2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 54

sterlingice · 07-02-2009, 07:57 PM

So, uh, what's up with the Padres-Astros bee delay?

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larrymcg421 · 07-02-2009, 08:05 PM

Javier Vazquez just has the worst luck these days.

Carlos Beltran · 07-02-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

So, uh, what's up with the Padres-Astros bee delay?

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Killer Bee's from Mexico, glad I got the fuck out of there.

Atocep · 07-02-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And we'll throw in Reid Gorecki as a fourth outfielder" was in response to a comment about how it might take a couple of AAAA outfielders to get him (something I took as mostly joking) and was meant to poke fun at the sorry state of affairs with the Braves outfield options.

It was meant to both a joke about the Braves glut of AAAA outfielders along with a joke about the Nationals history of stockpiling outfielders. They just seem like a good match to make a deal for Dunn.

BishopMVP · 07-02-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

By payrolls you'd think so...

Yeah, but I'm looking for market size and revenue generation. According to JimGA's stats, they're effectively equal market size. Washington is negatively impacted by having the Orioles close by, but that's offset by the impact of politicians and lobbyists imo. Both are fairly transient cities with suspect fanbases. But apparently Atlanta is a much higher revenue generating team recently (4th-5th), so maybe they're actually a big market. Or it could be that success on the field translates to revenue generated.

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

you can't just keep flushing the team and starting over every 2, 3, or 5 years at rebuilding....Winning can help them develop and, in a sport where normalcy is conducive to the best results and getting too high or low in a 162 game season causes worse play, having a steadying veteran presence helps.

You can't just turn around a losing culture overnight....Does Washington have designs of doing anything more than losing 100 next year? If so, then you can't possibly look at him unless you're bowled over by an offer.

Steadying veteran presence? Culture of losing? The Florida Marlins have lost more than 84 games once this decade and are currently tied for 1st with a payroll $23 million less than the Nationals. Oakland, Tampa Bay and Minnesota are within $5 million of the Nats payroll, below what KC is spending. Go find a shortstop with an OPS over .600 (Julio Lugo is hitting again

) and stop making excuses. Count yourself lucky you play in a division where the 2 big market teams (Detroit and Chicago) have been mismanaged and an even smaller market has won 4 of the last 7 division titles.

Big Fo · 07-02-2009, 09:33 PM

Braves sweep the Phillies, they're going to play just well enough to keep my hopes up in this crappy division.

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

But apparently Atlanta is a much higher revenue generating team recently (4th-5th), so maybe they're actually a big market.

Is there a site that has all the teams ranked by revenue? I thought that info might not be made public or otherwise be hard to come by.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-02-2009, 09:39 PM

http://www.forbes.com/lists/results....y&passKeyword=

2005 info from Forbes.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-02-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Is there a site that has all the teams ranked by revenue? I thought that info might not be made public or otherwise be hard to come by.

Here's Forbes Magazine's 2008 version, using 2007 revenues.
The Business Of Baseball - Forbes.com

And here's a link to a site I don't recall ever seeing before but looked promising.
All manner of financial data compiled on teams back to the 50's, but I didn't really have the time or energy tonight to sort through what looked like a lot of Excel files.
http://www.rodneyfort.com/SportsData/BizFrame.htm

MrDNA · 07-02-2009, 11:43 PM

I haven't watched the Braves apart from them playing the Phils, but based on that I wouldn't be shocked to see them (or the Fish) take the division crown. Mets and Phils are both bleeding pretty bad.

sterlingice · 07-02-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlos Beltran

Killer Bee's from Mexico, glad I got the fuck out of there.

You know you're from Puerto Rico, right?

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larrymcg421 · 07-02-2009, 11:57 PM

Great victory for the Braves tonight. Getting the runner out at home on the wild pitch was great teamwork.

miked · 07-03-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Here's Forbes Magazine's 2008 version, using 2007 revenues.
The Business Of Baseball - Forbes.com

And here's a link to a site I don't recall ever seeing before but looked promising.
All manner of financial data compiled on teams back to the 50's, but I didn't really have the time or energy tonight to sort through what looked like a lot of Excel files.
http://www.rodneyfort.com/SportsData/BizFrame.htm

Wow, according to that, WAS is the most profitable in the league with FLA close behind. There ya go, spend nothing, put a crappy product on the field, make money.

MrDNA · 07-03-2009, 08:48 AM

Hey guys!! Hey guys!!! Didja hear?! MANNY'S BACK! Let's not talk about anything else for the rest of this thread, OK?

Big Fo · 07-03-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Here's Forbes Magazine's 2008 version, using 2007 revenues.
The Business Of Baseball - Forbes.com

And here's a link to a site I don't recall ever seeing before but looked promising.
All manner of financial data compiled on teams back to the 50's, but I didn't really have the time or energy tonight to sort through what looked like a lot of Excel files.
Sports Business Pages

The latter site has the Forbes lists with a little more detail. In 2007 the Braves were 18th in gate receipts but they were second in "other revenue" (only $4m behind NYY) which put them seventh overall. From 2003-07 they are in the top three in other revenue every year, usually behind the two NY teams. The 2001 Forbes post breaks down TV revenue by team and Atlanta was doing quite well compared to most clubs then, perhaps that is still the case today and where part of their high other revenue comes from. Cool link.

It all supports the notion that the Braves should have spent a few extra million to land Abreu or Dunn this winter.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-03-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

The 2001 Forbes post breaks down TV revenue by team and Atlanta was doing quite well compared to most clubs then, perhaps that is still the case today and where part of their high other revenue comes from.

Their TV revenue will likely be down after 2007 however, as their contract with (previously) co-owned TBS expired and was not renewed as TBS opted to move strictly to national games. That left the Braves to make a deal with FSN as well as putting together a local package on their own. Most accounts of that at the time (and common sense really) indicate that the Braves would be losing a chunk of TV revenue once TBS left the picture.

RainMaker · 07-03-2009, 11:36 AM

I think the team revenues can be deceiving as many teams own portions of the networks they broadcast their games on and can play around with the numbers. The Cubs for instance were historically known for having WGN and such grossly underpay for the rights to Cubs games. I'm sure those same games are played with the YES network and everyone else.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 07:43 PM

Scotty Pods ownes Zack Greinke so badly.

comes into tonites game 13-27 against him, and procedes to go 2-2 his first 2 at bats to raise his average against him to .517 lol.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 07:51 PM

dola , woot 3-0 chisox against greinke in the top of the 3rd so far

Schmidty · 07-03-2009, 07:57 PM

Tigers walloping Slowey and the Twins 6-0 after 3. This series is big. Hopefully the Royals will come back in that game.

JPhillips · 07-03-2009, 07:59 PM

Maybe Homer Bailey has finally put things together. He's been a beast tonight against the Cards.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-03-2009, 08:03 PM

Welcome to the Braves Brooks Conrad.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 08:09 PM

Rbi single by wise makes it 4-0 sox in the 4th... but Pods is up again , and yep its another base hit lol 3-3 for against Greinke

MizzouRah · 07-03-2009, 08:40 PM

Watching Pujols bat is such a treat. 4-3 Cards on his GS

Cincy ties it up in the bot of the 8th

Schmidty · 07-03-2009, 09:08 PM

Tigers bullpen blows it, and now it's tied. Miner fucking sucks. Leland's an idiot - French was doing pretty well, but he pulls him after he gets a big strike out in the 4th. I fucking hate Leland.

miked · 07-03-2009, 09:18 PM

Francoeur pulled for a pinch hitter. His OPS+ is now 65 or so, and he's played in nearly every Braves game. I believe he's on pace for another 650 AB worthless season. Dunn showcased himself for a potential suitor with a HR and 2 BB.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 09:23 PM

Pujols really is a machine, they need to test him for aluminum, not roids.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 09:24 PM

Dola, John Danks pitched 7.1 of shut out ball, its 5-0 sox top of 9th

MizzouRah · 07-03-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Pujols really is a machine, they need to test him for aluminum, not roids.

It really surprises me teams still pitch to him.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 09:50 PM

yea for real... I can see some situations, but either the managers are just stupid. or the pitchers melt when they see him at the plate lol

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 09:51 PM

Dola and White Sox win 5-0 . On a good roll now. 7 in a row.

Schmidty · 07-03-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

It really surprises me teams still pitch to him.

I don't remember the Tigers pitching to him one time in their series this year.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2009, 10:20 PM

Giants have 13 runs.... In the 3rd inning. This is on par with a Vatican-approved miracle.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 10:52 PM

MANNYS 0-3 OMG THE WORLDZ IS ENDINGS

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Giants have 13 runs.... In the 3rd inning. This is on par with a Vatican-approved miracle.

but who is this Sadowski kid, he apparently hasn't allowed a run for his first 12 innings of his ML career including tonite. highly touted?

MizzouRah · 07-03-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I don't remember the Tigers pitching to him one time in their series this year.

June 16th.. I was at the game.. Pujols hit one right by where we were sitting, just to the right of Big Mac land.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

but who is this Sadowski kid, he apparently hasn't allowed a run for his first 12 innings of his ML career including tonite. highly touted?

Not in the least - he's a minor league scrub on a hot streak. Think Aaron Small for the Yankees a couple of years ago. Still, fun while it lasts.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Not in the least - he's a minor league scrub on a hot streak. Think Aaron Small for the Yankees a couple of years ago. Still, fun while it lasts.

Ahh okay. I was gonna say don't the Giants already have one of the better staffs in the league, I guess it just rubs off on whoever they throw next. thats cool though. He does seem to have decent control fwiw.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Ahh okay. I was gonna say don't the Giants already have one of the better staffs in the league, I guess it just rubs off on whoever they throw next. thats cool though. He does seem to have decent control fwiw.

They also have the best pitching prospect in baseball in Madison Bumgarner, who's 19 years old in AA with a 1.70ERA, and Tim Alderson. The team can't produce a hitter (Kung Fu Panda notwithstanding), but they grow pitching like the Braves West.

DeToxRox · 07-04-2009, 12:11 AM

Pretty fun 16 inning affair in Minnesota. Detroit is up 11-8, with the Twins up to bat. There is one on, one out and Morneau is at the dish.

Schmidty · 07-04-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Pretty fun 16 inning affair in Minnesota. Detroit is up 11-8, with the Twins up to bat. There is one on, one out and Morneau is at the dish.

Dolsi sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he blows it.

DeToxRox · 07-04-2009, 12:13 AM

Morneau doubles. Runners on 2nd and 3rd. Armando Galarraga is up in the pen as Detroit has used every available reliever.

DeToxRox · 07-04-2009, 12:18 AM

And Crede grounds out to end it in 16.

Schmidty · 07-04-2009, 12:18 AM

It's a miracle. Can't believe that the Tigers won that. What a piece of crap game. Leyland isn't a good manager.

RedKingGold · 07-04-2009, 01:20 AM

Philadelphia takes the first game in a series between two minor league teams.

Rodrigo Lopez? That's what this has come down to?

Logan · 07-04-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Philadelphia takes the first game in a series between two minor league teams.

Rodrigo Lopez? That's what this has come down to?

Both teams should just quit.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-04-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Rodrigo Lopez? That's what this has come down to?

I believe the answer to that would be: Yes.

From the "did you know?" file

That Lopez ERA last season (4.42) in 14 starts with Colorado is lower than the ERA of the top four starters on the Phils so far this season?
Or that his OPS against (770) from last season is more than 40 points better than the Phillies team OPS this year?

Yeah, it's come to that. He actually represents an upgrade to their current staff (which I'll admit I didn't realize was as truly woeful as it is)

larrymcg421 · 07-04-2009, 11:11 AM

Random meaningless bit of trivia:

Braves have the same record as they did at the same point in 1991.

Big Fo · 07-04-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Random meaningless bit of trivia:

Braves have the same record as they did at the same point in 1991.

BELIEVE

larrymcg421 · 07-04-2009, 11:15 AM

Maybe it just means one of our outfielders is about to get suspended for a positive drug test.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-04-2009, 11:17 AM

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Maybe it just means one of our outfielders is about to get suspended for a positive drug test.

What? You mean Anderson needed chemical help in order to suddenly pass a mirror test?

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07-03-2009, 11:36 AM	#2666
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07-03-2009, 07:43 PM	#2667
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Scotty Pods ownes Zack Greinke so badly. comes into tonites game 13-27 against him, and procedes to go 2-2 his first 2 at bats to raise his average against him to .517 lol.

07-03-2009, 07:51 PM	#2668
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	dola , woot 3-0 chisox against greinke in the top of the 3rd so far

07-03-2009, 07:57 PM	#2669
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07-03-2009, 08:09 PM	#2672
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Rbi single by wise makes it 4-0 sox in the 4th... but Pods is up again , and yep its another base hit lol 3-3 for against Greinke

07-03-2009, 08:40 PM	#2673
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Watching Pujols bat is such a treat. 4-3 Cards on his GS Cincy ties it up in the bot of the 8th

07-03-2009, 09:08 PM	#2674
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Tigers bullpen blows it, and now it's tied. Miner fucking sucks. Leland's an idiot - French was doing pretty well, but he pulls him after he gets a big strike out in the 4th. I fucking hate Leland. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-03-2009, 09:18 PM	#2675
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07-03-2009, 09:23 PM	#2676
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Pujols really is a machine, they need to test him for aluminum, not roids.

07-03-2009, 09:24 PM	#2677
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Dola, John Danks pitched 7.1 of shut out ball, its 5-0 sox top of 9th

07-03-2009, 09:50 PM	#2679
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	yea for real... I can see some situations, but either the managers are just stupid. or the pitchers melt when they see him at the plate lol

07-03-2009, 09:51 PM	#2680
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Dola and White Sox win 5-0 . On a good roll now. 7 in a row.

07-03-2009, 10:20 PM	#2682
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Giants have 13 runs.... In the 3rd inning. This is on par with a Vatican-approved miracle.

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k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	MANNYS 0-3 OMG THE WORLDZ IS ENDINGS

07-04-2009, 12:11 AM	#2689
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Pretty fun 16 inning affair in Minnesota. Detroit is up 11-8, with the Twins up to bat. There is one on, one out and Morneau is at the dish.

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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Morneau doubles. Runners on 2nd and 3rd. Armando Galarraga is up in the pen as Detroit has used every available reliever.

07-04-2009, 12:18 AM	#2692
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07-04-2009, 01:20 AM	#2694
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Philadelphia takes the first game in a series between two minor league teams. Rodrigo Lopez? That's what this has come down to?

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