

If Kansas wins out (including a win over Oklahoma in the title game), are they in the BCS title game?

[DaddyTorgo]

bad matty!! no #2 ranking! no bcs bowl! no heisman!!

oh and it wasn't "ridiculous matt ryan heisman talk" atocep. kid's still going to be the #1 or at worst #2 QB drafted next year.

[k0ruptr]

so.. Hawaii, Kansas, Ohio St. undefeated.

[k0ruptr]

Dola, I'd love to see Ohio St. and Kansas play for the BCS championship as 2 undefeateds

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

If Kansas wins out (including a win over Oklahoma in the title game), are they in the BCS title game?

Well, I have no idea what the BCS will do in that scenario. But I tend to think if Kansas and Ohio State win out, then it should be Kansas vs. Ohio State.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

bad matty!! no #2 ranking! no bcs bowl! no heisman!!

oh and it wasn't "ridiculous matt ryan heisman talk" atocep. kid's still going to be the #1 or at worst #2 QB drafted next year.

Draft position doesn't mean anything.

Going into last week he was the 16th in passing effiency. Going into this week he was 54th. He has 2 games where he completed less than 50% of his passes. As a guy that doesn't bring anything other than his arm to the table, thats not good.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, I have no idea what the BCS will do in that scenario. But I tend to think if Kansas and Ohio State win out, then it should be Kansas vs. Ohio State.

I agree, but I was wondering what the BCS would do. Right now, they'll move up at least two spots with BC and Arizona State falling.

[Young Drachma]

I'm just glad it's over because I'm tired of hearing the media's love-in about how great it is to be a Boston sports fan right now. What's funnier is, the fact that the Bruins have to be smarting that they've never part of that talk.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I agree, but I was wondering what the BCS would do. Right now, they'll move up at least two spots with BC and Arizona State falling.

My guess is if LSU wins out it'll be LSU vs. Ohio State (if Ohio State wins out) or Kansas (if Kansas wins out).

If there are a bunch of 1 loss teams to choose from, then it will be LSU vs. Oregon (if Oregon wins out), or the Big Twelve champion (if that's somebody with one loss).

If all those teams lose another game or two, then it will be Notre Dame vs. Florida.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

If all those teams lose another game or two, then it will be Notre Dame vs. Florida.

Navy fans will be pissed.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Now THAT'S how you jinx a guy.

Yay!! Go Oregon!

[rowech]

This week's voting is very important. You have to say OSU is #1. Nobody else should be getting any votes at this point. After that, people better seriously consider who the #2 team is out of LSU, Oregon, Oklahoma and Kansas because at this point, I would think that team would have their way to the title in their own hands. For what it's worth, here's mine:

1. OSU
2. Oregon
3. LSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas

Even if Oregon jumps to #2 (which I don't think they will) it would be really interesting to see if one of those other teams would leapfrog them at the end of the season because of the conference title game.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by rowech

This week's voting is very important. You have to say OSU is #1. Nobody else should be getting any votes at this point. After that, people better seriously consider who the #2 team is out of LSU, Oregon, Oklahoma and Kansas because at this point, I would think that team would have their way to the title in their own hands. For what it's worth, here's mine:

1. OSU
2. Oregon
3. LSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas

Even if Oregon jumps to #2 (which I don't think they will) it would be really interesting to see if one of those other teams would leapfrog them at the end of the season because of the conference title game.

The Big 12 title game could be huge, if both teams win out.

[st.cronin]

How can Kansas not be #2, is my question?

[rowech]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

How can Kansas not be #2, is my question?

Because it's football and not basketball.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by rowech

Because it's football and not basketball.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

How can Kansas not be #2, is my question?

Have you seen their schedule?

Not to take anything away, because being undefeated this late (especially this season) is a hell of an accomplishment. However, we won't find out how good Kansas is until their last regular season game.

LSU, Oregon, and Oklahoma have played better teams. LSU lost in OT to Kentucky, Oregon lost by 7 to Cal, and Oklahomo lost by 3 to Colorado. None of those losses are particularly embarassing.

If you to ask me who I thought the best teams in the country are right now, I'd have Kansas around #5, but willing to move them up above the others if they can get past Missouri and Oklahoma.

[Tigercat]

How come we can never decide what college football polls should reflect: best team or best season?

I can understand why fans would call Oregon their #2 team and think, as I think this second, that they are the second best team in the nation. But have they had the best or second best season thus far? I have always thought thats what the polls and the computers should rank. BCS should and hopefully will have LSU at #2.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

How come we can never decide what college football polls should reflect: best team or best season?

I can understand why fans would call Oregon their #2 team and think, as I think this second, that they are the second best team in the nation. But have they had the best or second best season thus far? I have always thought thats what the polls and the computers should rank. BCS should and hopefully will have LSU at #2.

Actually, I can see an argument for having even the "second best season" for Oregon so far. Only 3 games they've played this year have the opponent been within 2 TDs of them. One was the loss to Cal, which was one foot away from being tied at the end of the game. One was the TD victory over USC and the other was the 12 point win over ASU.

LSU has played a lot of good teams, but they just haven't looked all that impressive to me in the last few weeks, having to come from behind, in games they could have easily lost. I mean LSU could easily have had 3 losses by now (make that 4... forgot about the Florida game).

I never got the impression that Oregon was even close to that much trouble against USC or ASU, even though the score was relatively close against USC.

IMO, that means that Oregon has had a more impressive season than LSU.

edit: Interestingly enough, the BCS computers had Arizona State tied for #2 with Ohio State (Boston College was #1). LSU was #4 while Oregon was #6... though beating the #2 computer ranked team will probably help Oregon a lot in the computers.

[RedKingGold]

Not only that, but that win over Michigan looks a lot more impressive now than it did in Week 2

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

The Big 12 title game could be huge, if both teams win out.

Kansas has to get by Missouri first.

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

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LSU has played a lot of good teams, but they just haven't looked all that impressive to me in the last few weeks, having to come from behind, in games they could have easily lost. I mean LSU could easily have had 3 losses by now (make that 4... forgot about the Florida game).

I never got the impression that Oregon was even close to that much trouble against USC or ASU, even though the score was relatively close against USC.
]

See, maybe its just me and the way I think about things, but these two statements scream that Oregon is be the best team; not necessarily the team that has accomplished the most.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

See, maybe its just me and the way I think about things, but these two statements scream that Oregon is be the best team; not necessarily the team that has accomplished the most.

Well, at least according to Sagarin's SOS (before this week's games), LSU had the 16th toughest schedule and Oregon had the 20th. So I'm not sure that even asking which team "accomplished the most", Oregon was all that far from LSU in the discussion (if they weren't equal in that respect).

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by Atocep

and Oklahomo lost by 3 to Colorado.

His true feelings come out!

[MJ4H]

No one even mentioned Darren McFadden's 323 yards rushing tonight? SEC Record.

[k0ruptr]

I was more impressed with his 23 yard td pass.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Did you hear me talking about how much I was loving it when we beat the tar out of them?

Anywho, you know I love both you guys.

Originally Posted by RendeR

Dear god I hate Mishitgan

Originally Posted by RendeR

Spartans make Schmidty sad.

Originally Posted by RendeR

Spartans make RendeR Sad Too.

Hi!

Hail to the victors, boys!!!

[larrymcg421]

So yeah Kirby Freeman: 1-14 for 84 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT

How did FSU let this guy beat them?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I hate you Karl Dorrell. You are a shitty coach

You see, why the passion at this point? I am actually positive, feeling he is now all but certain to be fired. Guerrero gets one more chance to get this right. The first time, he had to concentrate on basketball and skimp on football. He got Howland and Dorrell. So he's one-for-two. Now Dorrell has raised the contract standards at UCLA, and I can only hope Guerrero will fill that contract with an appropriate level coach.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

See, maybe its just me and the way I think about things, but these two statements scream that Oregon is be the best team; not necessarily the team that has accomplished the most.

The statements you quoted scream to me that Oregon is a better team AND having a better season than LSU.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

No one even mentioned Darren McFadden's 323 yards rushing tonight? SEC Record.

Err, I don't really care about college football, but 323 sounded like cartoon numbers - and lo and behold, he actually did it. At some point, wouldn't you just put 9 men in the damn box?

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Wells with his second long TD run of the 2nd half to give Ohio State the lead, 24-17.

Great game by Beanie, he's been sick the last several days - which is why he got limited action in the 1st half. And he has been battling a badly sprained ankle since the Washington game.

I'm beginning to think he should get some Heisman talk, the last three weeks he's been one of the elite running backs. His numbers for the season aren't too far off of Ray Rice and Mike Hart.

C. Wells - 195 car, 1165 yds, 10 TDs
R. Rice - 255 car, 1257 yds, 14 TDs
M. Hart - 215 car, 1188 yds, 12 TDs

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Hi!

Hail to the victors, boys!!!

Appalachian State.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Balldog

Great game by Beanie, he's been sick the last several days - which is why he got limited action in the 1st half. And he has been battling a badly sprained ankle since the Washington game.

I'm beginning to think he should get some Heisman talk, the last three weeks he's been one of the elite running backs. His numbers for the season aren't too far off of Ray Rice and Mike Hart.

C. Wells - 195 car, 1165 yds, 10 TDs
R. Rice - 255 car, 1257 yds, 14 TDs
M. Hart - 215 car, 1188 yds, 12 TDs

Based on those number he oughtta be way ahead of those two in consideration for heisman talk. His YPR is far better than Rice and a bit better than Hart. And as you said, he's missed large chunks of game time with the ankle *and ran on it when he was in those games*

Wells should be considered well ahead of those two right now. Expecially if you take in their teams' performances as a deciding factor as well.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Err, I don't really care about college football, but 323 sounded like cartoon numbers - and lo and behold, he actually did it. At some point, wouldn't you just put 9 men in the damn box?

I didn't see the whole game but I'm betting they did.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Err, I don't really care about college football, but 323 sounded like cartoon numbers - and lo and behold, he actually did it. At some point, wouldn't you just put 9 men in the damn box?

Add to the cartoony numbers that he only had 1 TD???? Then the week before he had 60 yds and 3 TDs.

[sooner333]

Until this week, Oklahoma had the best win in the top 10. Still could turn out that way if Mizzou gets above BC and ASU. However, they have the worst loss of the top 10 teams as well. It seems that all that gets mention is the bad loss, but they do have the best win as well.

Kansas' schedule will take care of itself. They will finish the season with their two hardest games, by far, against two top-ten teams. If they get through that gauntlet, I'm confident they will jump some one-loss teams to get in the championship game. They haven't done enough to deserve a top-2 ranking now, but they will by the end of the season.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Hi!

Hail to the victors, boys!!!

How did I get included in that?

[Huckleberry]

The only thing less likely than Kansas winning out through the conference championship is Kansas getting left out of the title game if they win out through the conference championship.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

bad matty!! no #2 ranking! no bcs bowl! no heisman!!

oh and it wasn't "ridiculous matt ryan heisman talk" atocep. kid's still going to be the #1 or at worst #2 QB drafted next year.

They won't be in the championship game, but no BCS bowl? All they have to do to get there is to win in Jacksonville in the ACC championship game. Wake is still 2 losses behind them in the Atlantic. (I hate Virginia)

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

They won't be in the championship game, but no BCS bowl? All they have to do to get there is to win in Jacksonville in the ACC championship game. Wake is still 2 losses behind them in the Atlantic. (I hate Virginia)

Clemson is 1 loss behind and BC comes to Death Valley....



Oh and theey have the #1 ranked pass D in the country

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Atocep

1.) the buyout would be ridiculous

2.) everything I've heard says ND officials had pretty much written this year off.

Considering how the next 2 recruiting classes are shaping up, it'd be stupid for ND to change coaches again and start over.

[just to stir the pot]
#3 He is white silly...

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Kansas has to get by Missouri first.

Hell, we have to get past Okie State in Stillwater next week first.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

How come we can never decide what college football polls should reflect: best team or best season?

I can understand why fans would call Oregon their #2 team and think, as I think this second, that they are the second best team in the nation. But have they had the best or second best season thus far? I have always thought thats what the polls and the computers should rank. BCS should and hopefully will have LSU at #2.

That's the thing, it's purposely vague, kindof like MVP or Heisman voting. If there were actual subjective criteria, we probably wouldn't be having as much discussion. However, I imagine voters fall into one of three camps: "best team", "best season", and then a conglomeration of both with it being 50/50 or 75/25 because I've heard quite a few AP voters talk and they've said as much.

SI