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03-22-2015, 10:48 AM | #25051 | |
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You can check in 2022 - my predictions: Republican - some old white guy who may be a moderate but is forced to sound like Hitler due to the idiots on the fringe Democrat - someone who wants universal everything and thinks people can't decide for themselves |
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03-22-2015, 02:12 PM | #25052 |
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The Republicans definitely need new leadership.. I'm on board with that. And maybe some media support that being conservative and capitalist isn't far right thinking.
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03-22-2015, 02:33 PM | #25053 | |
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In other words, a faux-conservative candidate that I'd stay home rather than vote for. Without getting the social positions correct, the rest of the stuff ultimately doesn't matter afaic. All the money in the world ain't worth a damn to me if I'm spending it in a world unfit to live in. Point here isn't to rip on you, point is simply how difficult it is to find a Frankenstein candidate that can get both of us to the polls
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03-22-2015, 02:37 PM | #25054 |
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Curious of what the conservatives around here think of Scott Walker?
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03-22-2015, 02:41 PM | #25055 | |
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He'd make a dynamite Secretary of Labor. Based on a quick pull of position quotes, he's too weak on other issues -- illegal immigration for starters -- for me to seriously consider him for anything higher. Maybe a VP slot, that's nearly useless barring a death.
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03-22-2015, 02:47 PM | #25056 | |
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Yes, the farm lobby here in WI has kept him from going right on immigration. He did say something recently that would be construed as moving right on immigration but I'm positive he won't be advocating the shoot on sight approach you would prefer for border security. |
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03-22-2015, 03:01 PM | #25057 | |
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While I recognize that I'm unlikely to get a wholly satisfactory position out of a candidate, once he backed "pathway" notions, he'd pretty much rendered himself inadequate for me in that regard. Not sure any amount of backtracking now (or between now & election time) will convince me of his good intentions. Still, he has some uses & I'd consider him for a cabinet position if he could be kept away from broader issues where he's weak.
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03-22-2015, 11:37 PM | #25058 | |
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Maybe, you're not the only one that tells me I'm reaching. But what the hell, Reagan took 49 states and he was as faux as they come (actor), I just need to find some dude like that to run the party. |
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03-23-2015, 02:02 AM | #25059 |
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I hate Scott Walker more than any politician ever. He's completely ruined Wisconsin, and is turning it into Mississippi North.
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03-23-2015, 02:16 AM | #25060 |
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Ted Cruz in it to win it.
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03-23-2015, 02:30 AM | #25061 |
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It's nice how conservatives suddenly believe that someone born outside the country can be a natural born citizen.
Maybe you just have to be white.
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03-23-2015, 06:32 AM | #25062 |
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03-23-2015, 08:25 AM | #25063 |
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I saw a bullet point list of Ted Cruz's main foci. One was to keep NASA's focus on space exploration.
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I believe he wants them to focus on that than this alluded climate change bizness. Follow-up: NASA’s Cruz Control.
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03-23-2015, 08:40 AM | #25065 |
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That came up last week in some hearings. Some conservatives are mad that NASA looks at global warming. I didn't realize that was an issue, but apparently it is.
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03-23-2015, 09:23 AM | #25066 |
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Ah. Thanks. That makes sense and certainly fits with the overall theme of a candidate attempting to stake out the right wing of a GOP primary field.
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03-23-2015, 09:26 AM | #25067 | |
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why do people not want scientists to examine the possibility of global warming? again not trolling - just really want to know the reasoning. is it because it is seen as a waste of taxpayer dollars (or at least marginally more of a waste than space exploration)?
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03-23-2015, 09:29 AM | #25068 | |
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Reagan came along at an interesting time, eventually insuring his legacy by having success against the greatest perceived threat we faced at the time. Whether he won the Cold War or the other guy mostly just lost it, he still benefited from being the one on the floor against them as they came apart. Similar success -- in terms of legacy & all -- seems even more unlikely today since there appears to be a considerably greater divide about what constitutes greatest threat(s).
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03-23-2015, 09:42 AM | #25069 | |
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Really? (I'm kind of perplexed) Climate change deniers tend to want to disassociate the idea that humankind has been the root cause of the uptick in temperature fluctuation, storm intensity and rising ocean waters due to melting of the Arctic. Most of this can be attributed to a reliance on burning of fossil fuels, population growth, and destroying our natural resources, which means donors like Energy and Agriculture and their lobbyists posit that this is just "temperature cycling" and that all is well and should not be changed. NASA was conducting some studies into the matter and Cruz doesn't want further corroboration (especially from a Federal agency) from scientists that climate change is a real issue.
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03-23-2015, 09:46 AM | #25070 | |
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Reading "Nixonland", and there is a whole side story about Reagan. Nixon was very concerned by him, enough to deal with Strom Thurmond to get the nomination for president. Reagan frightened Nixon not because of ideology but because he was a very viable candidate who could have taken the nomination from him. That being said, Reagan was motivated by faith, that "God would provide" and didn't have that devious drive that Nixon did. It was very close and perhaps if he had more of a political kill drive, he could have taken the nomination, but he really did seem to have an "Aw Shucks" personality.
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03-23-2015, 09:51 AM | #25071 | |
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Or, you know, doesn't want funding intended for one purpose diverted into an agenda driven fiction.
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03-23-2015, 10:00 AM | #25072 |
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Information is information, regardless of the outcome. It doesn't create itself. We should just stop looking at things that may have an unfavorable result?
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03-23-2015, 10:09 AM | #25073 | |
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i understand the "funding intended for one purpose" part: nasa is a space agency and should focus on that. (however, if an argument was sincerely limited only to that concern, then it would include a recommendation for which agency should study it instead.) it's the "fiction" part i don't get: how do you know something is fiction unless scientists study it? and if, as a mental exercise, it turns out to be true, would it be important enough that a government should examine it? especially a government currently "on top" that wants to maintain the global status quo for as many centuries as possible?
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03-23-2015, 10:24 AM | #25074 | |
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PUHLEZE. No Federal agency has just one program. They handle a multitude of issues and in some cases cross silos to work with other agencies (CIA can't get satellites up into space by themselves). This is a classic Republican diversion, let's have NASA do what it's supposed to explore space (while quietly killing all funding to do so) but also keep them from corroborating that climate change/global warming is a true phenomenon aggravated by humankind.
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03-23-2015, 11:13 AM | #25075 |
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Rednecks hate their science. Why study things when you know what is right.
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03-23-2015, 12:04 PM | #25076 | |
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I lean conservative but I also believe in global warming and science. However if you are going to go with the generalization about conservatives and hating science what about liberals thinking they know everything? Complete understanding of the workings of a complex economy. Check. Complete understanding of social sciences and human behavior. Check. Complete understanding of the causes of mass shootings. Check. Healthcare. Check. The list goes on and on. |
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03-23-2015, 12:36 PM | #25078 | |
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I don't think any of those. I think we have no idea what causes mass shootings other than likely mental illness. I do believe really easy access to high powered guns does not help, but not sure anything other than banning guns would really work (and I'm not in favor of that). Same with economy...I believe both sides have proven really faulty on this issue and so obviously in the pockets of their campaign financers that we are stupid as a population for letting it continue. But science is science. Judging by the actions of most in the Southern states (and parts of suburban California apparently), there is a fundamental disbelief in science and willingness to sacrifice our next generation to the stupidity of their parents.
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03-23-2015, 12:43 PM | #25079 | |
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Under what stretch of the imagination is (the manmade) global warming (myth) part of Aeronautics or Space? Your CIA example has a clear connection, but in this case the first blush is that it's merely an agenda driven end run.
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03-23-2015, 01:03 PM | #25080 | |
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The one grounded in reality.
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On Instagram last week NASA Goddard posted a time lapse of the the winter Arctic ice sheet. Saying it has now reached its maximum and is the smallest on satellite record. 2015 Arctic Sea Ice Maximum Annual Extent Is Lowest On Record | NASA Is that a misuse? Political? It would seem the use of this information by others is what makes it political, not the information in itself. |
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NASA on climate change (Jon I know you won't read it but here's the link)
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03-23-2015, 01:32 PM | #25084 | |
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Of course you could say the same thing about city slicker liberals and aspects of food production. I believe there is a (large?) chunk of the population that loves science when it confirms their beliefs but hates it when it doesn't. I see it all the time with farmers that think climate change is a big hoax yet use science to persuade people that GMOs (one example) are harmless. And you can flip flop the two and get the same thing. Sometimes I feel alone in this world as somebody that believes GMOs are harmless and climate change is real (and humans are a big contributor). |
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But why would climate change deniers want to disassociate this idea? Your assertion that it is somehow driven by Energy and Agriculture lobbyists just doesn't hold water. I doubt JiMGa (or any other climate change denier you know in your day-to-day life) is getting one red cent from the Energy or Agriculture lobby. It might explain why a politician does what he does, but not for us regular joes. I also reject the 'rednecks hate science' argument: I really doubt that an intelligent guy like JiMGa or other smart conservatives you know would really, if pressed to answer, reject the usefulness of the scientific method. I'm still left wondering...
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Can you expound on why you describe global warming as a myth or fiction?
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Is it just me, or did anyone else find it amusing that in response to "Rednecks hate their science", panerd got offended the he was referring to conservatives in general. Are all conservatives rednecks to you, panerd?
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3!! We're causing a mass movement right here!
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If you can go with "safe" instead of "harmless" I think a lot of people would agree. |
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Make it 4!! But of course there need to be some larger controlled studies done on specific GMOs (we in the science field know that exposure to certain growth factors leads to diseases, it's just a matter of which ones). I do think it's crazy that tons of shit they put in food here in the US that we buy and eat are banned in Europe. I guess they are socialists or something, but the fact that Kraft makes different products to sell here (and are cheaper) does give me a little pause...
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No, Kodos makes 6
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My assertion that it doesn't hold water? In what way?!? Climate skeptic Willie Soon funded by industry - Business Insider National Review Quote:
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Fox News host: Climate scientists 'fabricated' temperature data | PunditFact But hey, I mean, this is all recent. If you don't think Energy and Agriculture (not all mind you) like funding against this. There was a time when this was okay to believe too: [IMG][/IMG]
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Are you fucking kidding me?!!
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And absolutely nothing will be done about it.
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And what most annoys me are the morons going around saying "everyone spies on each other" as if that's the actual issue here (or that the US really is mad that Israel spies on the US - that's basically a given).
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Yeah, Israel has long been one of the most active espionage countries. It made me laugh out loud to read their denial:
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