LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

Note to self (and anyone else paying attention)...

This vote looks wolfish if Telle is a spawn.

[Barkeep49]

Leaving work shortly and want a vote count as of now:

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567)
No execution – Alan (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (2482), render (2556), olie (2585)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)
Alan – Pass (2575)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Note to self (and anyone else paying attention)...

This vote looks wolfish if Telle is a spawn.

Between oliegirl's vote and whatever Pass is doing.. I'm really not sure what is going on right now.. I mean I support a no lynch.. but the timing of all of this is just weird..

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Since I have been opposed no lynch since the get go and since it looks like we are close to lynching somebody I am all about it!

vote telle

Whoa, I missed this vote -- following blindly, nice!!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Vote Marc Vaughan

(mainly because I think it'll show Chubby to be guilty as heck if I go and I don't think there's enough evidence on Telle to convict her ...)

I didn't train you for nothing! I hope you unovoted!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Between oliegirl's vote and whatever Pass is doing.. I'm really not sure what is going on right now.. I mean I support a no lynch.. but the timing of all of this is just weird..

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by saldana

alan, do me a favor and dont do anything to the slaves until i get back after 12...i would just like to be part of the conversation since i become a sponge if they are dead

I think I can make you some kind of specialist.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Olie,

They're converting people at this point. When we lift off the planet, they can't convert any new spawn (that's why Alan and I have been advocating doing anything to get us off asap). At that point, they'll start to kill.

what all do we have to do in order to lift off? I thought we were pretty close

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Whoa, I missed this vote -- following blindly, nice!!

maybe so, but I have wanted a lynch since day one... and its about time we get one... even if telle is not a spawn, at least we learn something from this.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

what all do we have to do in order to lift off? I thought we were pretty close

Repair the engines is all that's required.

But we may want to get a bit more crys so we can recharge the phasers in space.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.

Well first of all, you voted for me after quoting where I said I felt kwhit is good still trying to make it look like I said he was bad, even though the exact thing you quoted said the opposite of what you said..

Then you voted for me despite not even being allowed to vote for me in the game rules..

All of this despite the fact I've had several people scan me as good and I have been locked up every night since where I couldn't possibly be converted....


I really honestly have no idea what your game is right now

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I was one of the people attacked by a slave on night 1. I was wounded but escaped.

As far as Mrs. Schmidty's actions that night, I can't confirm she did what she said she was going to do (I got nothing in my PM that referred to her at all), but she said she was going to guard me, BKs morning post said she was awake in the sleeping quarters (same location where I slept), and I believe she said she killed a slave (which would make sense if one attacked me, but she was guarding me).

So the circumstancial evidence says to me that she did guard me night 1.

A secondary reason I'm interested is because BK gave me a vague answer on whether or not someone would know if I guarded them.

My thought - one that I think holds up based on the posts in the thread, but I'm more than willing to be corrected - is that people could both commit an action and defend against a slave. For example, Mrs S could guard you and off a slave.

However, the second part of the thought that no villagers are going to be able to confirm, is that the slaves were able to attack both villagers and spawn. So the people who were injured by slaves are not inherently good or evil. I don't think I've said anything controversial so far.

Now, here comes the next part. There has been some concern about Path as a Spawn who is clearing villagers, but is he the only person we need to worry about in the tank? Well, maybe not because you were out in the open on Night 1. If Mrs Schmidty is human, then you are back to 100% cleared status. If Mrs Schmidty is spawn, then we are in a very scary spot because she could have converted you N1 and we've been throwing you in the Brig with other "cleared" people each night.

How likely do I think this is? Not terribly likely. But while others are going to rightfully suggest a scan on Path, I would add that if/when we have two doctors that Mrs Schmidty moves near the top of that list to help us nail down the COT even tighter.

Now if others have additional reasons to discount this fairly paranoid line of thought, so be it. But I figured this made for a little more interesting conversation than just hanging out waiting for a lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well first of all, you voted for me after quoting where I said I felt kwhit is good still trying to make it look like I said he was bad, even though the exact thing you quoted said the opposite of what you said..

Then you voted for me despite not even being allowed to vote for me in the game rules..

All of this despite the fact I've had several people scan me as good and I have been locked up every night since where I couldn't possibly be converted....


I really honestly have no idea what your game is right now

Sorry, by 'pile on' I meant piling on with the clearing. KWhit has been cleared a lot of times, and it seemed like your post was overkill. Just seemed off.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What about hoops spying on her?

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

I don't think voting 'with the village' proves you're not a spawn. It jus proves you're a bandwagoner. Especially if, by your own admission, your vote doesn't matter.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And is this serious?

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever

[Passacaglia]

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sorry, by 'pile on' I meant piling on with the clearing. KWhit has been cleared a lot of times, and it seemed like your post was overkill. Just seemed off.

How can you say that? I was directly responding to Hoops's comment prior to that...

I sure hope this is just a case of you only halfway paying attention to a very active thread and not just a really bad play on your part.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, if you were in the jail with spawn you could have been converted. I don't think this happened, but I don't want the idea that jail = no chance of conversion. That clearly is not the case as a general rule, although I hope it does prove to be the case for at least the first three days of this game.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever

It just seemed like you were trying to come up with a lot of reasons NOT to vote Telle.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think voting 'with the village' proves you're not a spawn. It jus proves you're a bandwagoner. Especially if, by your own admission, your vote doesn't matter.

Dammit pass...I vote one way and it pisses you off even though I've given reason for my vote...so I reconsider and vote another way to support the village and then you say I'm bandwagoning. WTH...my vote doesn't matter - Telle's fate was sealed. In my opinion, Hoops spying on her wasn't damning evidence, but I could be wrong. We'll know shortly - wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong in WW, and I doubt it will be the last. But you've been wrong before too so don't start jumping my shit over this.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

How can you say that? I was directly responding to Hoops's comment prior to that...

I sure hope this is just a case of you only halfway paying attention to a very active thread and not just a really bad play on your part.

No, it was neither. I may have misread something else in your post, but it's not a big deal.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It just seemed like you were trying to come up with a lot of reasons NOT to vote Telle.

says the person who votes for the captain

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

My my my isn't that the pot calling the kettle black mr. bandwagon???????

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Dammit pass...I vote one way and it pisses you off even though I've given reason for my vote...so I reconsider and vote another way to support the village and then you say I'm bandwagoning. WTH...my vote doesn't matter - Telle's fate was sealed. In my opinion, Hoops spying on her wasn't damning evidence, but I could be wrong. We'll know shortly - wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong in WW, and I doubt it will be the last. But you've been wrong before too so don't start jumping my shit over this.

That's all you had to say when I first asked about it. I didn't ask you to switch your vote, or even say you were wolfish.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, if you were in the jail with spawn you could have been converted. I don't think this happened, but I don't want the idea that jail = no chance of conversion. That clearly is not the case as a general rule, although I hope it does prove to be the case for at least the first three days of this game.

I think you are quickly losing most of the good will I have started feeling for you after Path's scan.. Your line of thinking while realistic is obviously not your normal optimal play. That with the timing of Pass's off the wall comments just gives me a feeling something is going on behind the scenes with you.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

aside from the fact that i dont think there is much reason to, we cant....no one can vote for the captain until an officer does, and none of them have.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by saldana

aside from the fact that i dont think there is much reason to, we cant....no one can vote for the captain until an officer does, and none of them have.

Did not see that. Oh well.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

Originally Posted by Rules

The Captain may only be executed by a Mutiny. No person may vote for the Captain to be executed until an Officer has done so and the First Officer must vote in favor of the mutiny.

Plus, I trust Alan T.

[Alan T]

Don't worry Pass.. maybe tommorrow I'll duke you which will auto-trigger a mutiny where people can vote to get rid of me.. Well you wouldn't be able to but others could

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.

My vote, plus a vote or three, is 2-4. I thought Alan had the role of Gut Feeling. No big deal.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think you are quickly losing most of the good will I have started feeling for you after Path's scan.. Your line of thinking while realistic is obviously not your normal optimal play. That with the timing of Pass's off the wall comments just gives me a feeling something is going on behind the scenes with you.

OK, and I accept I'll lose even more good will if we (I) end up being wrong on Telle.

My line of thinking is how do we tighten the COT and how do we protect ourself from bad assumptions. Assumptions are something you hammered on earlier in the game. Scanning Path is something you have hammered on, and I'm in full agreement. I'm adding a 2nd candidate that I think absolutely cements the trust from any conceivable (sane) assumptions.

I'm not sure where the problem is here, frankly. I just think that you are reading this as undermining the trust when I'm trying to outline a plan to cement it.

Note that I'm trying to help the trust along by putting cleared RendeR in instead of me, even though I know that puts me back on the suspect list. I feel like I'm playing with the best interests of the ship in a big way here, as most people are fond of being trusted in these games ...

[hoopsguy]

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My vote, plus a vote or three, is 2-4. I thought Alan had the role of Gut Feeling. No big deal.

Thats fine, I thought about that as a possibility for what you were doing but since people can't vote for me it wouldn't really kick in... I don't think I have a gut feeling though if you read too much into what I was saying to Hoops earlier by calling it a gut feeling... Since I've gotten PMs each night without any votes, it doesn't seem to be related.. I was meaning a gut feeling regarding my normal play style where I would have already killed off the security chief, the doctor and gotten my self mutinied by now most likely if I was playing my normal game of gut feelings

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?

He mentioned he was heading home, I don't remember anything about them being late though.. I assume they'll happen in the next 30-40 min or so

[hoopsguy]

Let me ask this - do you think a Spawn, after being trusted, would want to be anywhere but the Brig? Which is where I argued not to be, and repeated this request after Pass put me in there?

[PackerFanatic]

Looks like we will get our first lynch of the game. I think tomorrow is going to be quite interesting.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Let me ask this - do you think a Spawn, after being trusted, would want to be anywhere but the Brig? Which is where I argued not to be, and repeated this request after Pass put me in there?

Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

[Tyrith]

Someone have a final vote count that I can see for my records?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

Alright, without picking a side on this fight, if you're going to say that you have to actually go and pick out some that would fit that idea, I think, otherwise it's a bad argument.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I trust Path a little more after he chose to scan me. If he was a scan, he could have left me hanging when I had a bad water mission. I almost certainly would have picked up a good number of votes today and again been fighting to stay alive down the stretch.

It is incidental, and doesn't cinch him as a good guy for me, but it is a check in the "good" column as I score it.

[PackerFanatic]

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567), Pass (2607), oliegirl (2604),
No execution – Alan (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (2482), render (2556)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?

[PackerFanatic]

Which means we still have 4 not voting. Schmidty and Clap are two

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Alright, without picking a side on this fight, if you're going to say that you have to actually go and pick out some that would fit that idea, I think, otherwise it's a bad argument.

Ok, for instance this stage of the game it is almost a necessity to have the spawn queen out and about:

Spawn Queen
May launch or join a regular or Spawn attack (see Attack below) once per night cycle. If the Spawn Queen dies, the Spawn Council may designate a new Spawn Queen by forgoing all attacks and secret role actions for one night. The new Spawn Queen may not keep any previous role they had.

I know.. because I was spawn queen last game

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?

hey, I wasn't inferring anything that I think you are the spawn queen. You asked if I felt a spawn would want to not be in the brig and I said yes I could see how a spawn could be.. I thought we were talking in hypotheticals here!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?

The one thing I will say though, for you to not be scanned by path you would have to be the unaware spawn which doesn't do alot out and about right now.. My point was though that the action of not wanting to be in the brig doesn't = not spawn to me.. I think the best arguement for you is that Path scanned you as agood which limits which spawn you could be to 1

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?

I generally work until 9 PM Tues-Thur which makes producing a lynch at that time more difficult.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The one thing I will say though, for you to not be scanned by path you would have to be the unaware spawn which doesn't do alot out and about right now.. My point was though that the action of not wanting to be in the brig doesn't = not spawn to me.. I think the best arguement for you is that Path scanned you as agood which limits which spawn you could be to 1

I mean, ultimately, KWhit could be the unaware spawn, you could be the unaware spawn (really unlikely, as a spawn would be lynching people, but still possible in theory), Render could be the unaware spawn...I understand and sympathize with the bad vibe on hoops, but there's only so much we can do about it...right now. I'll be remembering this in a few days, though, for sure.

[hoopsguy]

I don't see why even the Spawn Queen would want to be separated from the COT in the Brig.