Official College Football Bowls/Postseason

[Marmel]

Alabama (and SEC fans) are such poor losers. You think that because they win enough, they could lose graciously, but no.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

What exactly is your argument with the schedules? They look very similar to me, FWIW. Though, true, Alabama had the "better" loss - but then you have the aspect of a rematch. One could have easily argued Alabama had their one chance (at home no less). The fact that Alabama won doesn't particularly diminish that, as IMO if you played Alabama-Auburn this year 10 times in a row that Alabama would have won at least 7 of those times.

I am confused by this. What are you saying? Who do you think should be in the National Championship game?

You are admitting that results can be fluky at the end of your paragraph because of the small sample size of 1 game but on the other hand Alabama had their chance so maybe didnt deserve another one.

I guess I see the people that think results/opportunity should matter the most and on the other side I see the people that realize results are just percentages in a numbers game and that 1 poor result doesnt automatically drastically change everything we previously thought.

So we need to ask ourselves if we want to see the most deserving teams play in the National Championship game or the best teams. Its seems the NCAA cant even decide so it would be hard for anyone else to decide but the way its done now they just randomly combine both situations in which it usually favors the SEC.

There is no where near enough data to reach any conclusions about teams on any given year. The one sport we do get enough data on during the regular season(baseball) they completely disregard it in the playoffs by having short series, extra days off, and a large number of playoff teams.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Andre Smith isn't the all-star the Bengals had hoped for, but I also don't think he qualifies as a bust.

He is on the verge of a pro bowl appearance if he keeps improving. I was one of the people that hated the pick, but he has acquitted himself well since then, and after stumbling out of the gates with his foot issues his rookie year, he has been a steady performer and playing at a pretty high level. Definitely starting quality, borderline pro bowler.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

The top teams do also tend to do well in the showcase games Week 1/2, but I do agree with you there -

The SEC is 2-2 in those kickoff showcase games the last two years.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I am confused by this. What are you saying? Who do you think should be in the National Championship game?

I thought that was obvious, of the two - Oklahoma State.

You are admitting that results can be fluky at the end of your paragraph because of the small sample size of 1 game but on the other hand Alabama had their chance so maybe didnt deserve another one.

I guess I see the people that think results/opportunity should matter the most and on the other side I see the people that realize results are just percentages in a numbers game and that 1 poor result doesnt automatically drastically change everything we previously thought.

If we established the idea that the "regular season matters" then regardless of how fluky a game is, it 'matters'.

If we don't care about that idea, then it should be playoffs.

During the BCS era, the former was what was fed, so therefore in that logic, in 2011, it should have been Oklahoma State, IMO.

So we need to ask ourselves if we want to see the most deserving teams play in the National Championship game or the best teams. Its seems the NCAA cant even decide so it would be hard for anyone else to decide but the way its done now they just randomly combine both situations in which it usually favors the SEC.

I think you are correct on that. I do think that "best teams" unfairly leans to SEC, however.

[CU Tiger]

Here is my SEC gripe...and its a small but significant one.
I think the top of the SEC is the best is college football and has been for a few years.

However, the SEC gets elevated undeservedly by the auto hype machine that gets to review employees weekly ranking ballots before they are submitted.

There is no reason for half the top 10 to be SEC teams...when an SEC team loses to 2 SEC teams we hear how great all the SEC is, and how "steel sharpens steel" etc....Only once Mizzou and aTm were invited to the party both quickly rocketed to the top 20% real quick. For years now the SEC has scheduled cupcakes the week before out of conference rival games, finally the ACC among others got on board this year. Then the SEC thumps their chest when they beat their rivals...


Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

I really wanted to see FSU play Bama because Bama matches up horribly with FSU. That would have been an embarassment game. Auburn matches up much better with FSU, though I still think FSU wins that one but both teams have a punchers chance in the shootout.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Heh, just saw this on my (decidedly Southern slanted) Facebook wall.



(Thought CU Tiger might get a kick out of that)

Dola...

LOL....a friend of the wife who (coupel hubby is a UGA grad and the Wife is a SC grad) posted
"So conflicted, do we pull for the poison nut Yanks or those Orange bastards..."

I am just glad to be in Florida and not back home where my son says its in the 20s and windy as heck...

Hopefully this one turns out better than the last time I sat here until the bitter end.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

Having watched a lot of it in recent years I honestly couldn't disagree more.

With my primary loyalty resting in the ACC, that's not something I say without a fair amount of heartburn but it's my honest assessment.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Here is my SEC gripe...and its a small but significant one.
I think the top of the SEC is the best is college football and has been for a few years.

However, the SEC gets elevated undeservedly by the auto hype machine that gets to review employees weekly ranking ballots before they are submitted.

There is no reason for half the top 10 to be SEC teams...when an SEC team loses to 2 SEC teams we hear how great all the SEC is, and how "steel sharpens steel" etc....Only once Mizzou and aTm were invited to the party both quickly rocketed to the top 20% real quick. For years now the SEC has scheduled cupcakes the week before out of conference rival games, finally the ACC among others got on board this year. Then the SEC thumps their chest when they beat their rivals...


Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

I really wanted to see FSU play Bama because Bama matches up horribly with FSU. That would have been an embarassment game. Auburn matches up much better with FSU, though I still think FSU wins that one but both teams have a punchers chance in the shootout.

2007 Mizzou was similar to this seasons Mizzou in so many ways. Big 12 and SEC Mizzou moved through the rankings exactly the same way. A&M had the best player in college football that tends to get you ranked higher no matter the conference. I've said it many times including this thread that I care zero about SEC honor but get tired of the misuse of A&M and Mizzou when it's convenient to try and win an argument and the bashing when it isn't.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

If we established the idea that the "regular season matters" then regardless of how fluky a game is, it 'matters'.

If we don't care about that idea, then it should be playoffs.

Regular season can "matter" and you still need a playoff. Let the conferences anoint their champions, then have the champs duke it out in a playoff.

And yes, this would have left Notre Dame out last year - tough, get in a conference already.

You can't tell who the "best" teams are unless they play each other.

My SEC "hate" has 3 sources:

- Unfair treatment in the polls.
- The LSU/Alabama Championship game.
- The "spin" (which fuels #1): LSU / Alabama have a FG-fest, and that means "great defense", not "atrocious offense and special teams". Any other conference and that shows how neither one is fit to hold the SEC's shoes.

[Julio Riddols]

I feel like the SEC has dropped off considerably this season. This was probably the first year in the last 7 or 8 where it's not really easy to say which conference is the best.

Also, Why is A.J. McCarron the Maxwell award winner? I think it is pretty clear he is a good QB, but Winston and Manziel outplayed him by quite a bit.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Also, Why is A.J. McCarron the Maxwell award winner? I think it is pretty clear he is a good QB, but Winston and Manziel outplayed him by quite a bit.

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

[RedKingGold]

. . . that we know of.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Alabama (and SEC fans) are such poor losers. You think that because they win enough, they could lose graciously, but no.

What did I miss? MBBF bashing the B12 again?

[vex]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

Winner.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

And if by rape you mean allegedly have consensual sex with, while others were in the room watching and possibly video taping and maybe even involving multiple partner swapping....err never mind it was a cover up to keep an athlete on the field.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by panerd

2007 Mizzou was similar to this seasons Mizzou in so many ways. Big 12 and SEC Mizzou moved through the rankings exactly the same way. A&M had the best player in college football that tends to get you ranked higher no matter the conference. I've said it many times including this thread that I care zero about SEC honor but get tired of the misuse of A&M and Mizzou when it's convenient to try and win an argument and the bashing when it isn't.

I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

I agree with everything here. Plus, they are now promoting the SEC Network so it's a no-brainer that they will be talking up the SEC.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

I would be curious to see those numbers. These are the best numbers I can find.

Which college football program produces most NFL talent? - NFL.com

SI

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

Well what about all the other players who played better than McCarron? Bridgewater, Mariota and Petty to name a few. McCarrons numbers are super pedestrian for a college QB, with only 336 attempts too. He carried so little of the load for Bama, and they even lost 2 games.. And he offers absolutely nothing on the ground. The more I look at the numbers, the more confused I get as to why he was even in the discussion for the awards he won, let alone winning them.

He and Mettenberger were basically mirror images this season, and nobody thinks Mettenberger is worthy.. So why McCarron?

[CU Tiger]

This Clemson Ohio state game is a penalty fest. By my count there have been no less than 11 penalties (including 2 plays with 2 penalties each and including penalties declined) and we are two plays into the 2nd quarter...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

He and Mettenberger were basically mirror images this season, and nobody thinks Mettenberger is worthy.. So why McCarron?

Huh?

Mett (who would never have seen the field at UGA): 22 TD / 8 INT
McCarron (who I think is largely a game-manager): 28 TD/ 7 INT

And ZM had better receivers to work with.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

The SEC is 2-2 in those kickoff showcase games the last two years.

I said Elite SEC teams, not Georgia.

(Which is really a cheap argument, but it's Alabama/LSU, where 80% of the SEC hype comes from. To play in a national title you need to go undefeated, be them, or beat them. And the last few years they've gone undefeated in their big early OOC games, even if most are against Michigan, Virginia Tech, Penn State, TCU, UNC, Washington teams that aren't up to their usual reputations, but because the SEC team plays them week 1 when they're undefeated you can dream on them being good. (There were a couple wins like the 2011 LSU ones over Oregon/West Virginia that were impressive.))

The 2 most controversial SEC teams that got into the title game (2007 LSU, 2011 Alabama) would not have gotten in without the big LSU wins over Virginia Tech and Oregon respectively.

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

What exactly is your argument with the schedules? They look very similar to me, FWIW. Though, true, Alabama had the "better" loss - but then you have the aspect of a rematch. One could have easily argued Alabama had their one chance (at home no less). The fact that Alabama won doesn't particularly diminish that, as IMO if you played Alabama-Auburn this year 10 times in a row that Alabama would have won at least 7 of those times.

gstelmack was the one arguing that that Alabama team didn't "deserve" to be there, and the SEC got the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine with saying you'd rather see Oklahoma State play for aesthetic or rematch reasons, but you really can't argue that they "deserved" to be in the title game any more than Alabama - it was basically a coin flip, with the edge to OSU on off-field considerations and the edge to Alabama on on-field play. That's not me fellating wins over Ole Miss or Auburn (and that's where the ESPN hype machine continues to show its bias), but watching the two teams play that year. 2013 Alabama has been overrated (although anyone paying attention has seen that their defense isn't nearly as good this year), 2011 and 2012 Alabama weren't.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Johnson shoots down buyout rumor | Georgia Tech sports | www.ajc.com

Of course I didn't bother to get excited at the prospect anyhow. 11 million reasons (Hewitt $ +Gailey $) plus another 8 million (potential CPJ $) kept my hopes pretty limited.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

gstelmack was the one arguing that that Alabama team didn't "deserve" to be there, and the SEC got the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine with saying you'd rather see Oklahoma State play for aesthetic or rematch reasons, but you really can't argue that they "deserved" to be in the title game any more than Alabama - it was basically a coin flip, with the edge to OSU on off-field considerations and the edge to Alabama on on-field play. That's not me fellating wins over Ole Miss or Auburn (and that's where the ESPN hype machine continues to show its bias), but watching the two teams play that year. 2013 Alabama has been overrated (although anyone paying attention has seen that their defense isn't nearly as good this year), 2011 and 2012 Alabama weren't.

I disagree on a different argument: Alabama couldn't win its DIVISION, let alone its CONFERENCE, so how can they play for the national championship? It's a worse travesty than Nebraska playing for the national championship after getting destroyed in their conference championship game.

And yes, I know the NFL let's non division winners play for the championship, but only after it lets all the division winners in first. Alabama should not have been involved unless they had an 8-game playoff, in which case you can argue they should have been one of the 2 wildcards (there were still 6 AQ conferences then if I remember).

[bob]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Johnson shoots down buyout rumor | Georgia Tech sports | www.ajc.com

Of course I didn't bother to get excited at the prospect anyhow. 11 million reasons (Hewitt $ +Gailey $) plus another 8 million (potential CPJ $) kept my hopes pretty limited.

They have to be done paying Gailey by now, right? CPJ has been coach for at least 5 seasons.

[BillJasper]

Boy, Clemson folded quick!

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Huh?

Mett (who would never have seen the field at UGA): 22 TD / 8 INT
McCarron (who I think is largely a game-manager): 28 TD/ 7 INT

And ZM had better receivers to work with.

Mettenberger had better receivers? Why didn't they throw more then? If I had a QB throwing for 10 yards per attempt and good receivers to boot, I would be passing a LOT. Like 450 times or more. My guess is lack of depth. Also, telling me Bama has bad receivers is weird, when there's no way a school like Bama doesn't bring in studs left and right. Amari Cooper was a top 50 player in 2012 (overall, not just WR) coming out of H.S. according to a lot of sites. The receivers they brought in in 2011 were rated even higher. This year, they signed the 2nd highest rated WR in the country. They have at least 4 receivers on their team who were top 10 in their class at the position. Meanwhile Odell Beckham was a 3 star, and Landry is on par with those 4 receivers Bama has brought in from a talent standpoint according to recruiting rankings. It seems to me what is happening is Bama is either shit at developing receivers, or they just use them differently. Meanwhile, LSU is running with basically 2 players at WR.

Considering Mettenberger threw the ball 40 times less, but threw for more yards than McCarron with a weaker defense (LSU gave up like 50-60 more yards per game than Bama) and a yard less per carry running game backing him up.. I gotta stick with my thought that they are virtually the same QB. Neither should be anywhere near the conversation for best QB in the country though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bob

They have to be done paying Gailey by now, right? CPJ has been coach for at least 5 seasons.

Alas, the money was still spent. I think the buyout actually ended in 2011

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I said Elite SEC teams, not Georgia.

What about Auburn?
Btw UGA was ranked 5 when they lost to Clemson. Top 5 is elite by any standard.

You can't change the argument mid stream, especially when I don't think LSU played a kick off game this year did they?
Hell I can't remember.
I'm too pissed watching this referee show in Miami.
I sat here two years ago through all 70 WVU points...but damn if this game reaches 50 penalty flags I'm leaving regardless.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Also, telling me Bama has bad receivers is weird, when there's no way a school like Bama doesn't bring in studs left and right. Amari Cooper was a top 50 player in 2012 (overall, not just WR) coming out of H.S. according to a lot of sites.

Didn't say their receivers sucked ... said LSU had better receivers. I give less than a fuck what their recruiting ratings were, Beckham & Landry would have both started at Bama. The same wouldn't be true in reverse.

[CU Tiger]

Dola...a final gift to GT D Rad gave CPJ the worst buyout known to mankind before leaving. I think basically his entire contract is guaranteed, though I'm sue some of the Gt faithful can chime in.

[Patriots12]

I really hope Ohio State loses. I think personally that their athletic program is so filthy and arrogant in my opinion. Anyone watching the ESPN 30 for 30 Youngstown Boys would agree after how the athletic director treated Maurice Clarrett(before he got in trouble). Also, it's so annoying how they call themselves THE Ohio State university. Lastly, I hated how the only discipline the player that held up both his middle fingers was only an ejection, nothing more.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Patriots12

I really hope Ohio State loses. I think personally that their athletic program is so filthy and arrogant in my opinion. Anyone watching the ESPN 30 for 30 Youngstown Boys would agree after how the athletic director treated Maurice Clarrett(before he got in trouble). Also, it's so annoying how they call themselves THE Ohio State university. Lastly, I hated how the only discipline the player that held up both his middle fingers was only an ejection, nothing more.

The last part is incorrect, he was also suspended for the B1G championship game.

[bob]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Alas, the money was still spent. I think the buyout actually ended in 2011

Yeah, misread what you wrote. Thought you were talking about what they still owed this year, not overall. The money values should have given that away.

And to the last point, yes, thanks for the parting gift DRad.

[tarcone]

Mizzou is picking apart okie St.

[JPhillips]

The OSU/Clemson game looks like teams that haven't played for a month.

[sterlingice]

Is Ohio State playing like crap because they were not in the title game?

Spoiler

Wait, that sounds absurd, even though they were one game away from the BCS championship, too

SI

[Bigsmooth]

Matt Millen is just the worst.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Mizzou is picking apart okie St.

OK State defense has simply dominated the second half. Here is the stats for the half:

6 drives
20 plays
13 yards
2 turnovers
2 first downs (both on the first drive of the half)

You'd be hard pressed to find a more dominating stretch against the Mizzou offense this season. The sad thing? OSU has only mustered 10 points through that to tie the game.

I have a feeling Mizzou will come out this next drive blazing. OSU needs to keep up the intensity. One play off and Mizzou will jump back up 7. Still, proud of the guys, they are playing their asses off and OSU has a real shot to win this game.

[Julio Riddols]

I don't really get that roughing call, but that was a hell of a throw by Miller with a dude about to kill him.

[CU Tiger]

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

[kingfc22]

Braxton Miller showing a lot of toughness sticking in and taking those hits.

[kingfc22]

Somebody please unplug Millen's mic.

Take a shot for every "buckaroo" mention.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

Seems like the officials are looking for ways to call penalties instead of letting the game happen.

[NobodyHere]

Matt Millen needs a sign over his head that says "31-81" in case any casual football watcher might take him seriously.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

I think it's fair in terms of not favoring either team, but it's incredibly tightly called. Everything seems to lead to ten or fifteen yard penalties.

[TroyF]

Defensive holding maybe if they've called it all game, but they have not called it that way all game. What a monumental break on a horrific throw by the Mizzou QB. That was a catch and Mizzou should have a first down.

[kingfc22]

That looked like a possible fumble on that sack. I would've had that reviewed.

[Julio Riddols]

Excited to see what Watkins and Boyd do at the next level.