College Football Week 13 Thread

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Good lord.

Anyone know what the record margin for a top 5 or top 2 team to ever lose by?

I'm sure the stat people have time to look it up.

[Vegas Vic]

Chickenshit call by the official keeps a Texas Tech drive alive. That was a clean hit by Nic Harris.

[CU Tiger]

At what time do you turn the TV off in the name of decency?

[CU Tiger]

Ok this sis train wreck addicting.....I want 70

[Karlifornia]

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

[bignej]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

I was think the same thing. That would be a perfect game.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

True dat. Really embarassing for the Irish.

As a third genration Irish fan I was hoping for this kind of lose being it hopefully will me Fat boy Weis get's shown the door after this season. Wow, he is a great example of why you need to check references before hiring someone. Totally unqualified for a head coach job period.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

How did Florida lose to Mississippi?

Texas was the better team on Oct. 11.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Galaril

As a third genration Irish fan I was hoping for this kind of lose being it hopefully will me Fat boy Weis get's shown the door after this season. Wow, he is a great example of why you need to check references before hiring someone. Totally unqualified for a head coach job period.

Not happening. If you want to ask for his head next year after another year where quality wins are in short supply, and they will be since they hardly play anybody, knock yourself out. Resume also included Pats OC.

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

How did Florida lose to Mississippi?

Also 7-4, gave 'Bama a nice little run on the road and just beat up LSU 31-13. If you are going to drop a game to a team, at least Ole Miss. is respectable.

[tarcone]

Iowa spanks Minnesota in Minnesota, 55-0. Outback bowl here we come.

As for the national title game, I agree with the Oklahoma/Florida game. it may be 60-59. Man that has potentail to be a great one.
In fact if isnt OU/Florida, the BCS withh prove once again it doesnt work.

[Buccaneer]

I just told my son that there is a decent chance that the Championship Game could be Florida vs USC (his team). He couldn't believe it and started having an apoplexy at the excitement of it.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I just told my son that there is a decent chance that the Championship Game could be Florida vs USC (his team). He couldn't believe it and started having an apoplexy at the excitement of it.

I'm hoping it can still happen. I'll never have rooted for Missouri harder than I will be in a few weeks.

[bob]

Originally Posted by tarcone

As for the national title game, I agree with the Oklahoma/Florida game. it may be 60-59. Man that has potential to be a great one.

Probably won't be though. This year has been very disappointing to me - every big game fails to live up to the hype except for Texas - Texas Tech. I guess Texas - Oklahoma was good too, but lots of duds:

- Clemson / Bama
- Bama / UGA
- UGA / Florida
- TT / Ok. St
- TT / Ok

[cartman]

Even if Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, I don't see USC jumping over the 1 loss Big 12 team that doesn't play in the Big 12 title game. They have too much ground to make up in the computer polls.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

From the Division II playoffs:

My favorite team, Seton Hill, lost in a blowout at California (PA) 48-7. I left a Seton Hill game early for the first time all season today. It was still a great year for SHU.

Also, West Texas A&M - famous for having just fired Ryan Leaf from their staff - scored 68 points in their playoff game today... and lost. They were defeated by Abilene Christian by a score of 93-68. I wish I had been able to see that game instead!

I read that score in the paper this morning ... Abilene Christian is up next for Northwest Missouri, which specializes in playing the most exciting and closest games in NCAA playoff history.

1,531 yards of offense for both teams. Abilene failed to score on one drive when they missed a field goal. Can you imagine putting up 721 yards of offense and losing by 25? There were 44 different school or NCAA records set in the game.

Wildcats down Buffales in record-setting fashion, 93-68 - ACUSports.com—Official Web Site of Abilene Christian Athletics

Northwest Missouri coach Mel Tjeerdsma was asked about he score after the game: “Did they cut down the nets?

[RedKingGold]

I hadn't been following Villanova football that much (Villanova Stadium is within 1 mile of my apartment), but they apparently qualified for the I-AA playoffs this season (first time since 2002).

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Not happening. If you want to ask for his head next year after another year where quality wins are in short supply, and they will be since they hardly play anybody, knock yourself out. Resume also included Pats OC.


Also 7-4, gave 'Bama a nice little run on the road and just beat up LSU 31-13. If you are going to drop a game to a team, at least Ole Miss. is respectable.

Yes, I was aware of his Pats background and time will Parcels but big whooped fucking doo. That obviously doesn't mean that qualified him as a headcoach. I think the school maybe not this season but after next season to cut a deal with Charlie and buy him out of his contract's last seven years. Now, that is assuming they don't turn it around and go 10-2 next year (doubtful).

[bob]

Here's my question for Notre Dame fans - if Weis is out, who's in? Make a run at Urban Meyer again? Skip Holtz? Brian Kelly? Really, who do they go after?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

LOL....The Apple Cup certainly lived up to it's "promise". WSU wins 16-13 in double OT, with neither team scoring a TD in either of their two possessions.

Was that UW's last game? If so, that ends the Willingham era. It's probably time for him to be an assistant or coordinator somewhere.

Unfortunately, no. We get to travel to Cal in a couple weeks to get slaughtered and complete the "perfect" season.

There is a special place in hell for Ty Willingham.

[molson]

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by molson

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

I think I'd be a lot more miserable if I'd actually gone to the Maryland game yesterday. What a joke it was. Luckily, I had family obligations and got to sell my ticket.

/tm

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by bob

Here's my question for Notre Dame fans - if Weis is out, who's in? Make a run at Urban Meyer again? Skip Holtz? Brian Kelly? Really, who do they go after?

ND would be a significant downgrade to what Florida has as I think ND has bigger issues than just getting a quality coach. Holtz would be interesting and maybe the most likely. Since I've been tracking Kelly during his GVSU days and would have loved to see him to go U of M, I would be more than slightly worried about him going there. If he can't coach at U of M, he can coach at a number of other spots. ND just isn't one of them.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I read that score in the paper this morning ... Abilene Christian is up next for Northwest Missouri, which specializes in playing the most exciting and closest games in NCAA playoff history.

1,531 yards of offense for both teams. Abilene failed to score on one drive when they missed a field goal. Can you imagine putting up 721 yards of offense and losing by 25? There were 44 different school or NCAA records set in the game.

Wildcats down Buffales in record-setting fashion, 93-68 - ACUSports.com—Official Web Site of Abilene Christian Athletics

Northwest Missouri coach Mel Tjeerdsma was asked about he score after the game: “Did they cut down the nets?

Hahaha, that's a great line by Tjeerdsma. I really only follow Super Region 1 closely, but I know NW Missouri plays some entertaining playoff games. I'm looking forward to their game with ACU next week.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by molson

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

As a Penn State fan, this weekend could not have gone any better for my team. So, I'm happy.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

As a Penn State fan, this weekend could not have gone any better for my team. So, I'm happy.

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by tarcone

In fact if isnt OU/Florida, the BCS withh prove once again it doesnt work.

Even if Florida loses to Florida State and/or 'Bama? Or the Sooners lose to the Cowboys?

I don't think we're finished with the upsets yet.

[st.cronin]

dola, re: Weis. He's done an ok job recruiting, but something is obviously wrong. That team should be much better than it is.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

Not only that, but I felt it was really meaningful to have the seniors be the star(s) of the show yesterday on Senior Day. It was a really wonderful day for the program

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

There is a special place in hell for Ty Willingham.

LOL...geez you husky fans are rough.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola, re: Weis. He's done an ok job recruiting, but something is obviously wrong. That team should be much better than it is.

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

From the general tone of this and the NFL thread, it's kind of refreshing you don't consider the season a failure because of that one loss.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.

That doesn't seem an unfair comparison at this point.

[st.cronin]

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

Iowa is going to the Outback bowl. The Big 10 has a rule that if you finish within one game of another team you can jump them and go to the better bowl. The Outback Bowl loves Iowa and the all the fans they bring to Florida.
So move Iowa to the Outback and slide MSU and Northwestern down. Then its on the money.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.

I think Zook recruits better then Weis.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

LOL...geez you husky fans are rough.

How would you feel if your favorite football program, one with a rich tradition of success that was 2nd only to USC in Pac-10 history, had been brought to the lowest point in their proud history.

We are staring at 0-12, the only winless season in modern Husky history (there were two 0-win seasons in the late 1800's - 0-1 & 0-0-1). We are in the midst of a school-record 13 game losing streak (previous worst: 10 games), and a school-record 5th consecutive losing season (previous worst: 3 consecutive losing seasons). We just lost to arguably the worst BCS team in modern history. The program may not be dead yet, but it's on life-support.

And yet this asshole has the temerity, in his 4th season as coach, to say that part of the blame for this comes from the situation he inherited.

Was it a great situation? Of course not - he stepped in to a team that had just gone 1-10, was in the midst of the Neuheisel wrongful termination lawsuit and other scandals in the athletic department and a team that was facing their 3rd coach in 1.5 years.

But it was also a program that had been 11-1 and #3 in the country just 5 seasons prior, was only 1 season removed from 27 consecutive seasons of .500 or better. The 3 seasons prior to Gilbertson's 1-10 were:

8-4
7-6
6-6

A downward trend for sure, and the 4 year total prior to Willingham was 22-26.

But compare that to Willingham's 11-36 (soon to be 11-37). That's a significant difference, and in the wrong direction.

It was a rebuilding job he inherited, but plenty of other coaches have done better compared to their predecessor(s) in the same 4 year comparison. From the Pac-10 alone:

Cal:
4 years prior to Tedford ('98-'01): 13-31
4 years of Tedford ('02-'05): 33-17

Oregon State:
4 years prior to Riley ('93-'96): 11-33
4 years of Riley/Erickson ('97-'00): 26-20

USC:
4 years prior to Carroll ('97-'00): 25-23
4 years of Carroll ('01-'04): 42-9

Stanford:
4 years of Wiggin ('80-'83): 16-28
4 years of Elway ('84-'87): 22-23

Looking outside of the Pac-10:

Oklahoma:
4 years prior to Stoops ('95-'98): 17-27
4 years of Stoops ('99-'02): 43-9

Hawaii:
4 years prior to Jones ('95-'98): 9-39
4 years of Jones ('99-'02): 31-20

Northwestern:
4 years prior to Barnett ('88-'91): 7-36-1
4 years of Barnett ('92-'95): 19-25

I could keep going on and on, but I think you get my point - a good coach will display himself and show marked improvement over his predecessors, and even really tough situations can be turned around in 4 years or less.

But this pattern of not accepting full responsibility for his shortcomings is nothing new for Willingham - he regularly throws his players under the bus.

The truth is, he's a petty little tyrant who's developed a refined worldview that everyone is out to get him. What he doesn't seem to realize is that any persecution he faces is due to his own ineptitude - his poor coaching, poor recruiting, lousy relationship with fans, boosters and the media. What he does appear to think is that the color of his skin is a major component in this, which is offensive.

And in his 4 years here, he's taken a football program that was good but had just taken a major stumble (the 1-10 in '04) and has turned that stumble into the status quo, finishing last or 2nd to last in every season he's been here, with a losing record every season he's been here. He's instilled a losing mentality here and changed the perception of the UW football program from a 1-year out-of-character flop into one of the worst BCS football programs in the country.

Willingham is a fraud and is stealing the $1.5M he is paid from the UW. The sooner this petty little prick is gone the better.

[cartman]

Actually the bowl selection process is pretty fluid. Outside of the bowl tie-ins for conference champions and the BCS, the rest of bowls work on a draft style system. For example, the Outback bowl is listed as Big Ten #3. That doesn't mean they necessarily get the 3rd place Big Ten team, it means they get the 3rd pick out of the pool of bowl eligible Big Ten teams.

[st.cronin]

I think its absolutely amazing that Washington State won 2 games.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think its absolutely amazing that Washington State won 2 games.

Well, one of those wins was against a middling 1-AA team. The other win, well...all I can say is FUCK YOU TY WILLINGHAM!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

Are you going to be out here then?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

What about the Sun?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cartman

Actually the bowl selection process is pretty fluid. Outside of the bowl tie-ins for conference champions and the BCS, the rest of bowls work on a draft style system. For example, the Outback bowl is listed as Big Ten #3. That doesn't mean they necessarily get the 3rd place Big Ten team, it means they get the 3rd pick out of the pool of bowl eligible Big Ten teams.

Subject to whatever pressure the conferences might bring to bear at times to keep them picking along those general lines (Georgia Tech & the ACC went through that deal a year or two ago).

[st.cronin]

Not sure why you're asking about the Sun Bowl, it will most likely be Notre Dame vs. somebody from the Pac 10, maybe Oregon or California.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Are you going to be out here then?

Yeah I have some tickets lined up. I know a few big donors and they arent going to the game so they said they'd get me tickets.

Im looking forward to it!

[Young Drachma]

Wyoming lost to Colorado State yesterday. I think that officially ends the Joe Glenn era in Laramie. I doubt they'll get someone better to replace him, much less someone who can rally the fans as he has. But at the same time...I think they're well overdue to get someone in there who can recruit.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Wyoming lost to Colorado State yesterday. I think that officially ends the Joe Glenn era in Laramie. I doubt they'll get someone better to replace him, much less someone who can rally the fans as he has. But at the same time...I think they're well overdue to get someone in there who can recruit.

Dola --

Confirmed.

Wyoming Tribune Eagle Online : Joe Glenn era comes to an end

http://casperstartribune.com/article...5232779973.txt

But they were only paying him $300k, so I doubt anyone short of an assistant or another 1-AA like Glenn will actually come to Laramie. Smart model though, bringing in a guy who it's his "top job" so he won't be leaving, as opposed to a hot assistant or someone looking to take the job, only to jump and head elsewhere after some success as the revolving door there used to be.

[bob]

Originally Posted by Matthean

ND would be a significant downgrade to what Florida has

Agreed, I just brought his name up because they wanted him last time, and I had just read this article:

Notre Dame, Meyer seem like perfect fit | floridatoday.com | FLORIDA TODAY

[st.cronin]

As an aside to this week, I just want to say how delighted I am with the seasons Arkansas, Ole Miss, West Virginia and Michigan have had this year. Now if only Auburn can win the Iron Bowl again...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not sure why you're asking about the Sun Bowl, it will most likely be Notre Dame vs. somebody from the Pac 10, maybe Oregon or California.

Isn't Sun Bowl between Pac 10 #3 and Big Ten #5 or something like that? Or did the Big Ten break off its contract with the Sun?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Yeah I have some tickets lined up. I know a few big donors and they arent going to the game so they said they'd get me tickets.

Im looking forward to it!

Awesome. Well, then, if you make it out here, let me be the first to invite you out for a drink. Heck, maybe we can even get a SoCal FOFC gathering for around then (although it may be tough if a bunch of people are out of town for the holidays).