Maximum Football???

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by KWhit

That occurred to me too. How could they not have worked that out already?

Let's cut them some slack, it's not like they had all decade to iron out the small details.

[rkmsuf]

Like how long is the development cycle for a patch?

[Bee]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Sounded like "Gang, it's going to suck but what do you expect from a one man team. Fork over 40 bucks because we try hard."

That's exactly how it sounds...I don't think I've ever seen anyone release a game with that kind of attitude. I've seen some developers say the graphics aren't that great but the gameplay makes up for it or something along those lines...but nothing like what he's saying.

[vex]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Like how long is the development cycle for a patch?

Actual years or man years?

[1stAnd10]

I don't see why we're making a big deal about David saying the game will have bugs. Every piece of software ever released and will be released has or will have bugs in it. They range from a wide variety of things. He shouldn't be making an excuse for them by reminding us for the 100th time that this isn't his full time job. It's a part of software development, period. It strikes me that he's a self proclaimed uber-developer yet he feels like he has to say this to the masses. I guess he didn't have bugs in his programs in high school.

I care about what the bugs are, not how many or if they even exist.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by vexroid

Actual years or man years?

dog years...

FM

[vex]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

dog years...

FM

I was thinking that when I posted actually. And sadly, it's probably a more accurate timeline.

[kcchief19]

So, IF the game is release this afternoon, does anyone have a line of how long it will be until the following activities take place?

- First minor bug
- First showstopper
- First Run Time Error
- First "When is the patch coming out?" question
- First patch
- When the game will be taken off distribution for "retooling"

I'm thinking of parlaying my bet -- I'm guessing no more than a few hours, excluding a patch. Daivd will need time to get the box art back from the artest before the patch comes out.

All kidding aside, I wish them the best. I hope it's a success -- as has been said before, in the indie sport sim world, I think good sims are good for everybody.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by 1stAnd10

I don't see why we're making a big deal about David saying the game will have bugs. Every piece of software ever released and will be released has or will have bugs in it. They range from a wide variety of things. He shouldn't be making an excuse for them by reminding us for the 100th time that this isn't his full time job. It's a part of software development, period. It strikes me that he's a self proclaimed uber-developer yet he feels like he has to say this to the masses. I guess he didn't have bugs in his programs in high school.

I care about what the bugs are, not how many or if they even exist.

All games have bugs, but if he's already making excuses for them, it doesn't bode well for the quality of the game.

[rkmsuf]

Is anybody here buying it?

[Antmeister]

Ok...now I understand why they needed to hold off for a while. As you can see from this picture, they now have a first down marker. If you remember from the previous video, this never existed.




Besides that, I am morbidly interested to see how this turns out (and not from the fanboys). I hope to hear an honest review from any of the various gaming sites about this game and I am also curious to see how long it will be before he can issue a patch.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Is anybody here buying it?

:: crickets ::

I doubt many here would buy it without strong reviews and a demo.

[TroyF]

I will be. I get off work today at 6:30 MST. I'll purchase the game and will run it through some tests and post on it between 9 and 10 MST tonight.

Get your questions ready.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I will be. I get off work today at 6:30 MST. I'll purchase the game and will run it through some tests and post on it between 9 and 10 MST tonight.

Get your questions ready.

I have a question now...

If it kills your computer, do you have a second to post from?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Bee

I have a question now...

If it kills your computer, do you have a second to post from?

Yes. My first computer will be needing a reinstall of windows soon. If MF destroys it, it won't be a disaster.

[Anthony]

is it out?

[Tim Tellean]

I plan on purchasing. Another football game in this genre and one that introduces 3d graphics to spreadsheet games deserves an honest shot.

[Tim Tellean]

ya lets cut them a break its not like kept the same spreadsheet design through 5-7 iterations. Same tired, staid boring look and feel.

[dervack]

Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Ok...now I understand why they needed to hold off for a while. As you can see from this picture, they now have a first down marker. If you remember from the previous video, this never existed.




Besides that, I am morbidly interested to see how this turns out (and not from the fanboys). I hope to hear an honest review from any of the various gaming sites about this game and I am also curious to see how long it will be before he can issue a patch.

Is #50 about to do dance routine?

[dervack]

Originally Posted by Tim Tellean

ya lets cut them a break its not like kept the same spreadsheet design through 5-7 iterations. Same tired, staid boring look and feel.

Jb, is that you?

[Anthony]

i wish them luck. yeah, we've had a lot of fun at their expense, but sincerely speaking i'm keeping my eye on it, especially after a first wave of patches (or two).

[Tigercat]

Those players look pretty small compared to the field. What am I thinking, its probably just a field customized to the width of 50 yards. (Or well defined little leaguers.)

[albionmoonlight]

On the most recent video posted, a TE blocks for his RB who is going to throw a pass, and the TE is not knocked on his ass. Progress, I say.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Is anybody here buying it?

At $30, I'd give it a shot. At $40, not so much.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Tim Tellean

ya lets cut them a break its not like kept the same spreadsheet design through 5-7 iterations. Same tired, staid boring look and feel.

You forgot the "but amazingly addictive gameplay that has had me hooked for years" part.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Tim Tellean

I plan on purchasing. Another football game in this genre and one that introduces 3d graphics to spreadsheet games deserves an honest shot.

I'd prefer if it introduced 3D graphics to the developer's spreadsheets, and not require me to create my own ... but let me know how it goes.

[MizzouRah]

Troy,

Do you like throwing money away? :P

Actually, can it be as bad as BBMogul was last year?

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by moriarty

I'd prefer if it introduced 3D graphics to the developer's spreadsheets, and not require me to create my own ... but let me know how it goes.

Good point. At $40, I don't like the idea of trying to balance the game so that it will appear realistic. I don't like the fact there is no financial system. Onside kicks, fake field goals and fake punts are an odd thing to leave out.

With all that said, if he can prove that he can put out patches in a reasonable amount of time (2 - 3 weeks) and he place in major enhancements, I will seriously take it in consideration. If he just tells everyone that all of this is coming out in the next version, I am not even going to touch it.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Tim Tellean

I plan on purchasing. Another football game in this genre and one that introduces 3d graphics to spreadsheet games deserves an honest shot.

As the developer has already stated, it's not this genre.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Actually, can it be as bad as BBMogul was last year?

I don't believe there's even any comparison. At least BBM served some purpose (the entertainment factor of using the import function to introduce historic players).

This "effort" on the other hand ... well, at least we got a good thread out of it I guess.

[bbor]

Will this more than likely be the last game we ever see Daivd Winters put out?


Of course his next incarnation could be Waivd Dinters.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Troy,

Do you like throwing money away? :P

Actually, can it be as bad as BBMogul was last year?

Not especially, but I see three options:

1) It'll be a great game out of the box (well worth the money)
2) It'll be so horrific out of the box that it'll be funny. (comedy value alone - worth the money)
3) It'll be mixed, with some really good things and some really bad things, and in that case, It'll probably go into my rotation of games just for kicks. It'd be fun to design some plays and screw around with different rules options. (in this case it won't be worth the money, but it'll give me 10-20 hours of play at least, which along with a review of the game will save it from being a total disaster)

[Cydney]

It is now available on the online store at Matrix.

My opinion - too much money for what it offers.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Like how long is the development cycle for a patch?

They have 60 full time QA guys on it, so it shouldn't take long.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Not especially, but I see three options:

1) It'll be a great game out of the box (well worth the money)
2) It'll be so horrific out of the box that it'll be funny. (comedy value alone - worth the money)
3) It'll be mixed, with some really good things and some really bad things, and in that case, It'll probably go into my rotation of games just for kicks. It'd be fun to design some plays and screw around with different rules options. (in this case it won't be worth the money, but it'll give me 10-20 hours of play at least, which along with a review of the game will save it from being a total disaster)

Will you be posting a First Impressions thread?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Daivd Winter

It is an unfortunate fact considering a lone developer and a project of this scope.

I just can't help but laugh whenever he says this (and he says it oftan). "project of this scope". What scope? Hardly any AI to speak of, the most basic career mode possible, the user still has to manually handle certain things (like picking the playoff teams at the end of the season), there is a total lack of financials, and that's not even getting to the arcade mode (lack of basic things like onside kicks, horrible animations, horrible physics, and probably many more things we haven't even seen yet).

"project of this scope"? There's hardly any scope there at all.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I just can't help but laugh whenever he says this (and he says it oftan). "project of this scope". What scope? Hardly any AI to speak of, the most basic career mode possible, the user still has to manually handle certain things (like picking the playoff teams at the end of the season), there is a total lack of financials, and that's not even getting to the arcade mode (lack of basic things like onside kicks, horrible animations, horrible physics, and probably many more things we haven't even seen yet).

"project of this scope"? There's hardly any scope there at all.

Well he was the lone developer...other than the "artest" who stole the logos.

[Cydney]

Originally Posted by sabotai

"project of this scope"? There's hardly any scope there at all.

Maybe that's the problem, maybe he wasn't aiming high enough.

[Izulde]

What's really sad is, if it actually is released, then Bubba will have the last laugh on us.

[aran]

It has been officially released and is now availible in the matrix store.

Back into the maelstrom.

[SplitPersonality1]

I love the not so subtle dig at the beta testers. To me, it sounds like he is saying, "If I had more time, I would have caught all of the bugs that the 60 part-time beta-testers missed"

I doubt that he is trying to come off as an arrogant prick, but I have the feeling that this quality just comes out naturally with this guy.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Izulde

What's really sad is, if it actually is released, then Bubba will have the last laugh on us.

How so? Bubba was swearing up and down that it was going to be released in like late January...

[MizzouRah]

Allright Troy, do it to it!

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

How so? Bubba was swearing up and down that it was going to be released in like late January...

Because it was released at all?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Will you be posting a First Impressions thread?

If one has not been started by the time I get into the game, I will start it. Again, it'll be between 9 and 10 MST before I'll have time to start going through the game.

[MizzouRah]

Oh and congrats to David and Matrix games.

[MIJB#19]

Your gutsiness is admiralbe, Troy. I'll trust you in being able to be objective about the product. That said, it's a wait and see issue for me due to the amateurism going on.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Your gutsiness is admiralbe, Troy. I'll trust you in being able to be objective about the product. That said, it's a wait and see issue for me due to the amateurism going on.

Of that thing I can assure everyone. I'm not just going to rip on the game for comedy purposes. I'm going to post my thoughts. Good, bad, ugly great, whatever the hell they are.

I'm also going to try to do it from a perspective that we have here. I've jotted down a list of questions for me to start. (these are mainly the type of questions I use in prepping a review)

1) How are the stats?
2) How is the AI?
3) How many times do I look at a result on the field and scream WTF?!?!?!?!
4) Does the play editor work, do the players do what I told them to do?

I'm not going to judge this thing on career mode. I know the game isn't going to meet my career sim needs. Nor am I going to care a great deal about the graphics. (Teleporting players are a problem though, if they are there, I will rip)

I think this is going to be a gigantic chunk of human waste. But I'll be more than happy to write that I'm an idiot and that I'm wrong.

Either way, after a game gets this many views, someone here has to bite the bullet. We have to see just how good/bad this sucker is. I expect a beer from each and every member who posted in this thread if I ever visit your city.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I expect a beer from each and every member who posted in this thread if I ever visit your city.

There's a six pack of Shiner Bock waiting for you in Austin!

[vex]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

How so? Bubba was swearing up and down that it was going to be released in like late January...

Of what year?