2007-2008 NBA Regular Season Thread - Page 5

nfg22 · 02-03-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Nope, the Lakers picking #10 or #11 or whatever it was came from them sucking.

Your right...I just checked. Thanks for the correction.

stevew · 02-03-2008, 05:31 PM

Almost makes up for the Kwame for Caron Butler brainfart.

MrBug708 · 02-03-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Almost makes up for the Kwame for Caron Butler brainfart.

Eh, I could see the reasoning for it, but I guess Mitch had to see Kwame up close.

The pick the Lakers got from Miami was what turned into Jordan Farmar

nfg22 · 02-03-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Eh, I could see the reasoning for it, but I guess Mitch had to see Kwame up close.

The pick the Lakers got from Miami was what turned into Jordan Farmar

I honestly liked Crittenton better than Farmar but I didnt really see either enough to know.

MrBug708 · 02-03-2008, 10:02 PM

He's a solid PG and will probably take over for D-Fish when he's done

Neon_Chaos · 02-04-2008, 08:03 AM

Kwame is useful afterall.

Neon_Chaos · 02-05-2008, 10:02 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RSByXfL4dU

Gave me a good chuckle.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-05-2008, 06:00 PM

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

Atocep · 02-05-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

Are they just going to keep Shaq on the offensive end and play 4 on 5 defense?

Seems horrible for Phoenix. Nash could have the Suns up and down the floor 3-4 times in the time it takes Shaq to go from one end of the floor to the other.

Groundhog · 02-05-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

I would be beyond shocked if Phoenix make that trade. Makes zero sense to me.

nfg22 · 02-05-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

Why would Pheonix do this? The Wolves already have Miami's conditional pick this year. I dont know if Miami could trade away the other half of the pick.

Again, Why would Pheonix do this?

Eaglesfan27 · 02-05-2008, 06:15 PM

I could see Phoenix doing it because Cuban has always been fascinated by Shaq. Also, while Shaq obviously can't run with Phoenix he would provide an additional presence in the halfcourt game for the playoffs.

nfg22 · 02-05-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I could see Phoenix doing it because Cuban has always been fascinated by Shaq. Also, while Shaq obviously can't run with Phoenix he would provide an additional presence in the halfcourt game for the playoffs.

Three reasons this is wrong.

1. Marion could be traded elsewhere for better, at least.
2. Cuban owns the Mav's
3. The owner is afraid of spending, Shaq makes more and longer that Marion. The contract is the sole reaosn they want to trade him.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-05-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Three reasons this is wrong.

1. Marion could be traded elsewhere for better, at least.
2. Cuban owns the Mav's
3. Coangelo is afraid of spending, Shaq makes more and longer that Marion. The contract is the sole reaosn they want to trade him.

Ok, that is embarassing. I don't know why I was thinking Cuban and the Suns as I know he is the owner of the Mavs. Anyway, Marion clearly wants to be traded and while Shaq is old and slow, he is still a strong interior presence that could be a big help to Amare in the playoffs. I could see it making some sense for the Suns.

Edit: I think Marion's Trade value is hurt by his well known desire to be traded, to some extent at least.

nfg22 · 02-05-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Ok, that is embarassing. I don't know why I was thinking Cuban and the Suns as I know he is the owner of the Mavs. Anyway, Marion clearly wants to be traded and while Shaq is old and slow, he is still a strong interior presence that could be a big help to Amare in the playoffs. I could see it making some sense for the Suns.

Edit: I think Marion's Trade value is hurt by his well known desire to be traded, to some extent at least.

The main problem is Shaq's extra salary. It is 4 mil more and it goes will 2010.

nfg22 · 02-05-2008, 06:31 PM

Also where did you get this rumor? I had it texted to me from ESPN but cant find it on their web page.

Groundhog · 02-05-2008, 06:39 PM

I'd have figured they could get much more useful parts for Marion.

nfg22 · 02-05-2008, 06:40 PM

I personally wouldnt have traded Micheal Olawakandi for Shaq....ok that is a lie I would. But seriously Shaq is washed UP!

Eaglesfan27 · 02-05-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Also where did you get this rumor? I had it texted to me from ESPN but cant find it on their web page.

A friend of mine IM'd it to me when we were chatting about college recruiting. I'm not sure where he got it from, I'll ask him when he gets back from dinner.

Edit: He heard it from ESPN as well.

Groundhog · 02-05-2008, 06:50 PM

In other news, the Cavs somehow managed to score 36 points in a quarter, and LeBron is well on his way to a triple double with 8 mins left in the second Q.

Chief Rum · 02-05-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

A friend of mine IM'd it to me when we were chatting about college recruiting. I'm not sure where he got it from, I'll ask him when he gets back from dinner.

Edit: He heard it from ESPN as well.

It's a phone text virus called the SSNATI (Stupid Sports Network Analyst Trade Idea) virus.

Atocep · 02-05-2008, 09:41 PM

According to ESPN now, the Miami front office is confident a deal will get done with Phoenix.

I can't believe Phoenix would even consider this move. Wanting to improve in the half court or not, he's a horrid fit there.

miami_fan · 02-05-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

According to ESPN now, the Miami front office is confident a deal will get done with Phoenix.

I can't believe Phoenix would even consider this move. Wanting to improve in the half court or not, he's a horrid fit there.

Of course the Heat front office is confident this will happen. If it does Pat Riley deserve to win Executive of the Year this year.

Groundhog · 02-05-2008, 10:05 PM

If Phoenix is willing to make that deal, maybe the Heat could try and get them to include Nash, Stoudamire, and three first rounders as a sweetener?

miami_fan · 02-05-2008, 10:08 PM

Who is handling personnel for the Suns? D'Antoni or Steve Kerr?

stevew · 02-05-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

In other news, the Cavs somehow managed to score 36 points in a quarter, and LeBron is well on his way to a triple double with 8 mins left in the second Q.

I was there tonight, and the team looked very good. They desperately need a post player worth a damn or Gooden/Z to develop a post game, as the Celtics will be in the way in the playoffs. And the Celtics are not deep in the middle at all. There were some amazing dunks. Hell, when you get 15 out of Newble, you know you're in good shape. Bron just couldn't get that 10th board, althoug he could have had several more assists if guys would hit wide-open jumpers.

Hopefully they will figure out a way to make a Mike Miller trade, the guy would be huge here.

In true Drew Gooden style, he had an amazing putback dunk over someone, and managed to hurt himself in the process. Hopefully it was nothing serious, so he can be traded soon.

Jas_lov · 02-06-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

If Phoenix is willing to make that deal, maybe the Heat could try and get them to include Nash, Stoudamire, and three first rounders as a sweetener?

LOL! What the hell are they thinking? How does Shaq fit into the Suns offense? He's fat and slow. And for Shawn Marion. Was he pissed at the team or something? It just doesn't make sense.

stevew · 02-06-2008, 12:18 AM

I keep wondering if there are some buyout provisions in Shaqs contract that we don't know about. Otherwise this one is really puzzling to me. If the Suns were including Diaw, then it makes a ton more sense(trade works if it's Diaw plus Marion for Shaq + Smush Parker)

Chief Rum · 02-06-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Are they just going to keep Shaq on the offensive end and play 4 on 5 defense?

Still better defense that way than with Diaw on the floor.

Young Drachma · 02-06-2008, 12:41 AM

Marion is gonna make D-Wade really happy.

nfg22 · 02-06-2008, 01:08 AM

LOLZORS....This really happened. Just confirmed through ESPN. The Suns just went down the crapper and Miami looks alot better.

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

LOL! What the hell are they thinking? How does Shaq fit into the Suns offense? He's fat and slow. And for Shawn Marion. Was he pissed at the team or something? It just doesn't make sense.

Marion has had grumblings since training camps that he wants to be traded out of Phoenix.

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:17 AM

It's almost done.

Dear God.

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:24 AM

Ok. Let's take a look at it from a rational perspective.

Sure, they are going to lose a lot talent-wise and cap-wise. However, they do get a true center. Flawed? Old? Yes. But a true 5, nontheless. Kerr probably thinks that Diaw can fill in Marion at the 3, with Stoudamire finally playing his natural 4, and Shaq at the 5. They must be pretty confident about Steve Nash's ability to bring Shaq into the offense, then.

But... wow, just wow.

nfg22 · 02-06-2008, 01:27 AM

How does this in anyway help the suns?

nfg22 · 02-06-2008, 01:29 AM

Shaq will clog the middle. Nash thrives off drive and kick. Oh yeah and Shaq has very little post game outside of dunks and putbacks.

Groundhog · 02-06-2008, 01:44 AM

If this trade does indeed go down, I honestly don't know what to think. No stupider trade comes to mind straight away. Did Isaiah Thomas sneak in to the Suns' GM chair?

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:45 AM

Trade is a done deal, pending Shaq's physical

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:45 AM

God have mercy on Steve Kerr.

Brian Swartz · 02-06-2008, 01:56 AM

Totally agree. D'Antoni must be livid inside. I don't think they would have won the title this year, but I think he finally got it after the series with the Spurs last year, talking about the need to stick to doing the things they do well to give themselves the best possible chance. Adding Grant Hill was a positive move in that direction. And then this ...

Trying to match up with Stoudemire and Marion for their big guys was every top opponents nightmare. They don't have to worry about it anymore assuming this stands. Just flat-out unbelievable.

Oh and on the Cavs -- they are still a threat in the East. I don't care what Barkley says. Defense + rebounding + LeBron isn't an easy out in the playoffs for many teams. And I don't see them getting anything for Gooden worth giving up what he gives them(a complete lack of sense, rebounding, mid-range game).

Neon_Chaos · 02-06-2008, 01:59 AM

I hope, for the sake of the Suns' title hopes (not at the expense of the Lakeshow boo-yah!) that this actually works for them.

nfg22 · 02-06-2008, 01:59 AM

Did the Lakers just get even better?

Groundhog · 02-06-2008, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Did the Lakers just get even better?

Every contender in the West just got better.

Meanwhile, the Heat have gone from abysmal to bad, though with a brighter looking horizon.

JeeberD · 02-06-2008, 05:52 AM

This just made me smile...

bulletsponge · 02-06-2008, 08:25 AM

wow. i thought this was just another stupid ESPN rumor. Steve kerr is desperatly trying to compete with McHale and Thomas for worst GM in the NBA. there had to be some half decent center out there he could have traded for

MikeVic · 02-06-2008, 09:05 AM

WHAT THE HELL! Man do I hate Shaq. I don't know if the powers of Nash and Hill can make me still cheer for the Suns.

How can Shaq pass his physical though? I thought he was done.

Subby · 02-06-2008, 09:29 AM

Great trade for the Suns. When Shaq is motivated and on a contending team and getting the fed the ball he steps it up. Suns weren't winning it all with Marion, so the change works.

Say what you will about Shaq, but he's been to the Finals six times. Give him a good supporting cast and I think he can still be special.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-06-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Great trade for the Suns. When Shaq is motivated and on a contending team and getting the fed the ball he steps it up. Suns weren't winning it all with Marion, so the change works.

Say what you will about Shaq, but he's been to the Finals six times. Give him a good supporting cast and I think he can still be special.

I'm not sure I'd go quite this far, but I disagree with those who think it is a terrible trade for Phoenix. I think he can still be a contributor to a Championship team and Phoenix has failed to win multiple times with Marion and the current crew.

MikeVic · 02-06-2008, 09:41 AM

But but, I don't like Shaq and do like Marion, so now my 2nd favourite team may no longer be my 2nd favourite team. But Nash is still there so...

Anthony · 02-06-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm not sure I'd go quite this far, but I disagree with those who think it is a terrible trade for Phoenix. I think he can still be a contributor to a Championship team and Phoenix has failed to win multiple times with Marion and the current crew.

that doesn't mean you make a trade that doesn't improve your team, even if it's only a financial/salary cap improvement. this trade doesn't make sense. Marion for Kirilenko was oodles better. if this was Shaq from 5 years ago and you know you have a small window - yeah, maybe you give up Marion to try to win it all. we're talking about Shaq, the guy many were inquiring if he was gonna retire. he's not athletic enough to be the shotblocker he used to be. he's just a guy biding his time, playing out his contract. this is not an improvement for the Suns. Shaq and Haslem for Marion would've made more sense.

why are people like Kerr and Isaiah allowed to run teams? i have as much know-how and experience running a team that they had when they were given those positions.

Kerr: "we haven't won anything with Marion. i'm going to get him off the team and make the team worse off."

02-04-2008, 08:03 AM	#206
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Kwame is useful afterall. __________________ Come and see.

02-05-2008, 10:02 AM	#207
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RSByXfL4dU Gave me a good chuckle. __________________ Come and see.

02-05-2008, 06:00 PM	#208
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Interesting rumor heating up: Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-05-2008, 06:15 PM	#212
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I could see Phoenix doing it because Cuban has always been fascinated by Shaq. Also, while Shaq obviously can't run with Phoenix he would provide an additional presence in the halfcourt game for the playoffs. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-05-2008, 06:39 PM	#217
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I'd have figured they could get much more useful parts for Marion. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-03-2008, 05:31 PM	#202
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Almost makes up for the Kwame for Caron Butler brainfart.

02-03-2008, 10:02 PM	#205
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	He's a solid PG and will probably take over for D-Fish when he's done

02-05-2008, 06:31 PM	#216
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Also where did you get this rumor? I had it texted to me from ESPN but cant find it on their web page.

02-05-2008, 06:40 PM	#218
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	I personally wouldnt have traded Micheal Olawakandi for Shaq....ok that is a lie I would. But seriously Shaq is washed UP! Last edited by nfg22 : 02-05-2008 at 06:40 PM.

02-05-2008, 06:50 PM	#220
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	In other news, the Cavs somehow managed to score 36 points in a quarter, and LeBron is well on his way to a triple double with 8 mins left in the second Q. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-05-2008, 09:41 PM	#222
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	According to ESPN now, the Miami front office is confident a deal will get done with Phoenix. I can't believe Phoenix would even consider this move. Wanting to improve in the half court or not, he's a horrid fit there.

02-05-2008, 10:05 PM	#224
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	If Phoenix is willing to make that deal, maybe the Heat could try and get them to include Nash, Stoudamire, and three first rounders as a sweetener? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-05-2008, 10:08 PM	#225
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Who is handling personnel for the Suns? D'Antoni or Steve Kerr? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-06-2008, 12:18 AM	#228
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I keep wondering if there are some buyout provisions in Shaqs contract that we don't know about. Otherwise this one is really puzzling to me. If the Suns were including Diaw, then it makes a ton more sense(trade works if it's Diaw plus Marion for Shaq + Smush Parker)

02-06-2008, 12:41 AM	#230
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Marion is gonna make D-Wade really happy. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

02-06-2008, 01:08 AM	#231
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	LOLZORS....This really happened. Just confirmed through ESPN. The Suns just went down the crapper and Miami looks alot better.

02-06-2008, 01:17 AM	#233
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	It's almost done. Dear God. __________________ Come and see.

02-06-2008, 01:24 AM	#234
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Ok. Let's take a look at it from a rational perspective. Sure, they are going to lose a lot talent-wise and cap-wise. However, they do get a true center. Flawed? Old? Yes. But a true 5, nontheless. Kerr probably thinks that Diaw can fill in Marion at the 3, with Stoudamire finally playing his natural 4, and Shaq at the 5. They must be pretty confident about Steve Nash's ability to bring Shaq into the offense, then. But... wow, just wow. __________________ Come and see.

02-06-2008, 01:27 AM	#235
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	How does this in anyway help the suns?

02-06-2008, 01:29 AM	#236
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Shaq will clog the middle. Nash thrives off drive and kick. Oh yeah and Shaq has very little post game outside of dunks and putbacks.

02-06-2008, 01:44 AM	#237
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	If this trade does indeed go down, I honestly don't know what to think. No stupider trade comes to mind straight away. Did Isaiah Thomas sneak in to the Suns' GM chair? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-06-2008, 01:45 AM	#238
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Trade is a done deal, pending Shaq's physical http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns __________________ Come and see.

02-06-2008, 01:45 AM	#239
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	God have mercy on Steve Kerr. __________________ Come and see.

02-06-2008, 01:56 AM	#240
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Totally agree. D'Antoni must be livid inside. I don't think they would have won the title this year, but I think he finally got it after the series with the Spurs last year, talking about the need to stick to doing the things they do well to give themselves the best possible chance. Adding Grant Hill was a positive move in that direction. And then this ... Trying to match up with Stoudemire and Marion for their big guys was every top opponents nightmare. They don't have to worry about it anymore assuming this stands. Just flat-out unbelievable. Oh and on the Cavs -- they are still a threat in the East. I don't care what Barkley says. Defense + rebounding + LeBron isn't an easy out in the playoffs for many teams. And I don't see them getting anything for Gooden worth giving up what he gives them(a complete lack of sense, rebounding, mid-range game). Last edited by Brian Swartz : 02-06-2008 at 01:58 AM.

02-06-2008, 01:59 AM	#241
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I hope, for the sake of the Suns' title hopes (not at the expense of the Lakeshow boo-yah!) that this actually works for them. __________________ Come and see.

02-06-2008, 01:59 AM	#242
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Did the Lakers just get even better?

02-06-2008, 05:52 AM	#244
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	This just made me smile... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-06-2008, 08:25 AM	#245
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	wow. i thought this was just another stupid ESPN rumor. Steve kerr is desperatly trying to compete with McHale and Thomas for worst GM in the NBA. there had to be some half decent center out there he could have traded for

02-06-2008, 09:05 AM	#246
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	WHAT THE HELL! Man do I hate Shaq. I don't know if the powers of Nash and Hill can make me still cheer for the Suns. How can Shaq pass his physical though? I thought he was done.

02-06-2008, 09:29 AM	#247
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Great trade for the Suns. When Shaq is motivated and on a contending team and getting the fed the ball he steps it up. Suns weren't winning it all with Marion, so the change works. Say what you will about Shaq, but he's been to the Finals six times. Give him a good supporting cast and I think he can still be special. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

02-06-2008, 09:41 AM	#249
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	But but, I don't like Shaq and do like Marion, so now my 2nd favourite team may no longer be my 2nd favourite team. But Nash is still there so...

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