OT: Star Wars Episode III - Page 5

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

What do they do? Is this ever explained?

Apparently they regulate his internal body temperature and vitals. I don't think they are necessarily buttons, but rather an information panel.

Pacersfan46 · 05-23-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Also, I love how Bail Organa orders only C3POs memory to be wiped at the end of the movie. That's there strictly for continuity, not to make any sort of logical sense.

Yeah, wipe the protocol droid's memory, but don't touch that droid that's been through a ton of battles and witnessed alllll kinds of extremely important stuff.

Actually it does make sense.

3PO is always talking, and talking, and talking.

R2 is quiet, hard to understand and if you didn't notice, is always entrusted with secret information. He's a stubborn droid that doesn't give up any information.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Actually according to StarWars.com

Malak was a tall human who was horridly injured in a lightsaber duel. A swipe from a laser sword severed his lower jaw, and Malak was forced to wear a metallic jaw guard that hid his disfigurement from view. The guard also included a vocoder, through which Malak spoke with an eerie metallic tone.

Well, you can't believe everything on StarWars.com, freakin' fan site.

I liked my reason better although it would be pretty interesting to see a lightsaber cut someone's jaw off. That would be a very unusual angle.

Franklinnoble · 05-23-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Well, you can't believe everything on StarWars.com, freakin' fan site.

I liked my reason better although it would be pretty interesting to see a lightsaber cut someone's jaw off. That would be a very unusual angle.

Obviously, his opponent had the high ground...

stkelly52 · 05-23-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

And I find it funny how Vader has those buttons and switches on the outside of his body.

What do they do? Is this ever explained?

As you recall, ANH was first released in the seventies. Back then all hollywood computers had buttons and flashing lights that looked like that. They were just trying to emphasis that he was part man and part machine back then.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-23-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan has to be best lightsaber battle in the entire series.

Not even close.

Sure it had a better, flashier setting. Much better stunts. Sure it had flips and whipdee-doodles and such, and had amazing choreography, but it was all style, no substance.

It didn't have the emotional gravitas of any of the following three light saber duels of The Original Trilogy: Obi Wan v. Vader and Luke V. Vader I & II.

What's up with "You've lost, I have the higher ground." What? I mean, clearly he was right, but "Wha?"

Heck, that fight wasn't even the best in the New Trilogy of Suck. The Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan holds that honor. It's a great fight actually. It actually has some style and substance to it.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-23-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Saw it yesterday. Some observations:

Ewan McGregor was just simply awesome as Obi-Wan. His performance was easily the best part of any of the six movies.

Maybe all that time in the box has made you a bit soft... in the head. Two words: Harrison. Ford. Two more words: Han. Solo.

Franklinnoble · 05-23-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

[/list]Maybe all that time in the box has made you a bit soft... in the head. Two words: Harrison. Ford. Two more words: Han. Solo.

Anyone who's been in the box will tell you it certainly doesn't make you soft.

I still think Ewan McGregor was better in ROTS than Harrison Ford in any of the old movies.

Joe · 05-23-2005, 04:15 PM

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

Honolulu_Blue · 05-23-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

It was racialist.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

He gets one in the novelization of A New Hope.

It is also been rumored that it was in the script but was cut out due to the awkardness of a 5'1" Carrie Fisher trying to get the medal over a 6'8" Peter Mayhew.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Not even close.

Sure it had a better, flashier setting. Much better stunts. Sure it had flips and whipdee-doodles and such, and had amazing choreography, but it was all style, no substance.

It didn't have the emotional gravitas of any of the following three light saber duels of The Original Trilogy: Obi Wan v. Vader and Luke V. Vader I & II.

What's up with "You've lost, I have the higher ground." What? I mean, clearly he was right, but "Wha?"

Heck, that fight wasn't even the best in the New Trilogy of Suck. The Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan holds that honor. It's a great fight actually. It actually has some style and substance to it.

Obi Wan v. Vader? WTF?! Two old fogeys swinging slowly at each other? Substance? Hey, lets fight again... kill me and I'll be a ghost and beat you that way. Riiiiight.

For a good lightsaber fight, style is more important than 'substance', whatever 'substance' is supposed to mean.

Has your dislike of this movie blinded you to the greatness of the Anakin v. Obi Wan fight? It was fast and furious and if Obi Wan's crying out "You were my brother" didn't touch you, then you have no soul

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The "You've lost, I have the higher ground" is perfect, especially when juxtaposed with the Yoda v. Palpatine fight. Yoda knows he cannot win and leaves to fight another day. Obi Wan tells Anakin that Anakin cannot win, but he is too arrogant and tries the jump... and gets cut at the knees. Very skillful juxtaposition in those last two fights in RotS.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Anyone who's been in the box will tell you it certainly doesn't make you soft.

I still think Ewan McGregor was better in ROTS than Harrison Ford in any of the old movies.

Yep, I agree. These 'original trilogy were perfect and anything it the prequals must be horrible' people are drinking too much of the Kool Aid, I think. Ewan was the best actor in the entire series. He was excellent in RotS.

Franklinnoble · 05-23-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

From the rarely seen "Alternate Ending" available only on the collectors edition laserdisc of the "Star Wars Holiday Special:"

Han: Hey, 'Your Worship,' don't you think Chewie here deserves a medal?
Luke: Yeah, I think Chewbacca should have a medal.
Leia: I'm not giving a medal to that walking carpet.
Han: Listen here, Princess, Chewbacca did as much to save your neck as any of us.
Leia: I don't care. I'm not approaching any furry alien who's not even wearing pants.
Luke: ...
Han: ...

Yossarian · 05-23-2005, 05:41 PM

Kinda slightly off topic but related to those who can see no wrong in the first three.

Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue).

Similarly, Yoda is like this total 'guru' type dude in the new ones but the first time we see him in the original movies, he is this stupid 'muppet' style puppet who steals sausages and hits things like some dumb kids tv puppet.

The new ones aren't so bad if you just let go and watch them on their own merits. I watched the old ones for the first 'real' time (i've seen but not paid attention before). They were good - but in many ways the new ones are better (in some they are not but it's hardly a wash).

Honolulu_Blue · 05-23-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Obi Wan v. Vader? WTF?! Two old fogeys swinging slowly at each other? Substance? Hey, lets fight again... kill me and I'll be a ghost and beat you that way. Riiiiight.

For a good lightsaber fight, style is more important than 'substance', whatever 'substance' is supposed to mean.

Has your dislike of this movie blinded you to the greatness of the Anakin v. Obi Wan fight? It was fast and furious and if Obi Wan's crying out "You were my brother" didn't touch you, then you have no soul

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The "You've lost, I have the higher ground" is perfect, especially when juxtaposed with the Yoda v. Palpatine fight. Yoda knows he cannot win and leaves to fight another day. Obi Wan tells Anakin that Anakin cannot win, but he is too arrogant and tries the jump... and gets cut at the knees. Very skillful juxtaposition in those last two fights in RotS.

Come on now. I gave certain scenes in this last movie some props. I am not all anti new prequel. I give some love to Darth Maul. There were about a half dozen scenes (see above) that I thought were quite good in this last film.

Anyway, I think you nailed. What the prequels lack is, in fact, a soul. While the obi Wan/Anakin fight was asthetically pleasing (though I could have done without the Frogger-like hopping about on lava) it lacked a soul. The Anakin character was written and acted so poorly that the scene had zero emotional impact. I simply didn't care about that character at all. His "fall" to the Dark Side was so clumsy and odd it just didn't feel real. The scenes where Anakin kills Dooku and Mace Windu are really quite poorly done.

Whereas in Star Wars, when Vader and Obi Wan are staring each other down, it actually feels like you're witnessing a big moment. That scene has a soul. Why? Because Sir Alec Guinness sells Obi Wan as a character, despite his limited screen time.

I could draw a similar comparison to the Matrix and its sequels. While from a pure aesthetic and stylistic stand point some of the fight scenes in the sequels could be considered better, but from a substantive (soul) standpoint they were pretty dull, boring, and lacking. See what I mean?

Honolulu_Blue · 05-23-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

Kinda slightly off topic but related to those who can see no wrong in the first three.

Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue).

Similarly, Yoda is like this total 'guru' type dude in the new ones but the first time we see him in the original movies, he is this stupid 'muppet' style puppet who steals sausages and hits things like some dumb kids tv puppet.

The new ones aren't so bad if you just let go and watch them on their own merits. I watched the old ones for the first 'real' time (i've seen but not paid attention before). They were good - but in many ways the new ones are better (in some they are not but it's hardly a wash).

I re-watched the Original Trilogy recently as well. In fact, we threw ESB Friday night before seeing Sith. Ewoks aside, it's a wash. It's a landslide. While the dialogue in the Original Trilogy aint the snappies thing in the world it is light years, and I do mean, light years ahead of the whince and groan inducing crap served up in these prequels. There is actually witty banter and powerful lines in the Originals, the same cannot be said of the prequels. As witty as we get in the prequels is "I hate it when he does that."

The nostalgia factor cannot be ignored, but it does not explain it all. There are plenty of movies that I loved as a child (Clash of the Titans, Flash Gordon, Battle Beyond the Stars, etc.) that I have watched since and can, and do fully, admit they are horrible movies. I still enjoy watching them from time to time, but they are not good films. The same is not true for the Original Star Wars trilogy.

timmynausea · 05-23-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue).

Han.

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

Funny. I watched A New Hope Sunday morning, and for the millionth time wondered the same thing. Either give him a medal or stand him next to the droids. Don't embarass the guy by bringing him up there and then stiffing him.

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Come on now. I gave certain scenes in this last movie some props. I am not all anti new prequel. I give some love to Darth Maul. There were about a half dozen scenes (see above) that I thought were quite good in this last film.

Anyway, I think you nailed. What the prequels lack is, in fact, a soul. While the obi Wan/Anakin fight was asthetically pleasing (though I could have done without the Frogger-like hopping about on lava) it lacked a soul. The Anakin character was written and acted so poorly that the scene had zero emotional impact. I simply didn't care about that character at all. His "fall" to the Dark Side was so clumsy and odd it just didn't feel real. The scenes where Anakin kills Dooku and Mace Windu are really quite poorly done.

Whereas in Star Wars, when Vader and Obi Wan are staring each other down, it actually feels like you're witnessing a big moment. That scene has a soul. Why? Because Sir Alec Guinness sells Obi Wan as a character, despite his limited screen time.

I could draw a similar comparison to the Matrix and its sequels. While from a pure aesthetic and stylistic stand point some of the fight scenes in the sequels could be considered better, but from a substantive (soul) standpoint they were pretty dull, boring, and lacking. See what I mean?

I thought all the sabre battles in II and III were much too fast. Honestly, it's often hard to even really see exactly what's going on. It's all a blur of special effects. The one major exception in the prequels is the 3-way duel at the end of episode I. The battles are good and not too fast, and I've really grown to love the moment when Qui-Gon and Maul are seperated by that timer-shield thing. It's a perfect contrast to have Qui-Gon meditate while Maul paces like a caged lion. It allows the scene to breathe, and adds a little more depth to both characters.

I wasn't crazy about the sabre-battle itself at the end of Ep III, but I did think Obi-Wan's dialogue was good. You can really feel the disappointment in his every word... just how completely betrayed and severely disappointed he is.

But the whole "surfing on the lava" bit that precedes it is pretty painful in my book.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Anyway, I think you nailed. What the prequels lack is, in fact, a soul. While the obi Wan/Anakin fight was asthetically pleasing (though I could have done without the Frogger-like hopping about on lava) it lacked a soul. The Anakin character was written and acted so poorly that the scene had zero emotional impact. I simply didn't care about that character at all. His "fall" to the Dark Side was so clumsy and odd it just didn't feel real. The scenes where Anakin kills Dooku and Mace Windu are really quite poorly done.

Whereas in Star Wars, when Vader and Obi Wan are staring each other down, it actually feels like you're witnessing a big moment. That scene has a soul. Why? Because Sir Alec Guinness sells Obi Wan as a character, despite his limited screen time.

I though Anakin's fall was very well done. His previous thinking about Padme. Palpatine's words about the Jedi wanting power and seeing Windu so willingly violate the Jedi Code. It was only natural. It was a great scene. So I totally disagree.

And the final fight was great with emotion. Obi-Wan and Anakin, IMO, had good chemistry with each other (as opposed to Obi-Wan and Padme).

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And the final fight was great with emotion. Obi-Wan and Anakin, IMO, had good chemistry with each other (as opposed to Obi-Wan and Padme).

Fascinating. I think Obi-Wan and Padme (well, McGregor and Portman really) had much better chemistry, and felt that coupling was completely underused in the entire trilogy. Honestly, I though they might have gone for some sort of love-triangle angle in Episode 2/3, and it never materialized (yet Anakin was still suspicuous of Obi-Wan, or jealous, or both).

Hayden Christensen flat-out sucked in both movies, and I saw no reason to ever care about Anakin. He was poorly written and very poorly acted. The love story and his fall were not even film-school quality writing.

edit: I should add that Lucas himself deserves pretty much ALL the blame for the poor chemistry/acting performances. It's crystal clear that the man simply cannot direct, and It's no coincidence that the widely-agreed upon "best" SW movie (ESB) was neither written nor directed by him. Portman and McGregor can be good, we've all seen it in other movies. Christensen I believe is a far more limited actor, but I think a better director could have gotten much more out of him.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 09:26 PM

Oops, I meant Anakin and Padme.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 09:33 PM

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He gets one in the novelization of A New Hope.

It is also been rumored that it was in the script but was cut out due to the awkardness of a 5'1" Carrie Fisher trying to get the medal over a 6'8" Peter Mayhew.

To add to my previous statement. In the EU, it seems to be that wearing medals are against the Wookiee belief system.

Also I don't see anyone bitching about Wedge and that Y-Wing guy getting shafted.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 09:36 PM

dola

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It's crystal clear that the man simply cannot direct

I would disagree with this. THX 1138 is great sci-fi and the new director's cut makes it better. American Graffiti was also not bad.

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

To add to my previous statement. In the EU, it seems to be that wearing medals are against the Wookiee belief system.

Also I don't see anyone bitching about Wedge and that Y-Wing guy getting shafted.

Well, those EU writers almost certainly created that belief because of the final scene in ANH.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 05-23-2005, 10:08 PM

So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.

Well, because very few people believe that was the intent of that statement. I believe it's a HUGE leap of faith to say that's what the intent was.

Joe · 05-23-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

To add to my previous statement. In the EU, it seems to be that wearing medals are against the Wookiee belief system.

Also I don't see anyone bitching about Wedge and that Y-Wing guy getting shafted.

Wedge and that Y-Wing guy weren't standing up there beside Luke and Han.

Pacersfan46 · 05-23-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.

I noticed that. I figured it just went right over people's heads. My friends didn't really catch it in the movie theater.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.

I noticed it, didn't have any problem with it.

Pacersfan46 · 05-23-2005, 10:22 PM

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Well, because very few people believe that was the intent of that statement. I believe it's a HUGE leap of faith to say that's what the intent was.

So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force?

I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off.

TargetPractice6 · 05-23-2005, 10:34 PM

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So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force?

I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off.

That's not really what he said. Also when he was speaking of this he said only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him.

cthomer5000 · 05-23-2005, 10:49 PM

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So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force?

I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off.

Find me the word pregnancy in Palpatine's talk with Anakin.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

That's not really what he said. Also when he was speaking of this he said only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him.

Not exactly.

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PALPATINE: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?

ANAKIN: No.

PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.

ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?

PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

ANAKIN: What happened to him?

PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

ANAKIN: Is it possible to learn this power?

PALPATINE: Not from a Jedi.

Since Sideous was the apprentice of Plagueis, then Palp knew.

Of course, Palp has been known to bs on occasion.

And you don't know when Plagueis dies, so he could have created Anakin.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 11:16 PM

Also you don't know if Anakin was concieved by the Force. It's just idle banter around the Jedi table and fans discussing it. It was just as likely that Shmi was impregnated by a Jedi and both wanted to keep it a secret because, as we all know, Jedi aren't allowed to love.

TargetPractice6 · 05-23-2005, 11:24 PM

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Not exactly.

Since Sideous was the apprentice of Plagueis, then Palp knew.

Of course, Palp has been known to bs on occasion.

And you don't know when Plagueis dies, so he could have created Anakin.

PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 11:37 PM

Uh, the guy you were responding to was talking about pregnancy, how does cheating death equate pregnancy?

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So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force?

I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off.

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That's not really what he said. Also when he was speaking of this he said only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him.

Since the only power talked about by the previous poster was a force pregnancy, I naturally assumed "only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him." was in reference to the force pregnancy.

MrBigglesworth · 05-23-2005, 11:41 PM

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Also you don't know if Anakin was concieved by the Force. It's just idle banter around the Jedi table and fans discussing it. It was just as likely that Shmi was impregnated by a Jedi and both wanted to keep it a secret because, as we all know, Jedi aren't allowed to love.

Didn't Shmi say in Episode 1 that there was no father? Or am I imagining that?

TargetPractice6 · 05-23-2005, 11:45 PM

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Uh, the guy you were responding to was talking about pregnancy, how does cheating death equate pregnancy?

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Since the only power talked about by the previous poster was a force pregnancy, I natuarally assumed "only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him." was in reference to the force pregnancy.

I thought the way Palpatine presented the story indicated that "creating life" and "cheating death" were part of the same power, and that only the one lord knew of it.

stevew · 05-23-2005, 11:51 PM

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Didn't Shmi say in Episode 1 that there was no father? Or am I imagining that?

Yeah.

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Shmi Skywalker: There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened.

Also i believe that they make mention of the fact that Anakin was born on some other planet/moon than Tatoine and came there when he was a small child.

ISiddiqui · 05-23-2005, 11:54 PM

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Didn't Shmi say in Episode 1 that there was no father? Or am I imagining that?

Yes... but it could be part and parcel of the the secret love affair of a Jedi with her. It isn't conclusive to me that Palpatine created Anakin. Why Shmi, after all?

TazFTW · 05-23-2005, 11:59 PM

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I thought the way Palpatine presented the story indicated that "creating life" and "cheating death" were part of the same power, and that only the one lord knew of it.

Hmm, okay. I can see that. I still believe he was talking about two different things.

It was left intentionally vague, so people on messageboards can argue about it. Keeps interest in the series.

Pyser · 05-24-2005, 12:02 AM

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Hmm, okay. I can see that. I still believe he was talking about two different things.

It was left intentionally vague, so people on messageboards can argue about it. Keeps interest in the series.

lucas says as much in the new rolling stone.

MrBigglesworth · 05-24-2005, 12:04 AM

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Yes... but it could be part and parcel of the the secret love affair of a Jedi with her. It isn't conclusive to me that Palpatine created Anakin. Why Shmi, after all?

I don't think it goes with the series that they would outright lie about something like that (though they do play word games, like 'Anakin was killed by Darth Vader').

ISiddiqui · 05-24-2005, 12:23 AM

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I don't think it goes with the series that they would outright lie about something like that (though they do play word games, like 'Anakin was killed by Darth Vader').

Why wouldn't a small lie by Shmi herself go with the series? After all, plenty are speculating the Palpatine saying he could keep Padme from dying was merely a lie to get Anakin on his side.

Pacersfan46 · 05-24-2005, 12:29 AM

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Why wouldn't a small lie by Shmi herself go with the series? After all, plenty are speculating the Palpatine saying he could keep Padme from dying was merely a lie to get Anakin on his side.

Actually that's not a lie.

If you've played KOTOR you know what I'm talking about.

A character in the game was kept alive based solely on using the force. I won't say who, or how, as it would be a spoiler for those who haven't played it.

Vince · 05-24-2005, 12:31 AM

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Why wouldn't a small lie by Shmi herself go with the series? After all, plenty are speculating the Palpatine saying he could keep Padme from dying was merely a lie to get Anakin on his side.

Is it really speculation? Palpatine says that Plagueis (sp?) knew how to do it, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then his apprentice killed him. then he says this later --

PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

I caught it in the theater, but none of my friends did, so I haven't been able to discuss it with anyone. Wouldn't this second line indicate that he was indeed lying to Anakin simply to turn him?

stevew · 05-24-2005, 12:32 AM

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Yes... but it could be part and parcel of the the secret love affair of a Jedi with her. It isn't conclusive to me that Palpatine created Anakin. Why Shmi, after all?

Even Qui-Gon appears to have some sort of "weird familiarity" with her in that scene when they are discussing his parentage. Of course im probably reading way too much into it.

Vince · 05-24-2005, 12:33 AM

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Even Qui-Gon appears to have some sort of "weird familiarity" with her in that scene when they are discussing his parentage. Of course im probably reading way too much into it.

Heh, I got a feeling quite like that one, but dismissed it quickly. Maybe there's more to it? Is there any fan fiction on the background there?

05-23-2005, 09:26 PM	#223
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Oops, I meant Anakin and Padme. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-23-2005, 10:08 PM	#227
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh. __________________ Toujour Pret

05-23-2005, 11:16 PM	#236
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Also you don't know if Anakin was concieved by the Force. It's just idle banter around the Jedi table and fans discussing it. It was just as likely that Shmi was impregnated by a Jedi and both wanted to keep it a secret because, as we all know, Jedi aren't allowed to love. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-23-2005, 04:15 PM	#209
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

05-23-2005, 05:41 PM	#215
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	Kinda slightly off topic but related to those who can see no wrong in the first three. Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue). Similarly, Yoda is like this total 'guru' type dude in the new ones but the first time we see him in the original movies, he is this stupid 'muppet' style puppet who steals sausages and hits things like some dumb kids tv puppet. The new ones aren't so bad if you just let go and watch them on their own merits. I watched the old ones for the first 'real' time (i've seen but not paid attention before). They were good - but in many ways the new ones are better (in some they are not but it's hardly a wash).

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