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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
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03-25-2015, 08:07 AM | #25101 | |
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Israel is a huge part of the problem with our foreign policy and the story you link disgusts me. However at the risk of giving a canned response that is given to me all the time in this thread... You don't think this happens all the time? My guess is the United States meddles in every country in the world's governments from Russia and China all the way down to Monaco and Liechtenstein. |
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03-25-2015, 08:12 AM | #25102 |
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The article explains the problem. Nobody is that upset by the spying, it happens and we do it too. The problem is the sharing of the fruits of the spying with domestic opposition for the express purpose of undermining the foreign policy of the President. That really is above and beyond what everyone is doing.
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03-25-2015, 08:43 AM | #25103 | |
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I read the article and don't disagree with the outrage but am also not naive enough to think that the United States doesn't do the exact same thing (not just with another nation's foreign policy but undermining entire elections) all over the world. It seems like there is a 40-50 year time frame in which we actually admit to things and if we were doing this all the time in the 60's-70's why exactly has it stopped in 2015? |
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03-25-2015, 08:59 AM | #25104 | |
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We should only be in the business of ensuring fair elections...and vice versa. So at face value, I'm none to pleased with this either. |
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03-25-2015, 09:40 AM | #25105 | |
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I'd be very surprised if we were doing that sort of thing to allies.
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03-25-2015, 12:04 PM | #25106 | |
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I thought Israel accused the Obama admin of doing it this year? And you really don't think we do it all the time in almost every country in the world? I don't know what is more tin foil... my thought that this happens all the time or you thinking that it doesn't. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Election...st-poll-390925 The Inside Story of U.S. Meddling in Israel’s Elections - The Daily Beast |
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03-25-2015, 12:32 PM | #25107 |
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Wait... so you think that the US really gives info that we've received from espionage to our allies' domestic opponents?
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03-25-2015, 12:44 PM | #25108 | |
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The "domestic opponents" thing is a little confusing because these are elected legislators who are a part of the government, so I see it more like using espionage to meddle in a country's politics and support one policy over another, in this case to the detriment those in power in the executive branch. And ya, I'm sure we've done that. What if France used espionage to embolden opposition to the Iraq war in Congress during George W Bush's presidency? A lot of Republicans would no doubt think that was an act of war, but I think a lot of Democrats and war opponents wouldn't be so upset. It's politics. Last edited by molson : 03-25-2015 at 12:46 PM. |
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03-25-2015, 01:02 PM | #25109 | |
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I'd be very surprised -- to the point of almost being disappointed even -- if we weren't doing it from time to time.
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03-25-2015, 01:03 PM | #25110 | |
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In every case? Nah. In certain situations? Absolutely.
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03-25-2015, 02:10 PM | #25111 |
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03-25-2015, 02:21 PM | #25112 | |
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I'm sure we support opposition parties both during and after elections, especially since it's now hard to tell the difference between campaign operative and government advisor, but that's a big step away from sharing espionage with the opposition. I really don't know of a time where that's been documented.
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03-26-2015, 06:40 AM | #25113 | ||
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Obama helping out SA and Iraq again. I think the right moves.
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03-26-2015, 12:17 PM | #25114 |
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This is why I believe Rand Paul is a fraud:
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03-27-2015, 08:57 AM | #25115 | |
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Yes. More politician than his dad. One could argue in just 6 years he has become a much bigger player than his dad in the GOP but even if nominated somehow by the GOP he doesn't have my vote. |
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03-27-2015, 09:48 AM | #25116 |
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Ran Paul is a LINO. From his tax plan/reform flip flopping to the defense spending increase, he can't call himself a libertarian.
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03-27-2015, 10:02 AM | #25117 |
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You can't really get all that far if you are a real libertarian. Rand Paul is a more savvy politician than most of the folks who consider themselves libertarian.
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03-27-2015, 10:55 AM | #25118 | |
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May be an interesting indication of just how long a shot his candidacy is / would be. Libts may not trust him for not being libertarian enough, and I'm pretty sure staunch conservatives will find problems (as I do) trusting him not to be too libertarian. Playing to two bases might leave him with none.
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04-01-2015, 07:47 PM | #25120 |
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Michele Bachmann not in office, but still remains as "classy" as always:
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04-01-2015, 08:08 PM | #25121 | |
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I saw some political cartoon depicting more or less the same scenario (with the "pilot" knocking on the door having "We the People" on his jacket) and thought it was impressive in its own way for being so immediately terrible that I knew it wasn't one of those intentionally bad Onion political cartoons. |
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04-03-2015, 06:08 AM | #25122 | |
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I'm not well versed enough to know if the deal is good or not and the immediate analysis is the political knee jerk statements.
I do think its better than nothing, buys more time. Ultimately, any country with money and time will be able to get nukes if they want it bad enough (e.g. NK). Obama ties his fate to Iran nuclear deal - CNN.com Quote:
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04-04-2015, 06:40 AM | #25123 |
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Plus, the other benefit of the deal is that by dropping sanctions, you open the country back up. Nothing liberalizes countries like a good old dose of Western Capitalism. Iran already was (and in a way still is) heading down a moderate path. Letting more of their young people go study in places like Germany and travel around the world will only continue to change the country over time.
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04-07-2015, 09:17 AM | #25124 |
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Rand Paul is officially throwing his hat in the ring
Republican Rand Paul announces 2016 presidential run on website I wonder if he found a way to run for his senate seat at the same time.
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04-08-2015, 07:57 AM | #25125 | |
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The Iranian hard liners seem to support the deal.
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04-08-2015, 02:29 PM | #25126 |
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04-08-2015, 04:25 PM | #25127 | |
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Honestly, I cant tell if this is good or bad. |
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04-10-2015, 04:24 PM | #25128 | |
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Guess its official for Hillary. The Dem challengers can now come out of the woodwork ... not sure who else is out there besides Elizabeth Warren and Joe? I don't see Joe realistically being able to pull it off and Elizabeth has said she was not interested in the nomination.
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04-10-2015, 04:28 PM | #25129 |
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Jim Webb and Martin O'Malley were rumored to run.... but both have little chance.
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04-10-2015, 04:28 PM | #25130 | |
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I think a blip in what Obama has and has not done in his Presidency but still a historical one. I would like to visit Cuba when it opens up.
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04-10-2015, 04:40 PM | #25131 | |
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Webb especially. He's proven he doesn't like to campaign.
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04-10-2015, 11:17 PM | #25132 |
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I think it was working in a gridlocked Congress he didn't like. Webb makes for an intriguing alternative, I love his foreign policy views. Highly unlikely he can make a dent in Clinton's machine though.
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04-11-2015, 06:42 AM | #25133 | |
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Given his closeness to the Clinton camp, I'm going to assume O'Malley would be getting in for VP consideration. It's both, IIRC. |
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04-11-2015, 07:51 AM | #25134 | |
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Lot's of people have commented on Webb's reluctance to campaign. This is from a story after he retired from the Senate.
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He also hated the way the Senate worked. Honestly, I support a lot of his positions, but I don't think he'd be at all effective as President. He seems to dislike the process even more than Obama.
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04-11-2015, 09:56 AM | #25135 |
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Any insights as to the fact the nominee for AG has not been voted on in months? Longer than the last 8 combined? And apparently it has nothing to do with her, but as a hostage for other bills. Amazingly, even senators from her own state won't support her, they won't say why and they won't move it forward. I guess I misread that part about confirmations for cabinet posts being dependent on your getting your bill passed.
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04-13-2015, 11:15 AM | #25136 |
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And now Marco Rubio is setting up for his attack run on the presidential nomination.
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04-13-2015, 12:03 PM | #25137 |
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It will be interesting to see where the Latino vote goes with two Latinos running and one traditionallly friendly Latino vote getter (Clinton)
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04-13-2015, 12:16 PM | #25138 |
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It will still be roughly 2-1 to the Dem, even if that Dem were to be Martin O'Malley.
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04-13-2015, 03:23 PM | #25139 |
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Probably time for the dreaded 2016 Presidential Race thread. Obama's got his own challenges yet to overcome, we should spare him the Hillary talk.
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04-13-2015, 05:52 PM | #25141 |
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I'm starting to wonder if the NYT is paid for by the DNC.
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04-13-2015, 06:38 PM | #25142 |
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Yes, because it's quite clear that Obama has been treated with respect by Republicans.
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04-13-2015, 08:22 PM | #25145 |
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Kinda like how the WSJ leans a bit to the right.
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04-13-2015, 08:35 PM | #25146 |
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Sure. I mean you know what you're getting. Nothing wrong with that. Read both and then make up your own mind.
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04-14-2015, 05:02 PM | #25147 |
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04-14-2015, 09:06 PM | #25148 |
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Am I alone in thinking that the US needs to move towards a Parliamentary System of government?
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Recent polling. The long term demographics seem to favor the Democrats with independents as the spoilers.
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GOP Twitter Interns, you had one job:
Senate Republicans on Twitter: "150 years ago today, the first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. America is forever indebted. http://t.co/vhIE1k20e7" 150 years ago today, the first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. America is forever indebted. Phrasing is an issue. I know what they're trying to say, but how it comes out...
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