New Fall TV schedule 2011

[cubboyroy1826]

I agree Poppy is okay in my book.

[Doug5984]

Originally Posted by stevew

What the fuck is this "Harvest" bullshit on the History channel. I gather they are running out of manly occupations to televise?

That looks pretty horrible- how do these shows ever get someone to think its a good idea?

[Easy Mac]

Sorry Charlie.

‘Charlie’s Angels’ Canceled By ABC, Production Stopped, Reports Are That Episodes Produced Will Air - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers

[Thomkal]

Just a reminder that Once Upon a Time starts tonight on ABC at eight Eastern. Looks like a potentially interesting show-crossover from "fairy tale world" to our world.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Doug5984

That looks pretty horrible- how do these shows ever get someone to think its a good idea?

Eh, a 0.5 rating put the premiere solidly in the middle of the Thursday night pack. Lower than the network average for the night in both total viewers & A18-49, but it beat everything on Food Network (just for example), beat quite a few "name" shows including Colbert, Daily Show, House Hunters, Millionaire Matchmake, and Conan. And was just 0.1 worse thanThursday Night Football on ESPN with A18-49, (which one you think has a better ROI?)

It's not great, but in terms of delivery it wasn't really all that bad.

[lungs]

Maybe I should invite the History Channel to follow me around......

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by lungs

Maybe I should invite the History Channel to follow me around......

Or at least invite Mike Rowe for a visit

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Just a reminder that Once Upon a Time starts tonight on ABC at eight Eastern. Looks like a potentially interesting show-crossover from "fairy tale world" to our world.

It's on my wife's list for this season so I'll check it out, too

SI

[larrymcg421]

Chart: 'American Idol,' NFL Duke it out for Priciest TV Spot | MediaWorks - Advertising Age

Here's a pretty interesting rundown of estimated ad rates that primetime shows are charging, which bears out the importance of the 18-49 demo over total viewers. For instance, The Office charges much more than CSI or Criminal Minds despite having about half the total viewers.

The one that really stood out to me was Glee, which charges the most for any scripted show (only American Idol, X-Factor, and Sunday Night Football charge more). Yes, it even charges more than Two and a Half Men or Modern Family. Now it's 18-49 numbers are good, but not even close to those shows so they must be getting a premium on some really great numbers in more specific demos (Women 18-34 perhaps).

[sterlingice]

I always thought it was all about how much you own a particular demo. Sure, if you're Coke- you just want to advertise to everyone (tho you would pick /which/ Coke ad differently, depending on the audience). But, if you're Viagra, the number of guys under 35 you're advertising to is pretty much useless. You're just paying extra money for no effect.

Also, there are demographics to take into account. For the longest time, West Wing brought in big numbers with viewers having >$100K income so they had higher ad rates than a show with similar numbers of middle and low income viewers

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

It's on my wife's list for this season so I'll check it out, too

SI

Doh...forgot to check this out (Grimm). Did I miss anything?

[sterlingice]

Dunno- it's on the DVR. Haven't watched yet

SI

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Just a reminder that Once Upon a Time starts tonight on ABC at eight Eastern. Looks like a potentially interesting show-crossover from "fairy tale world" to our world.

I didn't watch it, but a woman on my Facebook friend's list was pretty much spamming about it and how much she loved it. She loves Twilight and numerous other crappy things, so I pause to think anything she likes is good.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I always thought it was all about how much you own a particular demo. Sure, if you're Coke- you just want to advertise to everyone (tho you would pick /which/ Coke ad differently, depending on the audience). But, if you're Viagra, the number of guys under 35 you're advertising to is pretty much useless. You're just paying extra money for no effect.

Sure, but most companies care about the younger viewers for various reasons (more susceptible to advertising, build brand loyalty at a young age, etc.). If you look at Coke's marketing campaigns, they certainly aren't going after the 50+ crowd. As for Viagra, sure they want viewers 50+, but since not many other companies do they don't have to pay very much to get those viewers.

Also, there are demographics to take into account. For the longest time, West Wing brought in big numbers with viewers having >$100K income so they had higher ad rates than a show with similar numbers of middle and low income viewers

SI

Sure, there are more specific demos that can change things up as noted with the insane ad rates that Glee is able to charge despite having lower (but still very good) 18-49 ratings than other shows, but 18-49 is the best predictor for what a network will do with a series.

[BrianD]

Anybody watch the first episode of Man Up? It isn't often that I give up on a series before the first episode is finished, but it happened here. Very un-funny.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

It's on my wife's list for this season so I'll check it out, too

SI

An ad for it was played this weekend when the wife and I were at the movies. I mentioned how awful that looked, and she said she thought it looked cute. I told her she could record it and watch on nights that I'm at work...

And Gennifer Goodwin should never have cut her hair.

[cartman]

This Thursday at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central on MTV marks the return of Beavis and Butthead!

[stevew]

I'm really into Person of Interest and hoping it will survive the season.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cartman

This Thursday at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central on MTV marks the return of Beavis and Butthead!

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by cartman

This Thursday at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central on MTV marks the return of Beavis and Butthead!

By default the best thing on the channel.

[Doug5984]

Originally Posted by cartman

This Thursday at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central on MTV marks the return of Beavis and Butthead!

I'm skeptical- my TV hasn't tuned to MTV in god knows how long... but I think I may have to record this one...

[Ksyrup]

I was just thinking...this is going to screw up a bunch of 30 and 40-something's "I haven't watched MTV since 1993" lines.

[ISiddiqui]

Just saw "Once Upon a Time" - Loved it! The melding of the "real" backstories of the fairy tale characters combined with the curse of living in the real world unaware of their past is just a great concept!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

but since not many other companies do they don't have to pay very much to get those viewers.

Eh, not quite as true as it might appear. The kicker comes when 50+ watches the same shows as, say 18-49 (happens with higher rated shows), then you end up paying for the younger masses to get the older audiences. There are lower-priced options (say, Hallmark Channel) but it isn't quite as cut & dried as "they're older so they're cheaper".

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Here's a pretty interesting rundown of estimated ad rates that primetime shows are charging, which bears out the importance of the 18-49 demo over total viewers.

That's big, but don't entirely overlook the impact of a couple of other factors

1) Imaging. The amount of money spent just to be associated with a show while it has some "wow" factor never ceases to amaze me.

2) Selection bias. Three guesses what demo most ground level buyers fall into. Yes, even a lot of the uber-buyers. There's a metric shit ton of money spent on shows (particularly at the market/local level) because they buyer likes them. There's not really a shortage of companies (i.e. agency clients) that have decision makers who don't have the foggiest f'n clue about cost efficiency when it comes to marketing, and they often have a hell of a time getting past several of their own biases (particularly the subconscious urge to associate themselves / their product with younger audiences).

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Eh, not quite as true as it might appear. The kicker comes when 50+ watches the same shows as, say 18-49 (happens with higher rated shows), then you end up paying for the younger masses to get the older audiences. There are lower-priced options (say, Hallmark Channel)
but it isn't quite as cut & dried as "they're older so they're cheaper".

Right, there are shows that skew old but are still so popular they do decently in 18-49 anyway, like most of the CBS procedurals. I'm more talking about shows that skew heavily in one direction or the other. For example, Harry's Law draws about 8 million viewers a week. Compare that to Parks & Rec and Community, which can barely draw 4 million viewers but charge more. Even The Office barely manages 6 million viewers but it charges three times the rate of Harry's Law.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by stevew

I'm really into Person of Interest and hoping it will survive the season.

'Person of Interest' and 'Unforgettable' get picked up | Inside TV | EW.com

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Just saw "Once Upon a Time" - Loved it! The melding of the "real" backstories of the fairy tale characters combined with the curse of living in the real world unaware of their past is just a great concept!

I haven't watched it yet, but the premiere got the highest debut rating for any drama series this year at 3.9, 12.8 million viewers, so that probably bodes well for it if it doesn't drop too much in the second week.

[ISiddiqui]

Hopefully it won't as it exceeded my expectations.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

'Person of Interest' and 'Unforgettable' get picked up | Inside TV | EW.com

want to like these two shows, but Unforgettable reminds me of the Mentalist where it seems like only the lead character can solve all these crimes, making the rest of the cast pretty useless. The lead actor in POI (the muscle) is very hard to like as a hero/vigilante, and the mystery behind the numbers already seems solved-so its just insert guest star/figure out why his/her number has come up, solve the problem, rinse and repeat.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

want to like these two shows, but Unforgettable reminds me of the Mentalist where it seems like only the lead character can solve all these crimes, making the rest of the cast pretty useless. The lead actor in POI (the muscle) is very hard to like as a hero/vigilante, and the mystery behind the numbers already seems solved-so its just insert guest star/figure out why his/her number has come up, solve the problem, rinse and repeat.

Loved the premise of Person of Interest but some things about it bugged me. First, why in the hell are two social security numbers not spit out? One for the victim and one for the perp? Shouldn't that happen? Second, the muscle guy is boring beyond boring and the show just dragged and dragged.

[21C]

I have really enjoyed Person of Interest. I thought that the lead actor was playing it too stiff/wooden but he was obviously directed to act that way. They have thrown in the occasional bit where they show his humanity which has been good. He reminds me a little of the Mark Harmon role (Jethro Gibbs) on NCIS who also plays it straight.

My wife gave up on the show after the first episode because she thought that it was too much action but I've enjoyed it on other levels apart from this. I've particularly liked the parts where he wraps up the bad guys and delivers them to the police.

It's a little far-fetched at times but nonetheless enjoyable.

[cartman]

24 hours until the return of B&B. Here's what the opening episode is supposed to be:

In the premiere episode (Thursday at 10/9c on MTV), the pair sees Twilight and they decide to "get chicks" by becoming supernatural creatures themselves. So they ask a homeless guy with hepatitis (who they think is a werewolf) to bite them.

Can't wait!

[MJ4H]

Oh hell yes.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by cartman

24 hours until the return of B&B. Here's what the opening episode is supposed to be:



Can't wait!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26B_%28TV_series%29

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Just saw "Once Upon a Time" - Loved it! The melding of the "real" backstories of the fairy tale characters combined with the curse of living in the real world unaware of their past is just a great concept!

Finally saw this-overall ok we'll see if it can hold my interest for a couple more episodes-only weak part was the main character just basically believing that Henry was her son and taking him to Maine just because that's where he said he lived. Given her background I thought she should have tried to find out more about him, call his adoptive parents to let them know he was ok, etc. But willing to overlook that just to get the story going.

Good job on the acting part-though Snow White was a bit "off" I thought.

[Draft Dodger]

finally got around to watching the first ep of American Horror Story last night. man, that was disturbing

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

finally got around to watching the first ep of American Horror Story last night. man, that was disturbing

Same here. Hoping to catch the other two on demand tonight.

It needs a thread on here. The stuff with the maid was pretty cool, especially when the neighbor told her, "Don't make me kill you again."

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Finally saw this-overall ok we'll see if it can hold my interest for a couple more episodes-only weak part was the main character just basically believing that Henry was her son and taking him to Maine just because that's where he said he lived. Given her background I thought she should have tried to find out more about him, call his adoptive parents to let them know he was ok, etc. But willing to overlook that just to get the story going.

Good job on the acting part-though Snow White was a bit "off" I thought.

Well the 2nd Episode has been released - I think it was better than the pilot. I like how they are giving the fairy tale characters some depth.

I think Snow White is supposed to be "off" as if she knows she doesn't really fit in the new world somewhere deep inside.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

finally got around to watching the first ep of American Horror Story last night. man, that was disturbing

I have watched them all so far. I like it well enough. It's kind of fun and creepy. There hasn't been anything as disturbing as that part in the basement in that first episode. That shit was whack, yo.

[wade moore]

I've now watched the Pilot for Grimm and Once Upon a Time.

My initial takes:

1. I thought the premise for Grimm was pretty good, but the actual episode not all that great.
2. The acting in Once is a lot better.
3. I like that Once is more serialized where Grimm is more procedural.

I can't see sticking with both of these, and for me Once has the clear lead right now.

[PackerFanatic]

I am really enjoying Once Upon A Time. I like that they keep going back and forth, showing the back story about how they all got to that point. Still need to catch Grimm.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by 21C

I have really enjoyed Person of Interest. I thought that the lead actor was playing it too stiff/wooden but he was obviously directed to act that way. They have thrown in the occasional bit where they show his humanity which has been good. He reminds me a little of the Mark Harmon role (Jethro Gibbs) on NCIS who also plays it straight.

My wife gave up on the show after the first episode because she thought that it was too much action but I've enjoyed it on other levels apart from this. I've particularly liked the parts where he wraps up the bad guys and delivers them to the police.

It's a little far-fetched at times but nonetheless enjoyable.

He's basically playing real world Batman, but not in a costume.

[PackerFanatic]

I am happy to see Jennifer Morrison more regularly - miss her on House, but I have always liked her.

[Thomkal]

This one snuck up on me, new episodes of Covert Affairs start tonight at 10pm EST on USA for my fellow fans of the show.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

This one snuck up on me, new episodes of Covert Affairs start tonight at 10pm EST on USA for my fellow fans of the show.

Woo!

[Honolulu_Blue]

I know it aired last year, but I finally got around to watching a few episodes of "Happy Endings". And, it's awesome. Great show. Very funny.

It's officially in the DVR rotation now.