The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Comey]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Can someone explain the MS-13 thing? I live in a big city and have heard of gangs, but never this one. They would make you thing there are millions.

MS-13 - Wikipedia

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Black people are stupid slaves, doesn't seem like a message aimed at actual black people.

It's not. It is meant for white people to not feel like a racist for voting for the white supremacist.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Comey

MS-13 - Wikipedia

It's not quite Free Bird (Socialism!) or Sweet Home Alabama (Racism!). It's more like Benghazi.

SI

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Comey

MS-13 - Wikipedia

I know it is a gang but I have never heard of them doing anything. I am sure they are really bad but they also seem quite small. Like why not use the Latin Kings or something? Gangs with an actual large presence.

Just seems so weird to pick this one random small gang that no one has really heard of.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know it is a gang but I have never heard of them doing anything. I am sure they are really bad but they also seem quite small. Like why not use the Latin Kings or something? Gangs with an actual large presence.

Just seems so weird to pick this one random small gang that no one has really heard of.

If you talked to Fox News watchers, they're a huge threat with "murderers and rapists" (I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's quote was probably "inspired" by Fox's coverage of them) and they don't get why don't get this.

SI

[thesloppy]

I worked with a few dudes who claimed MS-13 when I was a cook. That was in like 1995. I got the impression they are more of a concern in the NE in recent years.

I think they're currently serving as the brown version of Antifa....they do exist and they are remarkably violent buttholes, they just don't operate in anything close to the capacity that they do in the old rich people's nightmares. I am also reminded of the hype around the Jamaican 'Posses' of the '80s.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I worked with a few dudes who claimed MS-13 when I was a cook. That was in like 1995. I got the impression they are more of a concern in the NE in recent years.

I think they're currently serving as the brown version of Antifa....they do exist and they are remarkably violent buttholes, they just don't operate in anything close to the capacity that they do in the old rich people's nightmares. I am also reminded of the hype around the Jamaican 'Posses' of the '80s.

If that is the case (I've heard of a couple of things in the region, but nothing major), you'd think the GOP would love them.

[JPhillips]

When's the next caravan coming to kill us all?

[Lathum]

Did Trump really say low income housing is coming to the suburbs and Corey Booker will be in charge of it?

That alone should be a disqualifier for most rational people

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Did Trump really say low income housing is coming to the suburbs and Corey Booker will be in charge of it?

That alone should be a disqualifier for most rational people

He's been using that racist attack for the last week. Cory Booker is bringing the blacks to your white suburbs is probably not going to sway anyone who isn't already on the Trump side

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

He's been using that racist attack for the last week. Cory Booker is bringing the blacks to your white suburbs is probably not going to sway anyone who isn't already on the Trump side

Of course, but it is just like, my god....

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Of course, but it is just like, my god....

Have you seen half the stuff the Qanon people think it's going on? It's for them.

And yes, it's batshit crazy

[RainMaker]

It's been a standard GOP attack for decades. They are just not really hiding the intent much here.

[stevew]

Cohen had pics from the Falwell thing and used them to get the endorsement for the evangelicals? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...cohen.amp.html

I mean that’s from 2019.

MS-13 is off the greatest hits album

[stevew]

Quickest way to get rid of assholes on your Facebook is to post something about Tom Hanks. Anyone who says something about non-extradition is worth booting. Any of the people who reference “save our children” gotta go too.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know it is a gang but I have never heard of them doing anything. I am sure they are really bad but they also seem quite small. Like why not use the Latin Kings or something? Gangs with an actual large presence.

Just seems so weird to pick this one random small gang that no one has really heard of.

That's the strategy, picking sth obscure and 'shadowy' that is infiltrating your live without anybody in the target audience knowing enough about it to refute it. See also the deep state and Antifa.

[GrantDawg]

I didn't watch, but it seems to be a twitter consensus that Trump jr. and girlfriend were coked out of their head when they gave their speeches.

[albionmoonlight]

I don’t watch conventions. But it seemed like a classic base motivating night for the GOP. Like Jon said in this or some other thread, dance with what brought you there.

[Swaggs]

Don Jr. did not look well.

[Ksyrup]

The only place I've ever heard/seen MS-13 mentioned is Fox News. Which fits nicely with their argument that the MSM is hiding info from us. They win both ways.

And yeah the "blacks are coming to the suburbs to destroy your property values" was a Trump comment a couple weeks ago, coupled with his assumpton that every wife in the suburbs is a housewife.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Have you seen half the stuff the Qanon people think it's going on? It's for them.

And yes, it's batshit crazy

Not really, I'd love to see a list.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Don Jr. did not look well.

But, arguably, he looked better than his girlfriend.

[JPhillips]

Looks like the FDA has been fuly Trumped.

But scientists were taken aback by the way the administration framed this data, which appeared to have been calculated based on a small subgroup of hospitalized Covid-19 patients in a Mayo Clinic study: those who were under 80 years old, not on ventilators and received plasma known to contain high levels of virus-fighting antibodies within three days of diagnosis.

What’s more, many experts — including a scientist who worked on the Mayo Clinic study — were bewildered about where the statistic came from. The number was not mentioned in the official authorization letter issued by the agency, nor was it in a 17-page memo written by F.D.A. scientists. It was not in an analysis conducted by the Mayo Clinic that has been frequently cited by the administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/h...od-plasma.html

[albionmoonlight]

I think that Don Jr. is under a lot of stress. Don Sr. has 70+ years of getting away with everything, so he does not fear any consequences for anything no matter what happens. In 6 months, or 4 years, or 12 years, he will go off to the cable TV/talk radio circuit and spend his days talking about how he's the greatest President we ever had.

Don Jr. knows how much illegal stuff he and his family has done. And I think he sees a world where it comes to light and things don't end so well for him.

I think that his fears are overblown. If the Dems never get back into power, he has nothing to fear. If they do, they are going to be so interested in "healing" and "normalcy" that they will extend the umbrella of not-going-after-political-rivals to the whole Trump clan.

But Don Jr. believes all his bluster and spittle about the Dems being evil and corrupt, so he's probably legit afraid of them.

[JPhillips]

Question,

Does the Trump brand have a future after Donald's dead? I think Ivanka will be able to continue her business, but I don't know about the Trump brand.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Honestly, this isn't about covid... it's about the near absolute power of the psychological need to defend your already-made choices. Once you have been tagged as a Trumpist, then you feel compelled to align everything from that point on to connect to it.

It can't be that you were wrong, and your guy is awful. It has to be... a conspiracy... the fake news media... liberal doctors... or just the flu. Whatever it takes, whatever the subject. As long as it doesn't require me to go back and say "wow, I blew it, I thought he'd be okay but he's terrible." Not that under any circumstances.

Partisanship is the ultimate improv game.

— Zach Weinersmith (@ZachWeiner) August 25, 2020

[JPhillips]

Yes, and...

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I think that his fears are overblown. If the Dems never get back into power, he has nothing to fear. If they do, they are going to be so interested in "healing" and "normalcy" that they will extend the umbrella of not-going-after-political-rivals to the whole Trump clan.

You are probably right. Nothing will destroy any possibility of healing (which seems to be a far-fetched idea to begin with, honestly) like Trump getting what he deserves while 40% of the country believes "the other side" got away with their crimes. But I'd like to think the real healing would be everyone pitching the Trumps into a ditch, them getting everything they deserve, and we all move on as if the past 4-5 years were our "blackout drunk" phase.

[miami_fan]

So is the board at Liberty trying to overthrow Falwell Jr. to silence him from telling the truth?

[Ksyrup]

FDA Head Walks Back Claim of Dramatic Benefit From Covid Therapy

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

FDA Head Walks Back Claim of Dramatic Benefit From Covid Therapy

Out of the many things that Trump has broken, I think that science might be the one that makes me the most sad.

For the rest of my life, when someone tries to argue that eating bleach-soaked nickles cures infections better than antibiotics (or whatever Gwyneth Paltro shit they read last week on the internet) , they will be able to point to this whole era to say that science is corrupted and politically motivated, so they reject my attempts to use science to convince them

and they will have a point

[PilotMan]

You know though, like we always have said, 'there's a tweet for everything', after trump, and his about face on so many different topics, there will always be a situation where you'll be able to point to something he said or did to refute an argument, and the response will be, 'that doesn't matter.'

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

What do you think it means that Independents are just as close to Rs as Ds here? I also think it's worth noting that Republicans are far more split. That would seem to contradict this narrative. There's a lot of what you describe going on, but those numbers also show a sizable minority of Republicans that are concerned about it.

all good points

to me, that means it's a jarring question... enough so that plenty of people are shaken from their predisposition (and yes, that's contrary to my rant, to a degree)... it feels kinda like an approve/disapprove question, but it's sharper-pointed... so even some of the Rs take a walk, I guess (more than just neverTrump Rs) and i suppose it splits true independents based on a variety of things

[RainMaker]

"One of the sex pics problems started when Jerry [Falwell] was sending some nudes of Becki to Ben and accidentally cc’d most of the executive staff of Liberty University." https://t.co/OVX5vQhyy3

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) August 24, 2020

[NobodyHere]

"Accidently".

Right.

[GrantDawg]

Pics or it didn't happen.

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[BillyMadison]

Anyone notice Lindsey Graham has laid really low lately? He's realllll quiet. Not part of the RNC despite being one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders in the Senate. I wonder if McConnell ordered him to basically in the lead up to his election since he's getting a legit challenge from Jaime Harrison....

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Pics or it didn't happen.

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You asked...

Falwell Jr. and Friends

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You asked...

Falwell Jr. and Friends

I am never going to give you up, JPhillips.



I have been thinking today (I know, I really shouldn't). The RNC last night seemed to be focused on the idea that the Dems have "enslaved" the AA vote. They are selling that Biden is this huge racist (and of course, Trump is not), and the Democrats want all Black people to be in bondage to the government.
What I can't get is how they think that is going to work. Biden was the candidate that was selected BY the AA vote. He won the nomination because they overwhelmingly voted for him. So, the GOP suggestion here is that AA's must be so dumb that there hand-picked candidate is racist? That's a winning strategy?

[Atocep]

I'm going to guess no one in the white house wants to tell Trump about last night's ratings.

Total viewership was down 25% from 2016 and 15% lower than the opening night of the DNC.

[lungs]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am never going to give you up, JPhillips.



I have been thinking today (I know, I really shouldn't). The RNC last night seemed to be focused on the idea that the Dems have "enslaved" the AA vote. They are selling that Biden is this huge racist (and of course, Trump is not), and the Democrats want all Black people to be in bondage to the government.
What I can't get is how they think that is going to work. Biden was the candidate that was selected BY the AA vote. He won the nomination because they overwhelmingly voted for him. So, the GOP suggestion here is that AA's must be so dumb that there hand-picked candidate is racist? That's a winning strategy?

He's not actually trying to get the AA vote. He's trying to make white people feel better about voting for him.

[JPhillips]

The GA Q supporting congressional nominee has been invited to the WH for Trump's speech.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I'm going to guess no one in the white house wants to tell Trump about last night's ratings.

Total viewership was down 25% from 2016 and 15% lower than the opening night of the DNC.

Things are just weird right now. People don't have time or energy for party infomercials.

I do think that the debates will not lose much ratings juice from 4 years ago.

Lots of people going to tune in hoping that the other team's guy does something stupid/senile.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You asked...

Falwell Jr. and Friends

Well played, sir.

[JPhillips]

A speaker at tonight's RNC encouraged her followers to read this thread earlier today:

Her tweet on Tuesday linked to a lengthy thread from a QAnon conspiracy theorist that laid out a fevered, anti-Semitic view of the world. In its telling, the Rothschilds—a famous Jewish banking family from Germany—created a plot to terrorize non-Jewish “goyim,” with purported details of their scheme that included plans to “make the goyim destroy each other” and “rob the goyim of their landed properties.”

Drawing on more than a century’s worth of anti-Semitic hoaxes and smears, the thread claimed that malevolent Jewish forces in the banking industry are out to enslave non-Jews and promote world wars. Riddled with QAnon references, the thread from Twitter user @WarNuse claimed that the Titanic had been sunk to protect the Federal Reserve, and that every president between John F. Kennedy and Donald Trump was a “slave president” in the thrall of a global cabal.

The thread also promoted “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” an anti-Semitic hoax popular in Nazi Germany, and claimed that its allegations about a Jewish plot to control the world are real.

“The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not a fabrication,” the thread that Mendoza shared reads. “And, it certainly is not anti-semetic (sic) to point out this fact.”

[cartman]

I'm still amazed that something that started out as shitposting on 4Chan blossomed into a full blown conspiracy theory.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by cartman

I'm still amazed that something that started out as shitposting on 4Chan blossomed into a full blown conspiracy theory.

It's not as amazing when you consider The_Donald was originally a joke subreddit that was taken over by Trump supporters that thought the shitposting was real.

[RainMaker]

So Pompeo is speaking from Israel to show support to Jews while the lady who spread literal Nazi propaganda speaks too. Getting mixed messages.

[GrantDawg]

The female Nazi got bumped. The woman that says that women shouldn't be allowed to vote is still on though.

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[RainMaker]

Always a tweet.

I will help Angel Mom (and great woman) Mary Ann Mendoza with Twitter. I know Mary Ann from the beginning, and she should never be silenced. She is a winner who has lost so much, her child. Twitter, if you’re watching, please do what you have to do, NOW! @foxandfriends

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 21, 2019