Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Ironhead]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Tyrith: I think we've seen pretty clearly that the top lawyer swings 3 votes. How is anything gained?

Keep in mind that the top lawyer swung 3 votes in defense of Coffee Warlord. The vote swing will vary, according to the rules, depending on whether the person is actually innocent or guilty. Up to now we have nothing to judge Coffee Warlord's defense against.

[Lorena]

So who should I scan? I strongly feel CW or Anxeity should be scanned, dunno which one. I'm still scratching my head over why Anxiety scanned Kwhit again.

And what happens if they KNOW they're getting scanned? Do they not send in for a kill? I'm a little hesitant to even mention who to scan out of fear that they won't do anything to come up "clean" (or as my PM states, "evidence of wrongdoing").

[Poli]

DC, Go with either of them. I would love to hear more about either.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

I would personally advise against any hedging of bets, as to me it would be VERY suspicious. It would seem like a wolf trying to save their companion by hiding behind the defense of helping the village. Even if we do kill Dodgerchick and she turns up innocent I am sure we can glean some information from Ardent's defense of her. I imagine the message would be something like "Ardent fought hard for Dodgerchick's life, changing X senator's minds but it wasn't enough." It isn't going to be "Arden't doesn't bother defending her because it is a landslide. Her death one way or another will provide us information and hopefully get us out of this stalemate and feeling of cluelessness. If this turns into a wasted day (no lynch, no information) because of hedged votes I will be pretty frustrated.

That's a good point, we may get a useful message either way. I guess I was hoping to avoid killing an innocent. If we could get just enough votes ot barely execute her, then hopefully if she was guilty she'd get thrown, if not the lawyer woudl save her. But I suppose that's asking a lot of a mechanic we know little about.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So who should I scan? I strongly feel CW or Anxeity should be scanned, dunno which one. I'm still scratching my head over why Anxiety scanned Kwhit again.

And what happens if they KNOW they're getting scanned? Do they not send in for a kill? I'm a little hesitant to even mention who to scan out of fear that they won't do anything to come up "clean" (or as my PM states, "evidence of wrongdoing").

I think that if the scan depends on them actively doing something treasonous then we're completely screwed in this game. So I'm going to assume that it's a basic loyalty check.

[Autumn]

And by the way I support scanning either of those. Coffeeus coming up clean would lend some light on Kayus's loyalty as well, so that would be useful.

[Poli]

Going to watch "Drive", I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Tyrith: I think we've seen pretty clearly that the top lawyer swings 3 votes. How is anything gained?

We saw that...once? How is that clear?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE EXECUTE DODGERCHICK

the case has been pretty well laid out, and I don't feel like restating it

[Autumn]

I'm not content leaving the wealth to a group of people who may be traitors. So I'm going to make some lawsuits on the wealthiest bunch.

[b]I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
I SUE KAYUS WHITUS
I SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS
I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
I SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS/B]

[Autumn]

Or rather

I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
I SUE KAYUS WHITUS
I SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS
I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
I SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS

[Lorena]

Well, I submitted my PM.

I dunno if I can sue people while I'm in jail, but in case I can:

Dodgus Erickus sues Ardentus Enthusiastus
Dodgus Erickus sues Kayus Whitus
Dodgus Erickus sues Abeus Anxietus
Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus
Dodgus Erickus sues Autumus Leavus

If I can't sue from prison, scratch that. I'm going to bed if I'm out of the game, I hope ya'll gained the information you wanted.

[Ironhead]

Autumn - I have sent in my arrest order for one of the people on the list I provided earlier.

[Autumn]

Ironus Headus, you wanted some input on yoru arrest choices. I think Daddyus Torgus has drawn the most suspicion of the group. Mustangus and Chubbus have evaded my radar somewhat by coming in part way through the game. I wouldn't have much to build a case on on them, but I certainly have had my suspicions about them.

I may have missed it, but I don't have much service bid history for any of them, which strikes me as curious. I think the traitors must have some people off the radar on the service map.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Autumn

It seems to me that a good traitor strategy would be, as I mentioned above, lock up the lawyers and waste their scans. That turns my suspicion on Dodgerus, as everyone else has been saying. It also turns it on Abeus Anxietus, who scanned someone who had already been scanned.

Bodyguards would be anohter pivotal one for the traitors, but less so since there are so many targets in this game they could hope we'd guard the wrong person.

I'd like to look over the records for lawyer and killer bids if someone has a good one.

1. There is the possibility to convert we think, in teh game.
2. I'm unconvinced that the scan tells us who's a Tarq, but rather,m who has done illegal activity. That's how it was presented to me. Not all tarqs may have had their hands dirty way back on Day two, but may now.
3. I asked the group who they considered to be pseudo-cleared, before I submitted my scan action, and KWhit's name never arose. If people had felt KWhit was truly sorta-cleared, then they should ahve said seomthing in the several hours between me asking my question and the deadline.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Autumn - I have sent in my arrest order for one of the people on the list I provided earlier.

Great. Ignore my meager input then. I have also submitted an arrest order, for someone not on your list. So we should have pulled this one off ;-)

[DaddyTorgo]

I havn't bid on anything, cept one time I bid on the ladies, cuz i'm so poor I just figured the odds of me getting it are so low, plus i'm so damm confused

[Ironhead]

I am going to start doing my taxes now so that Uncle Sam doesn't come and arrest ME. I will be back after deadline.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

1. There is the possibility to convert we think, in teh game.
2. I'm unconvinced that the scan tells us who's a Tarq, but rather,m who has done illegal activity. That's how it was presented to me. Not all tarqs may have had their hands dirty way back on Day two, but may now.
3. I asked the group who they considered to be pseudo-cleared, before I submitted my scan action, and KWhit's name never arose. If people had felt KWhit was truly sorta-cleared, then they should ahve said seomthing in the several hours between me asking my question and the deadline.

That's certainly a reasonable response, just as I can imagine that Dodgerchick had reasonable reasons to scan the people she did. The fact is though that this far into the game we have pretty much nothing to go by to pin a traitor. The best I can think of is to consider a strong strategy the traitors might have used and see if it fits anyone. They're obviously doing something that works.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, since I have every motivation to reamin wealthy, and I'm getting double sued

Abeus sueth the following:

Mustang
DaddyTorgo
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelveus

I already beat the first two and the second two are on my level.


Just keep me away from KWhit.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I still have a hard time seeing Dodgerus CHickus as a traitor. It doesn't make much sense. If she is a traitor then we have to consider her use of services. Either:

1) She's been telloing the truth about the services she obtained. The use of the sex slaves was confirmed by Ironus Headus. If she was a traitor why would she choose to scan AlanT, myself and Swaggus and confirm us as loyal? I know I actually am loyal, and the others were killed by poison.

2) She's been lying about her service bids (either in league with Ironhead or only lying about the lawyer bids). She was using her bids for other services or using the lawyers in ohter ways, but pretending to use the lawyer scan on the above people.

Pretending to use the lawyer, but actually bidding on other services would be a devious traitor route to go, certainly. But if so, why scan and confirm loyalty for three people who actually are loyal? Woudln't it be much smarter to cast doubt on some loyal people and confuse us, or confirm some traitors as loyal? That seems too ridiculous a move by a wolf to believe.

That would have to be either a move to make us trust her, or just poor play. Given how well the traitors are doing, I don't believe they're playing poorly. And why would the traitors waste the wealthiest Roman on all this just to trick us?

I'm going to vote to free Dodgerchick. I think there's too much evidence showing that she's been playing on the loyal side. Yes, I wish she had done other things with some of her bids. But if she's scanned three loyal people, and blocked a player with the killer as her moves, she must be the worst traitor ever!

Barkeepus I don't have a strong sense on. I've suspected him at times. I don't have strong evidence, as I do with Dodgerus Chickus, that he's loyal. So I am going to vote EXECUTE BARKEEPUS unless I see some strong evidence in his favor.

This is a perfect example of a vote that is easy to miss.

[Autumn]

Sorry about that, I mean to space it out but obviously forgot.

[Abe Sargent]

ST. CRONIN SMASH

[Abe Sargent]

Wish I knew how to make my words bigger.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well I'm saddened but not surprised to see Peregrine still put me in jail.

Have to tell you I'm a little nervous that Narcizo has so much power, being the second best lawyer and tribune of the plebs. Not to mention tribune of the plebs seems to be a temporary position as of late, so maybe I don't have anything to fear from that power after all.

Anyhow obligatory Toss DC over the cliff because I sure don't want it to be me.

Here's another, which I actually did miss first time through - I only found it because I assumed BK MUST have voted for DC, but didn't have it.

current vote count:

12 - Dodgerchick - Barkeep (2335), Narcizo (2411), Ardent (2419), Grammaticus (2425), Chief Rum (2432), Coffee Warlord (2471), Anxiety (2514), path12 (2518), Ironhead (2523), Passacaglia (2526), Mustang (2528), DaddyTorgo (2559)

3 - Barkeep - Autumn (2442), Dodgerchick (2474), Tyrith (2538)

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Wish I knew how to make my words bigger.

GO ADVANCED.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

ST. CRONIN SMASH

[Barkeep49]

Can we get a vote count cronin?

[st.cronin]

see post 2575

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

That's a simile I haven't heard before. I like that. I plan to use it.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

My other suspects are DT, Mustang and Chubby. Anyone have any input?

Suspicious list or Trusted list, I think it has been established that any suspect list containing myself should contain Pass...

[Mustang]

Mustang sues the following

Mustang sues Ardentus Enthusiastus
Mustang sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang sues Dodgeus Erchickus-
Mustang sues Passus Caglius
Mustang sues Pathus Twelveus
Mustang sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus-
Mustang sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-
Mustang sues Grammus Atticus-
Mustang sues Ironus Headus
Mustang sues Narcizus Lispus
Mustang sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang sues Chiefus Rumus-
Mustang sues Chubbus Chubbus
Mustang sues Daddus Torgous
Mustang sues Tyrus Ithus

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues Mustang because he feels like it

[path12]

Fine. If people are suing me for no reason but my own hard-earned wealth then:

PATHUS TWELVUS SUES:

DADDYUS TORGOUS
PASSUS CAGLIUS
IRONUS HEADUS
MUSTANGUS WHATEVERUS
CHUBBUS CHUBBUS

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE EXECUTE DODGERCHICK
VOTE FREE DODGERCHICK

I just read autumm's post, and it made some sense

[Poli]

UNVOTE EXECUTE DC
VOTE EXECUTE BK

Let's see what this does.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Tyrith sues Mustang because he feels like it

Pretty much why I sued you.

[DaddyTorgo]

suing me path? you're not going to find much $$ there

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

UNVOTE EXECUTE DODGERCHICK
VOTE FREE DODGERCHICK

I just read autumm's post, and it made some sense

I've been fliip flopping on it, so I don't know which one you read. But remember if you don't vote for Barkeepus, then it will count as abstaining.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Pretty much why I sued you.

Story of the legal system

[DaddyTorgo]

VOte execute barkeep

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

didn't wanna be seen as abstaining

[Poli]

Wow. Nice timing.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

Unless I have made an error, the courts have no lawsuits to hear today. The lawsuits made today will be heard tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

services pms coming

[Poli]

Ardent sues everyone. Again.

This assumes, of course, start of the new day.

[st.cronin]

The following are the votes for execution:

10 - Dodgerchick - Barkeep (2335), Narcizo (2411), Grammaticus (2425), Chief Rum (2432), Coffee Warlord (2471), Anxiety (2514), path12 (2518), Ironhead (2523), Passacaglia (2526), Mustang (2528),

5 - Barkeep - Autumn (2442), Dodgerchick (2474), Tyrith (2538), Ardent (2586), DaddyTorgo (2591)

Dodgeus Erchickus insists that you must hear from her attorney, Ardentus Enthusiastus. You all wait around, but he never shows up. Thus she is pronounced guilty, and hurled from the rock.

[DaddyTorgo]

poop!

between anxiety and me, I know i'm innocent. That much I know. I don't feel strongly about anxiety being guilty either FWIW

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The following are the votes for execution:

10 - Dodgerchick - Barkeep (2335), Narcizo (2411), Grammaticus (2425), Chief Rum (2432), Coffee Warlord (2471), Anxiety (2514), path12 (2518), Ironhead (2523), Passacaglia (2526), Mustang (2528),

5 - Barkeep - Autumn (2442), Dodgerchick (2474), Tyrith (2538), Ardent (2586), DaddyTorgo (2591)

Dodgeus Erchickus insists that you must hear from her attorney, Ardentus Enthusiastus. You all wait around, but he never shows up. Thus she is pronounced guilty, and hurled from the rock.

Wow, what happened there? Perhaps she was lying about the lawyer? Or did someone send the sex slaves to him?