OT: I've Got It (ESPN NFL 2K5) - Page 5

Franklinnoble · 07-23-2004, 12:09 PM

When I shut off clipping, it gave me a pop-up message that certain Crib features might be disabled, or something.

Like I said above, I can do without the Crib, so I didn't care. I still was able to use my "crib" points that I had earned after the game.

Bee · 07-23-2004, 12:15 PM

I wouldn't be interested in the Crib thing, but I just wasn't sure how one would affect the other. Seemed strange to me and I just wanted confirmation. Thanks.

Samdari · 07-23-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Hopefully I can save up and get an Xbox then. I jut have to figure out how to justify spending the $300 on the system, games, and live to my girlfriend which will not be easy.

Can I say I love my wife. Last night I was bemoaning the fact that this one was not made for GameCube. Her response, "You know, I have been thinking we might have bought the wrong system. We should just buy an XBox."

You know, honey, I think you are right, we should.

Franklinnoble · 07-23-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Can I say I love my wife. Last night I was bemoaning the fact that this one was not made for GameCube. Her response, "You know, I have been thinking we might have bought the wrong system. We should just buy an XBox."

You know, honey, I think you are right, we should.

Lucky bastard.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2004, 12:21 PM

Question: if the offense runs a play on second down and at the end of it the defence is flagged for a five yard facemasking, is it still second down?

scooper · 07-23-2004, 12:26 PM

It should be, yes.

gstelmack · 07-23-2004, 12:27 PM

No, it shouldn't. It gets added on to the result of the play.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

No, it shouldn't. It gets added on to the result of the play.

That's what I thought. But in ESPN, it seems to result in the down being played over.

Bee · 07-23-2004, 12:39 PM

Wouldn't it depend on if the 5 extra yards would be enough for a 1st down?

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 12:42 PM

I played game 2 of my Falcons dynasty. I'm not taking the dynasty seriously, as I traded Brooking to get Zach Thomas, one of the DE's to get Ogunleye, and I traded Ladanian Tomlinson for Atlanta's big back (whose name I am forgetting at the moment), grabbed Jerry Rice and Randle El at WR. (Note: I changed the rosters before starting the franchise, so this doesn't have anything to do with poor trade AI.)

Anyhow, in 2 games, my rookie CB (Deangelo Hall maybe?) whose name also escapes me has 4 or 5 interceptions, with three of them returned for TDs. He is my leading scorer. The sad thing was, 3 of them came in the first half of my game last night. So the interceptions are a bit ridiculous, but I guess that's nothing sliders can't fix.

It seems like there are frequent screwups in the highlights. I think Berman said the wrong team got a touchdown in one of the segments, and it just seems like there are blatant errors frequently. Also, like I said yesterday, the highlights seem disjointed. It just seems to pick big plays without mentioning what ultimately happened after them. You'll go from a highlight of Vick hitting Rice (traded for Price) to one of Tom Brady throwing the other way with no mention of what happened in the Atlanta drive.

Also, I must have had that "Well they got a few yards, but I'm sure they were hoping for a little more" comment 5 or 6 times in one game. I agree that having the Sunday Night Crew would be much appreciated over the generic fake announcers.

Anyhow, I'm getting a little more used to the controls. I still hate the tap/charge up button. And I hate the drifting kick arrow. But the game is still impressive in terms of immersion.

I get the feeling that Madden will end up getting the majority of my play time this year. I was reading some hands-on impressions at Madden Planet, and it sounds like the gameplay will be really polished for Madden. The main guy, AndyP, said Madden 2005 represents the biggest leap in the series since it went from PS1 to PS2.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2004, 12:50 PM

Hey, is anyone else seeing a lot of plays where the receiver is hit as he catches the ball, drops it, and it's ruled a fumble? So far in three games I've seen it happen four times, including at least once where the receiver only had a single hand on the ball for about a second. Three of the four were over-turned on challenge, but it still seems odd.

Bee · 07-23-2004, 12:52 PM

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I was reading some hands-on impressions at Madden Planet, and it sounds like the gameplay will be really polished for Madden. The main guy, AndyP, said Madden 2005 represents the biggest leap in the series since it went from PS1 to PS2.

Watch it Kodos, you might pull something pimping Madden that hard.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-23-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

That's what I thought. But in ESPN, it seems to result in the down being played over.

I've gone to several web sites and I can't find any clear statement, but several sites such as NFL.com imply that the down is replayed but from the new spot after the 5 yard penalty unless a 1st down is the result of the play.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I've gone to several web sites and I can't find any clear statement, but several sites such as NFLrules.com imply that the down is replayed but from the new spot after the 5 yard penalty unless a 1st down is the result of the play.

OK. In that case I guess they got it right. I just didn't think you could have a play where the yardage of the original play counted, and you got the down back.

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

Watch it Kodos, you might pull something pimping Madden that hard.

Y'ouch. Just reporting what I read.

Honestly, I think some of my issues with this game come from being hardwired to expect Madden gameplay after all these years. Like I said, I think I will end up spending the most time on Madden this year. And the jury is still out, obviously, since I haven't played Madden 2005 yet. But I was encouraged by what I read over at Madden Planet.

scooper · 07-23-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I've gone to several web sites and I can't find any clear statement, but several sites such as NFL.com imply that the down is replayed but from the new spot after the 5 yard penalty unless a 1st down is the result of the play.

Where did you find it on NFL.com? I found the rules digest but could not find clarification on that.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-23-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

Where did you find it on NFL.com? I found the rules digest but could not find clarification on that.

In the rules digest, it seperates penalties which have the loss of down (combo) penalties and no loss of down. I also went to several other sites which talk about rules, and they all implied that interpertation, but I could not find an explicit clarification.

scooper · 07-23-2004, 01:16 PM

Thanks.

GrantDawg · 07-23-2004, 01:45 PM

As an update to weekly prep...

I have changed Friday and am getting good results across the board. Here is the Friday schedule:

7-on-7 Drills/3/all/no pads
Day off/all/half
film/2/ilb/Run Blocking Scemes
Pos Drills/1/fs/ball reaction
pos drills/1/ss/pattern recog
film/1/hb/Man/zone tendencies
film/1/olb/run/pass distribution

I just wish that you could audible with the offense in Coach mode. This would be a great game with that and without the computer trade bugs.

Bee · 07-23-2004, 01:48 PM

I saw someplace else that they think the computer trade issues are associated with the weekly coaching prep. (As in, if you turn off the weekly coaching thing the trade AI functions more normally). Maybe someone here can either verify or discount this?

GrantDawg · 07-23-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

I saw someplace else that they think the computer trade issues are associated with the weekly coaching prep. (As in, if you turn off the weekly coaching thing the trade AI functions more normally). Maybe someone here can either verify or discount this?

That would figure.

Flasch186 · 07-23-2004, 02:00 PM

Why in the heck would one have to do with the other? And why now damnit do i have to start my franchise over, again? And why on Xbox live do I seem to go head up against people with very little, or a menial grsp of the English language. Now before I get slapped and you say, "Well hey, they speak Japanese." NO, they spoke English but remember Brad Pitt from Snatch...like that but with a "twang". Horrible, lots of silences on the headset. Great concept, just wish they'd match you up with someone who could speak.

BTW my handle is Flasch186

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

Why in the heck would one have to do with the other? And why now damnit do i have to start my franchise over, again?

You'll need to start over if the AI has already been making bad trades, but you can turn the weekly prep off in mid-season.

Sun Tzu · 07-23-2004, 02:06 PM

I'm 0-5. In my last game against the Cardinals I tied the game up 14-14 with 15 seconds left. They only had time for a hail mary, so I called prevent defense. For whatever reason my guys decided to cover everybody EXCEPT for Boldin, and he caught the pass and ran for an addition 30 yards down to the 10 yard line. Cardinals call timeout, kick a field goal, I lose. WTF is wrong with this team? I've lost three games in the last thirty seconds due to idiotic defensive backs that apparently don't like to follow what the play diagram tells them to do.

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 02:40 PM

I had Jerry Rice catch a hail mary between 4 defenders last night. Of course, I was down by multiple scores and still lost so it didn't matter, but he shouldn't have caught it when he was literally surrounded by 4 guys.

LionsFan10 · 07-23-2004, 02:45 PM

So it seems like after the initial shock of the presentation/graphics of this game wears off, the game quickly becomes "okay." That sucks, I was really hoping this game would be better then Madden's same ol', same ol' every year.

Ah well.

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 03:06 PM

It does have a real WOW effect from a presentation standpoint, but yeah, the game play itself hasn't knocked my socks off. Of course, as I've said before, it's probably a matter of personal taste. I'm used to Madden, so any other scheme probably would seem "off" to me.

But then, many of the issues that have been brought up have little to do with personal tastes.

GrantDawg · 07-23-2004, 04:22 PM

Played my first game online. It was on Pro level. I won 14-7 with a pass to Price in the last 10 seconds. The guy I was playing made me look good. He started by just running the ball, and then he would just roll Quincy Carter out and tack off. He did that about three times in a row until I remembered the "bear" package where you can blitz the ss on one side and the olb from the other. Then he got to where he would run backward and throw off foot. I picked up three interceptions. It just goes to show how bad I am that I only scored twice.

sabotai · 07-23-2004, 04:36 PM

I just played two games.

The first was Giants vs. Denver. That game was ended as I exited the game because they were winning 24-0 and I thought it'd be a good idea to find those tutorials.

Afterwards, I started up a franchise. My first pre-season game was vs. the Texans. I won the game 17-13 despite Warner throwing 5 INTs (With I'd say 3 or 4 of them because of my n00bness with ESPN Football). Two big goalline stances by my defense was another reason. I played on All-Pro and the stats were (to someone who plays NCAA and Madden) surprisingly ultra-realistic. On a default difficulty setting (9 Min Quarters). Who would have thought it possible?

As for gameplay, WOW! I am really impressed. And it's the little things. It's the running back stumbling for a few yards occasionally after knocking someone down with a shoulder or stiff. It's the defense actually getting called for pass interference. After getting an average 0.02 penelty calls per game on NCAA, it was nice to see some flags thrown. Still low, as I think I only had 3 or 4 in the game, but it was nice to see them (and to see them against the AI opponent).

Another thing that really bugged me about Madden and NCAA was when the play would result in a TD, the player stopped almost immediately after hitting the goalline, stand there for a second or two and then go into whatever post-scoring animation was called in. In ESPN, it's all one fluid motion, with the runner still running after he passes the goalline for a couple of yards.

I'll post more thoughts later. Next up in Week 3 of pre-season, Green Bay.

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 05:24 PM

Heh. I had a cool endzone thing last night where the CPU runner barreled into the endzone and then went a couple more steps to smash into my CB who was still engaged in a block for good measure.

Franklinnoble · 07-23-2004, 05:27 PM

Anyone else had any luck with late hits? I had one last night that I didn't get flagged for... I'm still waiting for a late hit - ambulance sequence.

sabotai · 07-23-2004, 06:21 PM

Well, so far my only really big complaint is that Challenges are defaulted to OFF. I didn't see that until Tiki got the 1st down one a 4th down try but was given a piss poor spot and it was a turnover on downs.

"What the fuck!? Why isn't the Challenge option lit!? Is it an option?....WTF? It's OFF!?"

That's it so far.

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 06:58 PM

Don't you mean "What the f*ck!?"

sabotai · 07-23-2004, 07:08 PM

Oh sorry, actually I meant "W**t **e fuck!?"

Kodos · 07-23-2004, 07:10 PM

Or "What the fuc*!?"

jeff061 · 07-23-2004, 08:24 PM

Lack of late hits is fine by me. In 2k4 I'd always try to switch to a DB to hit a reciever but I'd try and change to fast, and end up hitting the QB and getting flagged.

cincyreds · 07-23-2004, 10:29 PM

anyone see uniforms get dirty yet?

Eaglesfan27 · 07-23-2004, 10:36 PM

I have seen plenty of uniforms get dirty. The wierd thing is the QB's uniform seems to clean itself just as he steps under center, unless that is just my imagination.

MizzouRah · 07-23-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LionsFan10

So it seems like after the initial shock of the presentation/graphics of this game wears off, the game quickly becomes "okay." That sucks, I was really hoping this game would be better then Madden's same ol', same ol' every year.

Ah well.

You might be right. I haven't had much time with the game, but some of the little glitches get on my nerves. I HATE having to turn clipping off due to the fact a RB can get sprung for a long game while your CB gets smacked in the back.

I'm wondering if the early release date hampered this game somewhat? Seems like they thought.. well, we don't care if it's ready or not, we need to beat Madden out the door this year.

I took back some old games and reserved Madden, I was going to rent it, but I usually get all football games anyway. Lets just say I'll have plenty of football games to keep my busy this season.

I also like the fact of taking NCAA players and drafting them into Madden.

One more thing.. having to set quarter lenghts for sim stats really pisses me off. Why can't they get that right?

Todd

Eaglesfan27 · 07-24-2004, 02:18 AM

I guess I missed it. Todd, what length quarters are you using for simulations and what length for played out games?

I haven't gotten to play this game much, and I'm still in the awe stage at the presentation aspects.

gstelmack · 07-24-2004, 07:15 AM

What's the deal with wanting to turn clipping off? Did I miss a post? I've played 4 games so far and haven't seen a single clip called yet. I'm playing All Pro with no sliders or penalties adjusted.

henry296 · 07-24-2004, 08:21 AM

When clipping is called your RB gets negative yards.

MizzouRah · 07-24-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I guess I missed it. Todd, what length quarters are you using for simulations and what length for played out games?

I haven't gotten to play this game much, and I'm still in the awe stage at the presentation aspects.

I think 9 mins for played out games, but I need some more playing time as 10 was looking ok as well. Sim games I don't know about yet, I haven't started a franchise yet, but I'll find out and post it here.

I'm at the Ozarks this weekend, so no Xbox. I'm hoping to get a franchise going on Sunday... and I'll find out what people are using for sim games.

Todd

sabotai · 07-24-2004, 04:05 PM

Now I have a really big problem with this game. One that may have me running to Madden.

Picture it. NYG vs. WAS, the Redskins are winning 17-13 at the 2 minute warning. Eli Manning, in his second season, takes the snap at the Washington 15, drops back and hits Toomer for the TOUCHDOWN! New York now leads 20-17.

Washington gets the ball, drivs the field and with 1:05 left misses a long FG attempt. NY gets the ball, runs three plays forcing Washington to use all 3 time outs. But they get no where and have to punt the ball. Washing manages a first down or two but with no time outs are left with just 11 seconds left as Ramsey spikes the ball at the NYG 35 yard line.

Ramsey takes the snap, throws a bomb, it's COMPLETE! To the New York 32 yard line but with only 5 seconds left, not enough time to run up and spike the ball and the game is over....

But it's not. Up comes with play call screen with the AI's FG attampt already selected (no time runs down), I pick FG block thinking "wtf....", to the game where the AI lines up and snaps the ball with 1 second left and hits the FG to send into overtime.

Not possible. Not even remotely possible. It's possible for receivers to drop 12 balls in a single game (which happened twice to me in NCAA). It is outside the realm of possibility for a FG unti to come onto the field, have the OL from 30 yards back run up, set up, and snap the football in under 5 seconds. It's just not possible.

I hit Simulate to end (I lose).....I don't save it. I turn off my XBox.

Good thing this game only set me back 20 bucks...

Flasch186 · 07-24-2004, 04:35 PM

can this stuff be fixed via download through xbox live?

Pumpy Tudors · 07-24-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

can this stuff be fixed via download through xbox live?

Can it? Yes.

Will it?

Eaglesfan27 · 07-24-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Now I have a really big problem with this game. One that may have me running to Madden.

Picture it. NYG vs. WAS, the Redskins are winning 17-13 at the 2 minute warning. Eli Manning, in his second season, takes the snap at the Washington 15, drops back and hits Toomer for the TOUCHDOWN! New York now leads 20-17.

Washington gets the ball, drivs the field and with 1:05 left misses a long FG attempt. NY gets the ball, runs three plays forcing Washington to use all 3 time outs. But they get no where and have to punt the ball. Washing manages a first down or two but with no time outs are left with just 11 seconds left as Ramsey spikes the ball at the NYG 35 yard line.

Ramsey takes the snap, throws a bomb, it's COMPLETE! To the New York 32 yard line but with only 5 seconds left, not enough time to run up and spike the ball and the game is over....

But it's not. Up comes with play call screen with the AI's FG attampt already selected (no time runs down), I pick FG block thinking "wtf....", to the game where the AI lines up and snaps the ball with 1 second left and hits the FG to send into overtime.

Not possible. Not even remotely possible. It's possible for receivers to drop 12 balls in a single game (which happened twice to me in NCAA). It is outside the realm of possibility for a FG unti to come onto the field, have the OL from 30 yards back run up, set up, and snap the football in under 5 seconds. It's just not possible.

I hit Simulate to end (I lose).....I don't save it. I turn off my XBox.

Good thing this game only set me back 20 bucks...

That situation is just terrible. If that happens frequently, that would kill my enjoyment of my franchise.

SirFozzie · 07-24-2004, 05:09 PM

Well, I'm 2-0 online, with a 16-10 OT win. Whattagame

JeeberD · 07-24-2004, 05:13 PM

I'll probably be on later this evening and will be looking to play my first on-line game...

Joe Canadian · 07-24-2004, 05:34 PM

Can someone explain how the cap works in the NFL? It's been awhile since I've played FOF or TPF, and for some reason I've forgotten everything...

Why is it that when I trade a $9 Mil guy for a $400 K guy, my Cap status gets worse instead of better... same thing when trading Big Salary guys for just picks?????

07-23-2004, 12:21 PM	#205
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Question: if the offense runs a play on second down and at the end of it the defence is flagged for a five yard facemasking, is it still second down? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-23-2004, 12:27 PM	#207
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	No, it shouldn't. It gets added on to the result of the play. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

07-23-2004, 12:42 PM	#210
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I played game 2 of my Falcons dynasty. I'm not taking the dynasty seriously, as I traded Brooking to get Zach Thomas, one of the DE's to get Ogunleye, and I traded Ladanian Tomlinson for Atlanta's big back (whose name I am forgetting at the moment), grabbed Jerry Rice and Randle El at WR. (Note: I changed the rosters before starting the franchise, so this doesn't have anything to do with poor trade AI.) Anyhow, in 2 games, my rookie CB (Deangelo Hall maybe?) whose name also escapes me has 4 or 5 interceptions, with three of them returned for TDs. He is my leading scorer. The sad thing was, 3 of them came in the first half of my game last night. So the interceptions are a bit ridiculous, but I guess that's nothing sliders can't fix. It seems like there are frequent screwups in the highlights. I think Berman said the wrong team got a touchdown in one of the segments, and it just seems like there are blatant errors frequently. Also, like I said yesterday, the highlights seem disjointed. It just seems to pick big plays without mentioning what ultimately happened after them. You'll go from a highlight of Vick hitting Rice (traded for Price) to one of Tom Brady throwing the other way with no mention of what happened in the Atlanta drive. Also, I must have had that "Well they got a few yards, but I'm sure they were hoping for a little more" comment 5 or 6 times in one game. I agree that having the Sunday Night Crew would be much appreciated over the generic fake announcers. Anyhow, I'm getting a little more used to the controls. I still hate the tap/charge up button. And I hate the drifting kick arrow. But the game is still impressive in terms of immersion. I get the feeling that Madden will end up getting the majority of my play time this year. I was reading some hands-on impressions at Madden Planet, and it sounds like the gameplay will be really polished for Madden. The main guy, AndyP, said Madden 2005 represents the biggest leap in the series since it went from PS1 to PS2. Last edited by Kodos : 07-23-2004 at 12:45 PM.

07-23-2004, 12:50 PM	#211
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Hey, is anyone else seeing a lot of plays where the receiver is hit as he catches the ball, drops it, and it's ruled a fumble? So far in three games I've seen it happen four times, including at least once where the receiver only had a single hand on the ball for about a second. Three of the four were over-turned on challenge, but it still seems odd. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-23-2004, 02:00 PM	#222
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	Why in the heck would one have to do with the other? And why now damnit do i have to start my franchise over, again? And why on Xbox live do I seem to go head up against people with very little, or a menial grsp of the English language. Now before I get slapped and you say, "Well hey, they speak Japanese." NO, they spoke English but remember Brad Pitt from Snatch...like that but with a "twang". Horrible, lots of silences on the headset. Great concept, just wish they'd match you up with someone who could speak. BTW my handle is Flasch186 __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

07-23-2004, 12:09 PM	#201
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	When I shut off clipping, it gave me a pop-up message that certain Crib features might be disabled, or something. Like I said above, I can do without the Crib, so I didn't care. I still was able to use my "crib" points that I had earned after the game.

07-23-2004, 12:15 PM	#202
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I wouldn't be interested in the Crib thing, but I just wasn't sure how one would affect the other. Seemed strange to me and I just wanted confirmation. Thanks.

07-23-2004, 12:26 PM	#206
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	It should be, yes.

07-23-2004, 12:39 PM	#209
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Wouldn't it depend on if the 5 extra yards would be enough for a 1st down?

07-23-2004, 01:16 PM	#218
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Thanks.

07-23-2004, 01:45 PM	#219
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	As an update to weekly prep... I have changed Friday and am getting good results across the board. Here is the Friday schedule: 7-on-7 Drills/3/all/no pads Day off/all/half film/2/ilb/Run Blocking Scemes Pos Drills/1/fs/ball reaction pos drills/1/ss/pattern recog film/1/hb/Man/zone tendencies film/1/olb/run/pass distribution I just wish that you could audible with the offense in Coach mode. This would be a great game with that and without the computer trade bugs.

07-23-2004, 01:48 PM	#220
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I saw someplace else that they think the computer trade issues are associated with the weekly coaching prep. (As in, if you turn off the weekly coaching thing the trade AI functions more normally). Maybe someone here can either verify or discount this?

07-23-2004, 02:06 PM	#224
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I'm 0-5. In my last game against the Cardinals I tied the game up 14-14 with 15 seconds left. They only had time for a hail mary, so I called prevent defense. For whatever reason my guys decided to cover everybody EXCEPT for Boldin, and he caught the pass and ran for an addition 30 yards down to the 10 yard line. Cardinals call timeout, kick a field goal, I lose. WTF is wrong with this team? I've lost three games in the last thirty seconds due to idiotic defensive backs that apparently don't like to follow what the play diagram tells them to do. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

07-23-2004, 02:40 PM	#225
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I had Jerry Rice catch a hail mary between 4 defenders last night. Of course, I was down by multiple scores and still lost so it didn't matter, but he shouldn't have caught it when he was literally surrounded by 4 guys.

07-23-2004, 02:45 PM	#226
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	So it seems like after the initial shock of the presentation/graphics of this game wears off, the game quickly becomes "okay." That sucks, I was really hoping this game would be better then Madden's same ol', same ol' every year. Ah well. __________________ It's true, it's true.

07-23-2004, 03:06 PM	#227
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	It does have a real WOW effect from a presentation standpoint, but yeah, the game play itself hasn't knocked my socks off. Of course, as I've said before, it's probably a matter of personal taste. I'm used to Madden, so any other scheme probably would seem "off" to me. But then, many of the issues that have been brought up have little to do with personal tastes.

07-23-2004, 04:22 PM	#228
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Played my first game online. It was on Pro level. I won 14-7 with a pass to Price in the last 10 seconds. The guy I was playing made me look good. He started by just running the ball, and then he would just roll Quincy Carter out and tack off. He did that about three times in a row until I remembered the "bear" package where you can blitz the ss on one side and the olb from the other. Then he got to where he would run backward and throw off foot. I picked up three interceptions. It just goes to show how bad I am that I only scored twice.

07-23-2004, 04:36 PM	#229
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I just played two games. The first was Giants vs. Denver. That game was ended as I exited the game because they were winning 24-0 and I thought it'd be a good idea to find those tutorials. Afterwards, I started up a franchise. My first pre-season game was vs. the Texans. I won the game 17-13 despite Warner throwing 5 INTs (With I'd say 3 or 4 of them because of my n00bness with ESPN Football). Two big goalline stances by my defense was another reason. I played on All-Pro and the stats were (to someone who plays NCAA and Madden) surprisingly ultra-realistic. On a default difficulty setting (9 Min Quarters). Who would have thought it possible? As for gameplay, WOW! I am really impressed. And it's the little things. It's the running back stumbling for a few yards occasionally after knocking someone down with a shoulder or stiff. It's the defense actually getting called for pass interference. After getting an average 0.02 penelty calls per game on NCAA, it was nice to see some flags thrown. Still low, as I think I only had 3 or 4 in the game, but it was nice to see them (and to see them against the AI opponent). Another thing that really bugged me about Madden and NCAA was when the play would result in a TD, the player stopped almost immediately after hitting the goalline, stand there for a second or two and then go into whatever post-scoring animation was called in. In ESPN, it's all one fluid motion, with the runner still running after he passes the goalline for a couple of yards. I'll post more thoughts later. Next up in Week 3 of pre-season, Green Bay.

07-23-2004, 05:24 PM	#230
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Heh. I had a cool endzone thing last night where the CPU runner barreled into the endzone and then went a couple more steps to smash into my CB who was still engaged in a block for good measure. Last edited by Kodos : 07-23-2004 at 05:24 PM.

07-23-2004, 05:27 PM	#231
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Anyone else had any luck with late hits? I had one last night that I didn't get flagged for... I'm still waiting for a late hit - ambulance sequence.

07-23-2004, 06:21 PM	#232
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Well, so far my only really big complaint is that Challenges are defaulted to OFF. I didn't see that until Tiki got the 1st down one a 4th down try but was given a piss poor spot and it was a turnover on downs. "What the fuck!? Why isn't the Challenge option lit!? Is it an option?....WTF? It's OFF!?" That's it so far.

07-23-2004, 06:58 PM	#233
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Don't you mean "What the f*ck!?"

07-23-2004, 07:08 PM	#234
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Oh sorry, actually I meant "Wt e fuck!?"

07-23-2004, 07:10 PM	#235
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Or "What the fuc*!?"

07-23-2004, 08:24 PM	#236
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Lack of late hits is fine by me. In 2k4 I'd always try to switch to a DB to hit a reciever but I'd try and change to fast, and end up hitting the QB and getting flagged. __________________

07-23-2004, 10:29 PM	#237
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	anyone see uniforms get dirty yet? __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

07-23-2004, 10:36 PM	#238
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I have seen plenty of uniforms get dirty. The wierd thing is the QB's uniform seems to clean itself just as he steps under center, unless that is just my imagination. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

07-24-2004, 02:18 AM	#240
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I guess I missed it. Todd, what length quarters are you using for simulations and what length for played out games? I haven't gotten to play this game much, and I'm still in the awe stage at the presentation aspects. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

07-24-2004, 07:15 AM	#241
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	What's the deal with wanting to turn clipping off? Did I miss a post? I've played 4 games so far and haven't seen a single clip called yet. I'm playing All Pro with no sliders or penalties adjusted. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

07-24-2004, 08:21 AM	#242
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	When clipping is called your RB gets negative yards. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-24-2004, 04:05 PM	#244
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Now I have a really big problem with this game. One that may have me running to Madden. Picture it. NYG vs. WAS, the Redskins are winning 17-13 at the 2 minute warning. Eli Manning, in his second season, takes the snap at the Washington 15, drops back and hits Toomer for the TOUCHDOWN! New York now leads 20-17. Washington gets the ball, drivs the field and with 1:05 left misses a long FG attempt. NY gets the ball, runs three plays forcing Washington to use all 3 time outs. But they get no where and have to punt the ball. Washing manages a first down or two but with no time outs are left with just 11 seconds left as Ramsey spikes the ball at the NYG 35 yard line. Ramsey takes the snap, throws a bomb, it's COMPLETE! To the New York 32 yard line but with only 5 seconds left, not enough time to run up and spike the ball and the game is over.... But it's not. Up comes with play call screen with the AI's FG attampt already selected (no time runs down), I pick FG block thinking "wtf....", to the game where the AI lines up and snaps the ball with 1 second left and hits the FG to send into overtime. Not possible. Not even remotely possible. It's possible for receivers to drop 12 balls in a single game (which happened twice to me in NCAA). It is outside the realm of possibility for a FG unti to come onto the field, have the OL from 30 yards back run up, set up, and snap the football in under 5 seconds. It's just not possible. I hit Simulate to end (I lose).....I don't save it. I turn off my XBox. Good thing this game only set me back 20 bucks... Last edited by sabotai : 07-24-2004 at 04:07 PM.

07-24-2004, 04:35 PM	#245
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	can this stuff be fixed via download through xbox live? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

07-24-2004, 05:09 PM	#248
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Well, I'm 2-0 online, with a 16-10 OT win. Whattagame __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-24-2004, 05:13 PM	#249
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I'll probably be on later this evening and will be looking to play my first on-line game... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

07-24-2004, 05:34 PM	#250
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	Can someone explain how the cap works in the NFL? It's been awhile since I've played FOF or TPF, and for some reason I've forgotten everything... Why is it that when I trade a $9 Mil guy for a $400 K guy, my Cap status gets worse instead of better... same thing when trading Big Salary guys for just picks?????