*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS) - Page 59

JeeberD · 06-30-2006, 01:15 PM

I caught the second half and overtime of the Germany game while I was at the gym today. Pretty exciting stuff, but I think there has to be a team that I care about for me to be able to watch a full game.

Question, though. Offsides...how does it work? I know on the inbounds the offensive players have to be behind the player throwing the ball in, but what's up with the offsides calls while the ball is in play?

AlexB · 06-30-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I caught the second half and overtime of the Germany game while I was at the gym today. Pretty exciting stuff, but I think there has to be a team that I care about for me to be able to watch a full game.

Question, though. Offsides...how does it work? I know on the inbounds the offensive players have to be behind the player throwing the ball in, but what's up with the offsides calls while the ball is in play?

I have no idea what you're asking in end of the 2nd paragraph there

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You can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in after the opposition kicks the ball out of play.

When the ball is in play, or from a FK, there has to be at least two defensive players between the player receiving the ball and the goal when the pass is made. One of these is usually the GK, so it usually translates into one defender between the receiver and the goal.

You can't be offside if you are in your own half.

If you are in an offside position, but not 'active' i.e. interfering directly with play, you will not be given offside. If you are not active, but then run towards the ball/affect play in the same phase, you will then be given offside, whereas if you do not make a play on the ball, you won't.

That's basically it - it's a lot more controversial than this, but that's the basics

bbor · 06-30-2006, 01:27 PM

Deutchland uber alles!!

MalcPow · 06-30-2006, 01:28 PM

Any idea what the fight was about? I was watching the Chinese TV feed (also far superior to Balboa) and although I was able to pick up a few excited guttural noises, I couldn't figure out why there were argies hurling themselves at people.

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

Any idea what the fight was about? I was watching the Chinese TV feed (also far superior to Balboa) and although I was able to pick up a few excited guttural noises, I couldn't figure out why there were argies hurling themselves at people.

One team won, one team lost?

MalcPow · 06-30-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

One team won, one team lost?

Those crazy Chinese! I missed that part!

Nevermind, guess that makes sense.

moriarty · 06-30-2006, 01:37 PM

Damn i missed it. Was it a brawl or a little pushy shovy baseball fight type of stuff?

JeeberD · 06-30-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I have no idea what you're asking in end of the 2nd paragraph there

.

You can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in after the opposition kicks the ball out of play.

When the ball is in play, or from a FK, there has to be at least two defensive players between the player receiving the ball and the goal when the pass is made. One of these is usually the GK, so it usually translates into one defender between the receiver and the goal.

You can't be offside if you are in your own half.

If you are in an offside position, but not 'active' i.e. interfering directly with play, you will not be given offside. If you are not active, but then run towards the ball/affect play in the same phase, you will then be given offside, whereas if you do not make a play on the ball, you won't.

That's basically it - it's a lot more controversial than this, but that's the basics

I would probably need to see it in action to understand it. Thanks for the info!

Critch · 06-30-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

Any idea what the fight was about? I was watching the Chinese TV feed (also far superior to Balboa) and although I was able to pick up a few excited guttural noises, I couldn't figure out why there were argies hurling themselves at people.

The guy in the black suit that the Argentinians were trying to get at was Oliver Bierhoff, ex-German international and now part of the German coaching team. Not sure what he did to annoy them so much.

JeeberD · 06-30-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

Damn i missed it. Was it a brawl or a little pushy shovy baseball fight type of stuff?

From what I saw it looked pretty serious, but I didn't see any punches getting thrown.

Critch · 06-30-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

From what I saw it looked pretty serious, but I didn't see any punches getting thrown.

I think the tv only caught one punch getting thrown, kind of had the feeling that the tv cameras didn't catch up with the trouble until all the good stuff was finished. One of the German central defenders was apparently left lying on the turf.

When I say good stuff, I obviously mean disgraceful scenes that none of us want to see.

Desnudo · 06-30-2006, 01:53 PM

Which team deserves to be here less, Italy or the Ukraine?

Desnudo · 06-30-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I would probably need to see it in action to understand it. Thanks for the info!

The basic rule is that when a ball is played to you from a teammate, there needs to be at least two opposing players in front of you. That usually means the opposing goalkeeper and a defender.

Think of the second player as the line of scrimmage that can't be passed until the ball is snapped, or in this case, passed.

Desnudo · 06-30-2006, 02:01 PM

"The trouble seemed to start when midfielder Tim Borowski gestured towards the Argentina players to "keep quiet" having scored his penalty to make it 4-2 in Germany's favour. "

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...372953&cc=5901

JeeberD · 06-30-2006, 02:03 PM

OK, gotcha. What's the reasoning for the rule? To cut out cherry-picking?

Desnudo · 06-30-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

OK, gotcha. What's the reasoning for the rule? To cut out cherry-picking?

I would guess that's the reason. Otherwise you could just station a bunch of players by the goal and hit long passes to them.

Critch · 06-30-2006, 02:07 PM

Nice goal for Italy. Zambrotta, long range shot.

Solecismic · 06-30-2006, 02:20 PM

Interesting page to look at as Italy fakes the first injury of the match:

http://www.informationbuilders.co.uk/ontheball/wcuk.htm

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

Those crazy Chinese! I missed that part!

Nevermind, guess that makes sense.

Sorry, maybe I came off as a bit of a jerk in my reply. Maybe because I would have loved to see my country's team present in this fight, rather than the one we were in a 5 days ago.

Anyway, I don't think it really was anything major and will end up as something nobody talks about tomorrow.

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 03:15 PM

Oh my, Ukraine was close to the equalizer there.

Desnudo · 06-30-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Interesting page to look at as Italy fakes the first injury of the match:

http://www.informationbuilders.co.uk/ontheball/wcuk.htm

When you drill into the individual teams I found this stat most interesting:

Holland Dives: 19
Robben: 19
Rest of Holland: 0

*rimshot*

*Cue MIJB defense*

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 03:16 PM

Meh... 2-0 Italy.

Katon · 06-30-2006, 03:17 PM

And just when Ukraine was finally starting to attack, too.

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

When you drill into the individual teams I found this stat most interesting:

Holland Dives: 19
Robben: 19
Rest of Holland: 0

*rimshot*

*Cue MIJB defense*

These stats sound just as reliable as the FIFA Rankings.

MIJB#19 · 06-30-2006, 03:26 PM

3-0; so, Germany - Italy it is...

Passacaglia · 06-30-2006, 03:38 PM

Ten minutes until another round of "The Ukraine is weak" jokes that were funny one time. And by one time, I don't mean one round of saying it 3-4 times back to each other. One. Time.

Critch · 06-30-2006, 03:40 PM

I know a guy who has a rather sizable amount of cash placed on their being at least one hattrick in the world cup. Odds were 9-4, I think.

The next ten minutes with Luca Toni on 2 goals may be his last chance.

CraigSca · 06-30-2006, 05:20 PM

Hey, does football have the same stigma attached to running up the score that baseball has with stealing bases?

ISiddiqui · 06-30-2006, 10:31 PM

Not particularly. At least I haven't seen it.

cthomer5000 · 07-01-2006, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Oh my, Ukraine was close to the equalizer there.

I was celebrating the second shot before it was knocked away by the defender. :o

And what a change of events with Italy quickly taking the 2-0 lead after. Blech.

AlexB · 07-01-2006, 05:43 AM

For those who haven't seen, it appears as if Leandro Cufre gave the German defender a proper full kick in the balls to spark the melee (which does explain why he has doubled up on the ground!).

Whether there was any goading that drew the kick I don't know

daedalus · 07-01-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

So close! Just one letter out

Damn, I SWEAR! The Brits on BigSoccer said the EXACT same thing as you!

[As an aside, I don't know if you already heard of the origin of that. One of the US announcers said that during the Aus game. That made me giggle. Like a schoolgirl.]

daedalus · 07-01-2006, 10:12 AM

*sigh*

ChristianO, ChristianO. Get the dude's name RIGHT. Good Heavens.

And nice to see that Figo is still diving and playacting. Cheers.

rexallllsc · 07-01-2006, 10:51 AM

How is C. Ronaldo's form w/ ManUtd? He seems like all he does is fancy move + fancy move + fancy move and then turns the ball over. Wasted motion.

rexallllsc · 07-01-2006, 10:53 AM

Also, is there still a Gerrard v. Lampard debate?

ISiddiqui · 07-01-2006, 10:56 AM

Ronaldo is very dangerous in the EPL. I wonder if its the formation or just the better talent all around in defenses he's playing against that doesn't make him as dangerous as he is in league play.

Crapshoot · 07-01-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Also, is there still a Gerrard v. Lampard debate?

After that shot, their shouldn't be - but Lampard's boosters don't seem to see his actual play. Awful.

ISiddiqui · 07-01-2006, 11:11 AM

Wow... Sven takes Beckham out... that's different.

Probably should have taken Lampard out and put Beckham in the middle and Lennon on the right.

ISiddiqui · 07-01-2006, 11:16 AM

Man, Maniche's dive was utterly shameful.

MrBug708 · 07-01-2006, 11:19 AM

ISiddiqui · 07-01-2006, 11:20 AM

DUMB, Rooney, DUMB! You don't shove an opposing player in front of the ref!

cschex · 07-01-2006, 11:22 AM

Now, there's the famous Rooney temper we've been waiting for. Good to know he was learning his lessons from Roy Keane.

rexallllsc · 07-01-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

DUMB, Rooney, DUMB! You don't shove an opposing player in front of the ref!

I can't believe he gave a red for that. The Portugal team is a disgrace.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

DUMB, Rooney, DUMB! You don't shove an opposing player in front of the ref!

Yea, I don't think he was given a red for the foul. I think it was for the shove.

Easy Mac · 07-01-2006, 11:22 AM

no way there was a red card anywhere there. i honestly have no idea what celo is on about. the ref wasn't going to call a red for the foul, if you look, he was just going to call a foul. he called the red on the push (which ive seen a million times with no card). bullshit call.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

The Portugal team is a disgrace.

Yes.

cschex · 07-01-2006, 11:23 AM

He gave a red for Rooney kicking Carvalho in the crotch, right in front of the ref.

Also, why Crouch for Cole. Sub out Lampard, for God's sake.

Easy Mac · 07-01-2006, 11:24 AM

the red wasn't for stepping on him. watch the ref, all he did was signal for the foul. the ref doesn't wait 10 seconds signalling a foul if he intends to card someone.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cschex

He gave a red for Rooney kicking Carvalho in the crotch, right in front of the ref.

They were wrestling for position and IMO it looked like it was an accident in the course of their battling for the ball.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2006, 11:26 AM

Can we get some yellows for these pathetic Portuguese diving team members.

06-30-2006, 01:15 PM	#2901
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I caught the second half and overtime of the Germany game while I was at the gym today. Pretty exciting stuff, but I think there has to be a team that I care about for me to be able to watch a full game. Question, though. Offsides...how does it work? I know on the inbounds the offensive players have to be behind the player throwing the ball in, but what's up with the offsides calls while the ball is in play? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-30-2006, 01:27 PM	#2903
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Deutchland uber alles!! __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

06-30-2006, 02:03 PM	#2915
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	OK, gotcha. What's the reasoning for the rule? To cut out cherry-picking? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-30-2006, 03:15 PM	#2920
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	Oh my, Ukraine was close to the equalizer there. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

06-30-2006, 03:16 PM	#2922
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	Meh... 2-0 Italy. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

06-30-2006, 01:28 PM	#2904
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	Any idea what the fight was about? I was watching the Chinese TV feed (also far superior to Balboa) and although I was able to pick up a few excited guttural noises, I couldn't figure out why there were argies hurling themselves at people.

06-30-2006, 01:37 PM	#2907
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Damn i missed it. Was it a brawl or a little pushy shovy baseball fight type of stuff?

06-30-2006, 01:53 PM	#2912
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Which team deserves to be here less, Italy or the Ukraine?

06-30-2006, 02:01 PM	#2914
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	"The trouble seemed to start when midfielder Tim Borowski gestured towards the Argentina players to "keep quiet" having scored his penalty to make it 4-2 in Germany's favour. " http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...372953&cc=5901

06-30-2006, 02:07 PM	#2917
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Nice goal for Italy. Zambrotta, long range shot.

06-30-2006, 02:20 PM	#2918
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Interesting page to look at as Italy fakes the first injury of the match: http://www.informationbuilders.co.uk/ontheball/wcuk.htm

06-30-2006, 03:17 PM	#2923
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	And just when Ukraine was finally starting to attack, too.

06-30-2006, 03:26 PM	#2925
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	3-0; so, Germany - Italy it is... __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

06-30-2006, 03:38 PM	#2926
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Ten minutes until another round of "The Ukraine is weak" jokes that were funny one time. And by one time, I don't mean one round of saying it 3-4 times back to each other. One. Time.

06-30-2006, 03:40 PM	#2927
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	I know a guy who has a rather sizable amount of cash placed on their being at least one hattrick in the world cup. Odds were 9-4, I think. The next ten minutes with Luca Toni on 2 goals may be his last chance.

06-30-2006, 05:20 PM	#2928
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	Hey, does football have the same stigma attached to running up the score that baseball has with stealing bases? __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

06-30-2006, 10:31 PM	#2929
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Not particularly. At least I haven't seen it. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 05:43 AM	#2931
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	For those who haven't seen, it appears as if Leandro Cufre gave the German defender a proper full kick in the balls to spark the melee (which does explain why he has doubled up on the ground!). Whether there was any goading that drew the kick I don't know __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

07-01-2006, 10:12 AM	#2933
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	sigh ChristianO, ChristianO. Get the dude's name RIGHT. Good Heavens. And nice to see that Figo is still diving and playacting. Cheers.

07-01-2006, 10:51 AM	#2934
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	How is C. Ronaldo's form w/ ManUtd? He seems like all he does is fancy move + fancy move + fancy move and then turns the ball over. Wasted motion.

07-01-2006, 10:53 AM	#2935
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Also, is there still a Gerrard v. Lampard debate?

07-01-2006, 10:56 AM	#2936
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Ronaldo is very dangerous in the EPL. I wonder if its the formation or just the better talent all around in defenses he's playing against that doesn't make him as dangerous as he is in league play. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 11:11 AM	#2938
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow... Sven takes Beckham out... that's different. Probably should have taken Lampard out and put Beckham in the middle and Lennon on the right. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 11:16 AM	#2939
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Man, Maniche's dive was utterly shameful. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 11:19 AM	#2940
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Ouch

07-01-2006, 11:20 AM	#2941
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	DUMB, Rooney, DUMB! You don't shove an opposing player in front of the ref! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 11:22 AM	#2942
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Now, there's the famous Rooney temper we've been waiting for. Good to know he was learning his lessons from Roy Keane.

07-01-2006, 11:22 AM	#2945
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	no way there was a red card anywhere there. i honestly have no idea what celo is on about. the ref wasn't going to call a red for the foul, if you look, he was just going to call a foul. he called the red on the push (which ive seen a million times with no card). bullshit call.

07-01-2006, 11:23 AM	#2947
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	He gave a red for Rooney kicking Carvalho in the crotch, right in front of the ref. Also, why Crouch for Cole. Sub out Lampard, for God's sake.

07-01-2006, 11:24 AM	#2948
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	the red wasn't for stepping on him. watch the ref, all he did was signal for the foul. the ref doesn't wait 10 seconds signalling a foul if he intends to card someone.

07-01-2006, 11:26 AM	#2950
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Can we get some yellows for these pathetic Portuguese diving team members. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

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