2008 NFL Offseason Thread - Page 5

Arles · 02-29-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

This FA is out of control. Way too much money going around for mid to lower level talent.

Now I am beginning to understand Ted Thompson's theory of avoiding the first month of FA and stocking up on picks. Paying some of these 28-32 year old FAs big money doesn't seem like the best move.

Abe Sargent · 02-29-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

man, the jags are batting a thousand getting these wideouts

Troy Williamson and now Jerry Porter.

uh, ok.

I'm pissed off at my team. I love Porter, and he's a fellow Mountaineer, but he's old and we paid THIRTY MILLION for him, and he's argubaly over the hill in a major way.

I mean, if you are going to overpay for an older WR< why don't you really get a #1 like Moss and quit this flirting stuff.

Abe Sargent · 02-29-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

This FA is out of control. Way too much money going around for mid to lower level talent.

There's a minimum cap to what teas can spend, so they have to spend up to the minimum amount, even when teh FAs aren;t that great.

EDIT: I'm starting to doubt this. I rememberd it, but now that I analyze it, i'm not sure anymore. Someone know this for sure?

JAG · 02-29-2008, 02:40 PM

Here's another Lito rumor I just read:

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You hear things working the phones. And here's just about the wildest rumor I've heard ...

Lito Sheppard to the Cardinals. And ... wait for it ... Larry Fitzgerald to Philly.

That's all conditional on the Eagles signing Patriots free agent Asante Samuel, something that several reports, including this one, have as a done deal.

The idea makes sense of several fronts. First, Arizona is planning to move former first-round pick Antrell Rolle inside to safety, where he'd be paired with Adrian Wilson, and the Cardinals have been quiet on free-agent corners despite a looming need. Second, the Eagles have a considerable amount of cap room -- they would even after signing Samuel -- and the Cardinals would create space to extend Sheppard by dealing Fitz. Third, the Eagles' offense has been in perpetual need of a big-time wideout, save for the one great season they got out of T.O.

If all this happens (UPDATE: Yes, I do know it would all be contingent on a Fitzgerald renegotiation), the NFC East would get even more interesting than it already was, with the one team that didn't make the playoffs getting a little bit better at one important position and a lot better at another one. Do I expect this to happen? Not at this point. But it sure is interesting to hear.

Fitz is getting $31M the next 2 years though, so it'd have to be a pretty insane contract for him from the Eagles if this actually goes down.

DeToxRox · 02-29-2008, 02:46 PM

Rogers to Cinncy. That works on SOOOOOO many levels.

NoSkillz · 02-29-2008, 02:58 PM

LB Kawika Mitchell signs with the Bills. I think he benefited quite a bit from the awesome defensive ends the Giants had last year but a good signing nonetheless.

Supposedly, Jags DT Marcus Stroud is in Buffalo talking with the team. He's still Jags property but has evidently been put on the block.

sabotai · 02-29-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoSkillz

LB Kawika Mitchell signs with the Bills. I think he benefited quite a bit from the awesome defensive ends the Giants had last year but a good signing nonetheless.

I was never really sold on Kawika Mitchell so I don't care much that he's gone. Safety Gibril Wilson, though, will probably be gone too and that one hurts. With all the money being spent on defensive backs this FA, his price keeps going up and there are too many teams interested in him for the Giants to be able to afford to keep him.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-29-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Rogers to Cinncy. That works on SOOOOOO many levels.

The Lions get a 3rd and a 5th round pick for Rogers.

Given Millen's draft record getting more picks is really not a good idea.

JAG · 02-29-2008, 03:39 PM

Getting players in a trade (Tatum Bell? Foster?) didn't work too well either.

Yes, there is a minimum teams are required to spend.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-29-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Getting players in a trade (Tatum Bell? Foster?) didn't work too well either.

No. Not so much...

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Originally Posted by JAG

Yes, there is a minimum teams are required to spend.

Isn't it something like 84% of the cap, so something close to $100 million.

Travis · 02-29-2008, 04:21 PM

Haven't noticed it in here yet, but buddy of mine (Eagles fan) just emailed me saying the Eagles just announced the signing of Samuels to a 6 year deal.

sabotai · 02-29-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Haven't noticed it in here yet, but buddy of mine (Eagles fan) just emailed me saying the Eagles just announced the signing of Samuels to a 6 year deal.

I just heard that on the news as well.

Galaxy · 02-29-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I just heard that on the news as well.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7856010?MSNHPHMA

Travis · 02-29-2008, 04:31 PM

Anybody heard firm numbers? I'm mostly curious as I think that contract might set the market for a long term deal for Trufant.

JS19 · 02-29-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I was never really sold on Kawika Mitchell so I don't care much that he's gone. Safety Gibril Wilson, though, will probably be gone too and that one hurts. With all the money being spent on defensive backs this FA, his price keeps going up and there are too many teams interested in him for the Giants to be able to afford to keep him.

Not gonna lie, I liked Mitchell and was hoping they brought him back if it was a reasonable price. Wilson, however, although I would love for him to be come back, he won't be worth probably half of what he's is gonna get on the market.

Any word on Shockey's future?

Travis · 02-29-2008, 04:56 PM

Apparently 6 years, $57 million for Samuels including $20 million guaranteed and $32 million in the first 3 years.

And the countdown to the Seahawks trading Trufant begins now.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-29-2008, 06:04 PM

Glad to see the Eagles use some of their cap room on a quality player.

Thomkal · 02-29-2008, 06:41 PM

I just cannot believe that Cardinals-Eagles trade rumor to have any basis in reality. I know they are having cap problems due to his contract, but I just cannot see them trading Fitz. He's their best receiver, one of the best in the league, and they struggled to find enough receivers as it was last season due to injuries. I think this would be a horrible move for them to make.

Thomkal · 02-29-2008, 08:21 PM

So I went looking to see if I could find anything from the Cardinal brass about a Fitzgerald trade, and as recent as the scouting combine, their VP of Player Personnel was saying Fitz absolutely would be back in Arizona this year. They are trying to restructure his contract, but he has two years left on his remaining one, and if they can't renegotiate, plan on keeping him for those two years. Plus they just cut their #3 WR Bryant Johnston today.

So doesn't sound like they will trade him, thank the football gods.

stevew · 02-29-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

This offseason is starting to remind me of some of the recent complaints I've seen in FOF MP Leagues: Plenty of teams with huge cap space and not that many FA's leading to huge contracts being offered to lesser talents.

It'd be even worse in FOF MP if you were allowed to bank cap space with likely to be achieved incentives like they do in the NFL.

JS19 · 02-29-2008, 09:48 PM

Wow. Gibril Wilson is now the 3rd highest paid safety in the NFL, 6 yrs 39M with the Raiders. How the hell are the Raiders allowed to be a franchise? I always liked Wilson, seemed like he had/has lots of potential, but never fulfilled it. All the luck in the world to him and i'm glad he got his $$$.

TazFTW · 02-29-2008, 10:35 PM

Shaun Rogers to the Browns for Leigh Bodden and a 3rd round pick.

dime · 02-29-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

Wow. Gibril Wilson is now the 3rd highest paid safety in the NFL, 6 yrs 39M with the Raiders. How the hell are the Raiders allowed to be a franchise? I always liked Wilson, seemed like he had/has lots of potential, but never fulfilled it. All the luck in the world to him and i'm glad he got his $$$.

raiders must be done with schweigert...I didn't think he was the worst safety in the world but he didn't seem to fit with whatever they were trying to do last year. wilson and hugg are an athletic pair of safeties but I don't think it suddenly makes their defense that much better than it was yesterday.

Mustang · 02-29-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Shaun Rogers to the Browns for Leigh Bodden and a 3rd round pick.

The Cleveland management must have something else going on the weekend of the draft.

sabotai · 02-29-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

Any word on Shockey's future?

He's not costing the Giants much in cap space, so the Giants really have no financial reason to trade him. All I've heard is that a couple of teams have called asking about him, but no negotiations to trade him have started. Reese doesn't seem to have any interest in trading him, either.

sabotai · 02-29-2008, 11:19 PM

Giants LB Reggie Torbor (mostly backup, started in place of Kiwanuka) was signed by Miami. And the Giant's 2003 first round bust Will Joseph is officially gone.

Looks like the Giants are not going after any big LB signings to replace Torbor or Mitchell and are going to try to have Gerris Wilkerson start in place of Mitchell.

johnnyshaka · 03-01-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Glad to see the Eagles use some of their cap room on a quality player.

Agreed...just curious about what is going to happen with Sheppard. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing him stay but if he is indeed disgruntled then dealing him for a few picks makes sense. We could use some youth in the secondary.

JAG · 03-01-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Lions get a 3rd and a 5th round pick for Rogers.

Given Millen's draft record getting more picks is really not a good idea.

Just read that the trade to Cinci was denied by the league for something relating to the salary cap. So Detroit turned around and traded him to the Browns for a 3rd round pick and CB Leigh Bodden. The Cleveland GM is by all rights pretty decent, so how do you explain giving up a young starting CB for an overweight DT and then convince yourself to throw in a 3rd round pick? I gotta give props to Millen on this one. Meanwhile, Cleveland has no picks this draft until round 4.

st.cronin · 03-01-2008, 09:40 AM

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but Miami signs Josh McCown. Anybody know what they're planning as far as QB?

Eaglesfan27 · 03-01-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but Miami signs Josh McCown. Anybody know what they're planning as far as QB?

Sign 10 QB's and see which ones creep?

mattlanta · 03-01-2008, 10:13 AM

Miami is most likely going to see how Beck develops. I don't know if he's really a Parcells type of player, but I think Beck will be given a chance to start in that organization instead of drafting someone like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco.

I was actually expecting Parcells to go after Chad Pennington due to Pennington's role in New York and how loyal Parcells is to his past players. For example, Parcells tried getting Keyshawn Johnson out of retirement.

Schmidty · 03-01-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Just read that the trade to Cinci was denied by the league for something relating to the salary cap. So Detroit turned around and traded him to the Browns for a 3rd round pick and CB Leigh Bodden. The Cleveland GM is by all rights pretty decent, so how do you explain giving up a young starting CB for an overweight DT and then convince yourself to throw in a 3rd round pick? I gotta give props to Millen on this one. Meanwhile, Cleveland has no picks this draft until round 4.

Much, MUCH better trade for the Lions. Did Millen actually do something right for once?

Probably not.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-01-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Much, MUCH better trade for the Lions. Did Millen actually do something right for once?

Probably not.

I agree. I'd much rather have a lower 3rd round pick (Cleveland's) and an actual starter at a position of serious need than a higher 3rd (Cinci's pick) and a 5th rounder who is likely to be cut during training camp.

M GO BLUE!!! · 03-01-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Much, MUCH better trade for the Lions. Did Millen actually do something right for once?

Probably not.

I agree. But remember, many offseason moves Millen has made have looked very good at the time, but there is this tricky thing called a football game that seems to get in the way of success for Millen.

damnMikeBrown · 03-01-2008, 11:45 AM

I was annoyed that we were going to be importing other teams malcontents. I mean, we do such a great job breeding our own, I didn't see the need to go outside of our own blood lines to do it. Having said that, Rogers being a potential all-pro is absolutely the answer to the question..well, who's our DT?

Now..fast forward to we can't even get the trade done. I'm annoyed we're bringing in another idiot, but now I'm PISSED that at the ineptitude that can't even properly get another malcontent here.

Damn Mike Brown

Bad-example · 03-01-2008, 12:28 PM

Justin Smith to the 49ers. The 49ers already have a decent secondary. Coupled with the Dontarrious Thomas signing, the 49ers appear close to assembling a pretty solid defense.

NoSkillz · 03-01-2008, 04:18 PM

Bills complete the trade with Jacksonville to get Marcus Stroud. I wonder if Stroud is going to hold out for a renegotiated contract now...

JetsIn06 · 03-01-2008, 04:36 PM

Woot Woot!

Alan Faneca to the Jets, 5 years, 40 mil.

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-01-2008, 04:54 PM

WR Berrian to Vikings on 6 years deal, no terms announced.

Thomkal · 03-01-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Woot Woot!

Alan Faneca to the Jets, 5 years, 40 mil.

damn I was really hoping he would sign with the Cards given his history with the coaches there.

st.cronin · 03-01-2008, 05:35 PM

Donte Stallworth to the Browns, 7 years 35 million dollars.

TazFTW · 03-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Jacques Reeves got 5 years for $20 million from the Texans.

stevew · 03-01-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Woot Woot!

Alan Faneca to the Jets, 5 years, 40 mil.

Hopefully he doesn't pull a porter. That's not even that much money, I wish the steelers weren't so goddamn cheap sometimes. And would quit payign worthless guys too much money.

Abe Sargent · 03-01-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Sign 10 QB's and see which ones creep?

That was the Cowboys plan until they found Romo

tucker rocky · 03-01-2008, 06:17 PM

Jaguars pick up Drayton Florence from the Chargers.
Interesting to see if Brian Williams or Rashean Mathis move to safety, to help out Reggie Nelson.

Maybe Williams or Mathis dealt?

tucker rocky · 03-01-2008, 06:18 PM

Maybe the Jaguars could make a trade to get Lito Shepard.

Galaxy · 03-01-2008, 08:08 PM

What did the Bills give up to get Stroud?

tucker rocky · 03-01-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

What did the Bills give up to get Stroud?

A 3rd and 5th round '08 draft pick.

TazFTW · 03-01-2008, 09:26 PM

Hmmm, Lance Briggs stays with the Bears.

Galaxy · 03-01-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Hmmm, Lance Briggs stays with the Bears.

Woot!

02-29-2008, 02:58 PM	#206
NoSkillz College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Canada	LB Kawika Mitchell signs with the Bills. I think he benefited quite a bit from the awesome defensive ends the Giants had last year but a good signing nonetheless. Supposedly, Jags DT Marcus Stroud is in Buffalo talking with the team. He's still Jags property but has evidently been put on the block. __________________ MY CURRENT FM19 DYNASTY - FM19: "Ludere causa Ludendi - To Play for the Sake of Playing" - Queen's Park FC (Scottish League Two) MY OLD FM11 DYNASTY - FM11: From Semi-Pro Minnows to the EPL - Dover Athletic FC My Personal Blog - Now on the Tee - Golf, Sports, Poker, Life 2006 GOLDEN SCRIBE AWARD WINNER FOR BEST 'OTHER SPORT' DYNASTY - EHM2005: Sharpening Swords in Buffalo

02-29-2008, 04:21 PM	#211
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Haven't noticed it in here yet, but buddy of mine (Eagles fan) just emailed me saying the Eagles just announced the signing of Samuels to a 6 year deal. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-29-2008, 04:31 PM	#214
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Anybody heard firm numbers? I'm mostly curious as I think that contract might set the market for a long term deal for Trufant. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-29-2008, 04:56 PM	#216
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Apparently 6 years, $57 million for Samuels including $20 million guaranteed and $32 million in the first 3 years. And the countdown to the Seahawks trading Trufant begins now. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-29-2008, 06:04 PM	#217
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Glad to see the Eagles use some of their cap room on a quality player. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-29-2008, 02:46 PM	#205
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Rogers to Cinncy. That works on SOOOOOO many levels.

02-29-2008, 03:39 PM	#209
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Getting players in a trade (Tatum Bell? Foster?) didn't work too well either. Yes, there is a minimum teams are required to spend.

02-29-2008, 06:41 PM	#218
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I just cannot believe that Cardinals-Eagles trade rumor to have any basis in reality. I know they are having cap problems due to his contract, but I just cannot see them trading Fitz. He's their best receiver, one of the best in the league, and they struggled to find enough receivers as it was last season due to injuries. I think this would be a horrible move for them to make.

02-29-2008, 08:21 PM	#219
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	So I went looking to see if I could find anything from the Cardinal brass about a Fitzgerald trade, and as recent as the scouting combine, their VP of Player Personnel was saying Fitz absolutely would be back in Arizona this year. They are trying to restructure his contract, but he has two years left on his remaining one, and if they can't renegotiate, plan on keeping him for those two years. Plus they just cut their #3 WR Bryant Johnston today. So doesn't sound like they will trade him, thank the football gods.

02-29-2008, 09:48 PM	#221
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Wow. Gibril Wilson is now the 3rd highest paid safety in the NFL, 6 yrs 39M with the Raiders. How the hell are the Raiders allowed to be a franchise? I always liked Wilson, seemed like he had/has lots of potential, but never fulfilled it. All the luck in the world to him and i'm glad he got his $$$.

02-29-2008, 10:35 PM	#222
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Shaun Rogers to the Browns for Leigh Bodden and a 3rd round pick. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-29-2008, 11:19 PM	#226
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Giants LB Reggie Torbor (mostly backup, started in place of Kiwanuka) was signed by Miami. And the Giant's 2003 first round bust Will Joseph is officially gone. Looks like the Giants are not going after any big LB signings to replace Torbor or Mitchell and are going to try to have Gerris Wilkerson start in place of Mitchell.

03-01-2008, 09:40 AM	#229
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but Miami signs Josh McCown. Anybody know what they're planning as far as QB? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-01-2008, 10:13 AM	#231
mattlanta Mascot Join Date: Dec 2007	Miami is most likely going to see how Beck develops. I don't know if he's really a Parcells type of player, but I think Beck will be given a chance to start in that organization instead of drafting someone like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. I was actually expecting Parcells to go after Chad Pennington due to Pennington's role in New York and how loyal Parcells is to his past players. For example, Parcells tried getting Keyshawn Johnson out of retirement.

03-01-2008, 11:45 AM	#235
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	I was annoyed that we were going to be importing other teams malcontents. I mean, we do such a great job breeding our own, I didn't see the need to go outside of our own blood lines to do it. Having said that, Rogers being a potential all-pro is absolutely the answer to the question..well, who's our DT? Now..fast forward to we can't even get the trade done. I'm annoyed we're bringing in another idiot, but now I'm PISSED that at the ineptitude that can't even properly get another malcontent here. Damn Mike Brown

03-01-2008, 12:28 PM	#236
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	Justin Smith to the 49ers. The 49ers already have a decent secondary. Coupled with the Dontarrious Thomas signing, the 49ers appear close to assembling a pretty solid defense.

03-01-2008, 04:18 PM	#237
NoSkillz College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Canada	Bills complete the trade with Jacksonville to get Marcus Stroud. I wonder if Stroud is going to hold out for a renegotiated contract now... __________________ MY CURRENT FM19 DYNASTY - FM19: "Ludere causa Ludendi - To Play for the Sake of Playing" - Queen's Park FC (Scottish League Two) MY OLD FM11 DYNASTY - FM11: From Semi-Pro Minnows to the EPL - Dover Athletic FC My Personal Blog - Now on the Tee - Golf, Sports, Poker, Life 2006 GOLDEN SCRIBE AWARD WINNER FOR BEST 'OTHER SPORT' DYNASTY - EHM2005: Sharpening Swords in Buffalo

03-01-2008, 04:36 PM	#238
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	Woot Woot! Alan Faneca to the Jets, 5 years, 40 mil.

03-01-2008, 04:54 PM	#239
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	WR Berrian to Vikings on 6 years deal, no terms announced.

03-01-2008, 05:35 PM	#241
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Donte Stallworth to the Browns, 7 years 35 million dollars. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-01-2008, 05:49 PM	#242
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Jacques Reeves got 5 years for $20 million from the Texans. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

03-01-2008, 06:17 PM	#245
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Jaguars pick up Drayton Florence from the Chargers. Interesting to see if Brian Williams or Rashean Mathis move to safety, to help out Reggie Nelson. Maybe Williams or Mathis dealt?

03-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#246
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Maybe the Jaguars could make a trade to get Lito Shepard.

03-01-2008, 08:08 PM	#247
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	What did the Bills give up to get Stroud?

03-01-2008, 09:26 PM	#249
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Hmmm, Lance Briggs stays with the Bears. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

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