2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 51

samifan24 · 06-27-2009, 10:08 PM

Mark DeRosa to the Cards for Chris Perez and a "significant" PTBNL. I'm sad to see him go but happy to get Perez and whatever player arrives after the season (I imagine the PTBNL the Indians can choose depends on the Cards success this season).

Chief Rum · 06-28-2009, 03:37 AM

Some might say it was only a matter of time. I'll just say, happy it finally happened.

The Angels are in first place in the AL West alone after a long and turbulent trek to get here. Hopefully they keep the spot (and sorry Tasan).

Atocep · 06-28-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Mark DeRosa to the Cards for Chris Perez and a "significant" PTBNL. I'm sad to see him go but happy to get Perez and whatever player arrives after the season (I imagine the PTBNL the Indians can choose depends on the Cards success this season).

Good move by the Indians. Chris Perez alone is more than they should have gotten for DeRosa.

larrymcg421 · 06-28-2009, 03:35 PM

Braves trying to blow one here.

MrDNA · 06-28-2009, 05:33 PM

Phillies take a series for the first time in... er... 5 series I think? Jamie Moyer passes Bob Gibson on the all-time wins list (seriously? Bob friggin Gibson!)

RedKingGold · 06-28-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Phillies take a series for the first time in... er... 5 series I think? Jamie Moyer passes Bob Gibson on the all-time wins list (seriously? Bob friggin Gibson!)

Lidge is back baby!*

*Meaning he will now promptly blow five straight saves.

MizzouRah · 06-28-2009, 06:30 PM

I thought the DeRosa trade was a great trade for the Cardinals.

Crapshoot · 06-28-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I thought the DeRosa trade was a great trade for the Cardinals.

Its a win-now trade, and DeRosa is a solid player who can fill in gaps everywhere; it certainly gives them a lot more flexibility. I think Perez has closer-talent, but if they haven't given up a Brett Wallace, I think its probably worth it for the Cardinals, with the understanding that they will get a pick or two at season's end.

Jas_lov · 06-28-2009, 10:17 PM

Mariano Rivera is 3 outs away from his 500th save against the injury ravaged Mets lineup.

Jas_lov · 06-28-2009, 10:37 PM

K-Rod walks Mariano Rivera and the Yankees get an insurance run! LOL K-Rod

Lathum · 06-28-2009, 10:42 PM

I hate the Yankees with a passion but seeing their reaction to Mariano's RBI was good stuff.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-28-2009, 10:49 PM

Jerry Manuel should have been instantly fired the moment that first pitch to Mo was a strike.

Lathum · 06-28-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Jerry Manuel should have been instantly fired the moment that first pitch to Mo was a strike.

I think you mean Jeter

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-28-2009, 11:08 PM

Yah. No reason to pitch to Jeter whatsoever.

Lathum · 06-28-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Yah. No reason to pitch to Jeter whatsoever.

I agree, was watching the game with my father in law, also a big Mets fan, and we both just shook our heads.

Atocep · 06-28-2009, 11:36 PM

Jerry did a great job getting the players to play hard last season after Randolph was fired, but tactically he's overmatched every day they're our there.

Jas_lov · 06-28-2009, 11:36 PM

Everybody and Joe Morgan knew that Rivera was going to stay in to pitch the 9th so he would have to bat. That is, everybody except Jerry Manuel who lost a battle of wits to Joe Girardi. I can't believe he's a major league manager.

RedKingGold · 06-29-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Jerry did a great job getting the players to play hard last season after Randolph was fired, but tactically he's overmatched every day they're our there.

Meh, not sure if tactics really matter much. You won't hear anyone gush over Charlie Manuel's tactics, yet he won a Series.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-29-2009, 07:09 AM

Another good start for Greinke yesterday. Rain-shortened, but he picked up his 10th win despite only three runs by KC in support.

MrDNA · 06-29-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Another good start for Greinke yesterday. Rain-shortened, but he picked up his 10th win despite only three runs by KC in support.

When you're talking KC and run support, can you really say only three runs?

Fighter of Foo · 06-29-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Jerry Manuel should have been instantly fired the moment that first pitch to Mo was a strike.

I'm confused. Why?

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2009, 11:47 AM

Javier Vazquez would LOVE three runs. He's only gotten that many once in his last 7 starts. (2, 2, 0, 1, 3, 2, 0).

Jas_lov · 06-29-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

I'm confused. Why?

He's talking about throwing a strike to Jeter, not Mo. Mariano Rivera was due up after Jeter with 2 men on and 2 out so logic says you walk the .300 hitter and pitch to the guy with 2 career ABs. K-Rod threw a 1st pitch strike to Jeter anyway then threw 2 balls way outside and finally they figured it out and intentionally walked him.

DaddyTorgo · 06-29-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Javier Vazquez would LOVE three runs. He's only gotten that many once in his last 7 starts. (2, 2, 0, 1, 3, 2, 0).

Which is criminal. I watched him in his last start against the Sox and he was ON. Filthy. But with no run support how can he ever hope to win?

RomaGoth · 06-29-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Jerry Manuel should have been instantly fired the moment that first pitch to Jeter was a strike.

fixed...

...and yes, he should have been.

gstelmack · 06-29-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think you mean Jeter

Thanks everyone, I was trying to figure out why Lathum wanted Jeter fired over this...

DaddyTorgo · 06-29-2009, 12:14 PM

dude...he's "Captain America" - you can't fire him!

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2009, 12:16 PM

I think the point we're all missing here is that a relief pitcher was forced to bat due to the "stupid NL rule" and the world didn't come crashing down.

gstelmack · 06-29-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I think the point we're all missing here is that a relief pitcher was forced to bat due to the "stupid NL rule" and the world didn't come crashing down.

Or the point is K-Rod is so bad he actually WALKED said relief pitcher to let in a run...

DaddyTorgo · 06-29-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Or the point is K-Rod is so bad he actually WALKED said relief pitcher to let in a run...

yeah...seriously

Chief Rum · 06-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I think the point we're all missing here is that a relief pitcher was forced to bat due to the "stupid NL rule" and the world didn't come crashing down.

What stupid NL rule?

Atocep · 06-29-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Meh, not sure if tactics really matter much. You won't hear anyone gush over Charlie Manuel's tactics, yet he won a Series.

Managers are probably good for a game or 2 on each side throughout the season and as a Met fan I'll never minimize the importance of a game or two again as long as I live.

stevew · 06-29-2009, 03:39 PM

the ban on the DH-

Hank Steinbrenner and Cito Gaston said it's a bad rule, so it must be.

MikeVic · 06-29-2009, 03:49 PM

Are you bad-mouthing Cito Gaston!

Ksyrup · 06-29-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

the ban on the DH-

Hank Steinbrenner and Cito Gaston said it's a bad rule, so it must be.

I think we have this wrong...the NL didn't "ban" the DH. The DH came in after the long-held rule that pitchers must hit. The AL created and instituted that rule. The NL has chosen not to implement it. There is no ban on the DH.

stevew · 06-29-2009, 04:18 PM

It was made in jest.

kingfc22 · 06-29-2009, 08:51 PM

Lincecum has just flat out shut the Cards down tonight.

miami_fan · 06-29-2009, 09:13 PM

It it just me or have there been more dropped popups this year?

MizzouRah · 06-29-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Lincecum has just flat out shut the Cards down tonight.

He is fun to watch.

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2009, 10:21 PM

Okay, I thought I understood the save rules, but apparently not. I thought a 3 run difference was the max for a save. So how did Papelbon get a save tonight by getting the final out in a 4-0 game?

DeToxRox · 06-29-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Okay, I thought I understood the save rules, but apparently not. I thought a 3 run difference was the max for a save. So how did Papelbon get a save tonight by getting the final out in a 4-0 game?

Were the bases loaded?

DaddyTorgo · 06-29-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Okay, I thought I understood the save rules, but apparently not. I thought a 3 run difference was the max for a save. So how did Papelbon get a save tonight by getting the final out in a 4-0 game?

tying run on deck?

i dunno...didn't watch the game

henry296 · 06-29-2009, 10:24 PM

I think if the tying run is in the on-deck circle you can get a save.

DaddyTorgo · 06-29-2009, 10:25 PM

yeah

and

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Originally Posted by espn.com

Papelbon got the final out with two on to earn his 132nd career save

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2009, 10:35 PM

Wow, that's stupid. The tying run should at least have to be at the plate.

k0ruptr · 06-29-2009, 10:51 PM

Gavin Floyd 7th straight QS.. sweet

Crapshoot · 06-29-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

He is fun to watch.

Timmah vs. Pujols is like Bonds. vs. Gagne; must see-TV. I'd call tonight for Timmy, but 1/3 against him is a pretty good night.

Ksyrup · 06-30-2009, 06:34 AM

I believe Trevor Hoffman also got a save tonight with a 4-run lead.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-30-2009, 08:00 AM

Wow, perhaps we Royals fans gave up on Luke Hochevar a bit too early. He ended June with a 2.94 ERA in 5 starts. Gave up 5 hits over 14 innings in his last two starts.

miked · 06-30-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I believe Trevor Hoffman also got a save tonight with a 4-run lead.

Each runner on base counts as a run. You can be ahead by as many outs as you are ahead to get a save. If you have a 2-run lead and nobody on, you can get a 2-out save. For the Brewers game, there was one out, 2 on, and a 4 run lead. The 2 runners on count as runs for save scoring purposes...so when he came in, there was a "2-run" lead with 2 outs needed. It's pretty dumb, but if you come in with the bases loaded and a 4 run lead with 2 outs, I think you can get a save.

06-27-2009, 10:08 PM	#2501
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Mark DeRosa to the Cards for Chris Perez and a "significant" PTBNL. I'm sad to see him go but happy to get Perez and whatever player arrives after the season (I imagine the PTBNL the Indians can choose depends on the Cards success this season). __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

06-28-2009, 03:37 AM	#2502
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06-28-2009, 06:30 PM	#2507
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06-28-2009, 10:17 PM	#2509
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Mariano Rivera is 3 outs away from his 500th save against the injury ravaged Mets lineup.

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I hate the Yankees with a passion but seeing their reaction to Mariano's RBI was good stuff.

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06-28-2009, 11:36 PM	#2517
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Everybody and Joe Morgan knew that Rivera was going to stay in to pitch the 9th so he would have to bat. That is, everybody except Jerry Manuel who lost a battle of wits to Joe Girardi. I can't believe he's a major league manager.

06-29-2009, 07:09 AM	#2519
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Another good start for Greinke yesterday. Rain-shortened, but he picked up his 10th win despite only three runs by KC in support.

06-29-2009, 11:47 AM	#2522
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06-29-2009, 12:16 PM	#2528
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06-29-2009, 10:21 PM	#2540
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Okay, I thought I understood the save rules, but apparently not. I thought a 3 run difference was the max for a save. So how did Papelbon get a save tonight by getting the final out in a 4-0 game? __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

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06-29-2009, 10:35 PM	#2545
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