Alright boyz, here we go (OOTP6 Thoughts!)

[Ksyrup]

I don't use screensavers, so that couldn't be what caused my crash.

[Schedule Junkie]

Originally Posted by GoSeahawks

Schedule Junkie, are you LeGrande Orange over at the OOTP boards?

Why yes, yes I am. Would that be bad?

I picked the LGO nickname for the OOTP boards a couple of years ago, before I got interested in the whole subject of baseball schedules. The nick I used for here just seems to make more sense given the acquired interest.

[Jon]

My game crashed for the first time prior to the 2005 offseason when I pressed the sign coaches/scout option.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Some kind of glitch...

I successfully claimed my first player off waivers, and received an email that said I got the player and I signed him. Anyways the email had an "open trade window" on it so I clicked it and it had a random player (not the player I claimed off waivers) with no team attached wanting cash.

I just ignored it but it was kind of goofy.

[Robbiero67]

Ok..I am still having a great deal of trouble reading the text throughout the software's interface. I disabled the 3D option, but it didn't help much. The type is very blurry and just seems poorly done, does anyone know why this may be? Is there anything I can do to fix it? Is anyone else having the same issue?

Thanks...

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by Robbiero67

The type is very blurry and just seems poorly done, does anyone know why this may be? Is there anything I can do to fix it? Is anyone else having the same issue?

I did not have this problem. I suspect some of the following :

(1) resolution set too high for your monitor
(2) bad monitor
(3) bad eyes (undetected vision impairment)

There may be something else, but one of those three has always been the culprit when I've had trouble with text on the screen.

[Robbiero67]

1) Resolution is set at lowest poss. 800x600, so I don't think thats it. What do you have your's set at Tek?

2) The monitor is relatively new (DELL 17" Desktop) that has no issues reading other text.

3) I don't have the best eyesight, but I can read everything else on my computer without any problems whatsoever, so I'm pretty sure thats not it either...

I appreciate the help, but I really don't think it is one of the aforementioned issues (unless my res is way out of whack)...really curious to see if anyone else has had any similar issues?

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by Robbiero67

1) Resolution is set at lowest poss. 800x600, so I don't think thats it. What do you have your's set at Tek?

2) The monitor is relatively new (DELL 17" Desktop) that has no issues reading other text.

3) I don't have the best eyesight, but I can read everything else on my computer without any problems whatsoever, so I'm pretty sure thats not it either...

I appreciate the help, but I really don't think it is one of the aforementioned issues (unless my res is way out of whack)...really curious to see if anyone else has had any similar issues?

If you move your screen resolution up to 1024X768, it should take care of it. If your resolution is smaller than that, I think the game has to try and shrink everything and that results in the blurry text.

[Robbiero67]

Great, thanks for the help guys, turns out it was the Res...

[Buccaneer]

Kind of reminds me of the some of the complaints about FOF4. Most of the changes were under the hood, as Jim declared, to make it a better game. In OOTP, this was by far the biggest complaint about the series since I first learned about this game in v.3. So with v.6 you got what you wanted and still complaining?

From my reading of things, the complaint are very picayune (tm - SkyDog) compared to those after v.4 and v.5.

[HornedFrog Purple]

well people who want things fixed under the hood always have to wait for the pretty pictures, cuter interface and other assorted fluff people to get their whining out of the way.

[RPI-Fan]

Bucc: I completely disagree re: FOF4.

FOF4 completely redid the interface, and did a pretty good job of it. There didn't seem to be many "system" changes - drafting and FA were exactly the same.

[Marmel]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Kind of reminds me of the some of the complaints about FOF4. Most of the changes were under the hood, as Jim declared, to make it a better game. In OOTP, this was by far the biggest complaint about the series since I first learned about this game in v.3. So with v.6 you got what you wanted and still complaining?

From my reading of things, the complaint are very picayune (tm - SkyDog) compared to those after v.4 and v.5.

There are under the hood changes, however I don't see them as bettering the game. That is my main beef with the game (and series in general).

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Marmel

There are under the hood changes, however I don't see them as bettering the game. That is my main beef with the game (and series in general).

How can you make such a decision after only having the game for a day or so? Have you been able to definitively test what the changes are and how they affect the game? If not, then how can you say that they don't better the game and that you have a beef with it? I'm certainly not a fanboy since I don't give a shit, but your dislike of this version of OOTP seems automatic and irrational.


Edit: Carp suck balls.

Edit: Ahhh, so the larger the number, the larger the text.......

[Ksyrup]

Anyone noticing that relievers are getting into a few too many games, in terms of the league leaders? I've just simmed from 2004 to 2018 (with no crashes so far this time), and the league leaders in games pitched are 110 and 105 in each league. The guy with 110 never had quite that many in another season, but that one season was interesting - 133 IP and no starts, but with a 15-7 record and 4 saves (maybe he was the beneficiary of one of those low-endurance starters - I'll have to check that year's almanac). The guy with 105 games has pitched in 101, 95, and 89 games in other years.

This kind of thing should be rare. However, I just looked through the current rosters and found 3 guys over 100 appearances, with another 10-15 over 90. One team had 5 guys with 80+ appearances!

[Ksyrup]

OK, I'm seeing some definite cause for concern here...

Teams with relievers pitching 80+ games are doing so because of the starter/low endurance issue. I've looked at a couple of these teams with pitchers appearing in at least 100 games, and they got something in common - at least one guy who starts a bunch of games, but averages 5 innings or less per start.

Looking at the 2018 season - the team with 5 guys with 80+ appearances - I found one guy who underscores the problem:

Year	G	GS	W	L	SV	ERA	IP	HA	R	ER	BB	K	CG	SHO	WHIP	Teams
2004	13	13	4	8	0	4.95	80.0	89	46	44	15	46	1	0	1.30	OC
2005	24	14	4	3	0	3.26	113.1	114	49	41	26	66	1	0	1.24	OC
2006	37	37	17	7	0	2.84	250.1	238	93	79	62	150	4	4	1.20	OC,L2
2007	37	37	7	16	0	3.96	229.1	236	111	101	55	143	0	0	1.27	OC
2008	33	33	5	11	0	4.30	184.0	199	97	88	41	104	0	0	1.30	OC
2009	36	36	12	13	0	4.27	206.1	236	110	98	32	127	0	0	1.30	OC
2010	34	34	11	10	0	4.07	196.2	200	94	89	54	121	0	0	1.29	OC
2011	33	18	3	9	0	5.42	113.0	138	71	68	26	59	0	0	1.45	OC
2012	31	18	3	5	0	4.33	116.1	130	60	56	26	60	0	0	1.34	OC
2013	37	24	5	10	2	3.90	152.1	151	69	66	40	105	0	0	1.25	OC
2014	33	33	0	8	0	3.05	109.1	113	47	37	28	56	0	0	1.29	OC
2015	45	45	1	12	0	3.63	153.2	156	70	62	41	80	1	1	1.28	OC
2016	45	45	1	13	0	3.16	156.2	143	62	55	32	87	0	0	1.12	OC
2017	46	45	1	11	0	3.81	153.2	151	70	65	35	58	0	0	1.21	OC
2018	41	41	0	10	0	3.50	139.0	136	57	54	19	88	0	0	1.12	OC
Total	525	473	74	146	2	3.83	2354.0	2430	1106	1003	532	1350	7	5	1.26

11 years of "normal" starting pitcher stats (although it appears he was injured quite frequently), and then 5 years of a high number of starts, but low number of innings pitched. And his record over those 5 years...3-54, with a mid-3 ERA???

This must be fixed before I put a significant amount of time into this game. It's got to be caused by the move from separate endurance ratings to one endurance rating. Guys are losing endurance but still have good stuff, and the AI isn't recognizing the difference between a starter with decreased endurance and a reliever.

Not sure what the answer is, as I'm not entirely sure I see many pitchers IRL who maintain above-average stuff, yet somehow lose the ability to pitch 6 innings per start, and then are converted to reliever. It seems to me that some guys are converted to reliever because of injury concerns - Smoltz, Dreifort - but most guys who become relievers after being starters are converted because they can't pitch effectively for 5-6 innings anymore - it's related more to their ability than their endurance.

[Ksyrup]

BTW, I don't know what's going on with the scrollbar thingy in my previous post, but if anyone can post those numbers so that they all fit on the screen, I'd appreciate it.

That's enough for one night, I'm going to...watch the end of the Calgary/Vancouver game!

EDIT: I think I fixed it.

[kingnebwsu]

Are offensive numbers too high? Scrolling through teams' averages and seeing lots of .280's and up kind of worried me. (Shrug) maybe I'm wrong.

[Z²+]

This is my first version of the game, maybe someone can help explain this to me. I used the CBL rosters and took over the Pirates. On my financial report screen, it tells me I have about 2 million in cash. Lower on the screen, it tells me I have 41 million for free agents and 32 for extensions. I'm not understanding this...where is all that extra money for FA/EXT coming from if I only have 2 million in cash?

Thanks in advance

[TazFTW]

From the OOTP Boards,

Per Markus..

Here is the formula for every case:

Extensions:

$$ left = [Last year marketing revenue + Last year Gate revenue + This year TV contract + Cash] - [salary of players with 2 or more years left on their contract + extensions signed + salary of coaches]

Free agent period:

$$ left = [Last year marketing revenue + Last year Gate revenue + This year TV contract + Cash] - [salary of players on the team + salary of players that have a contract offer + salary of coaches]

Signing free agents during season:

$$ left = [Last year marketing revenue + Last year Gate revenue + This year TV contract + Cash] - [salary of players on the team + salary of coaches]

Hope that helps!

Playoff revenue is not used, it only influences your cash when proceeding to the next season.

[Ben E Lou]

Man, I gotta give props for this. I don't know if it happens often, but this was good to see. It is late July, and I'm battling for first place in my division. KC, who is 11 games out of first, calls up with a trade offer of a 35-year-old SS who is better than my current starter for two solid prospects. Nice!

[Ben E Lou]

There is *definitely* some discrepancy about the number of starts guys get. Make sure that your era settings are set to "fair" (which SHOULD be the default). I just checked a 20-year career, and the #1's are maxing out at 38 starts, right where it should be. (The exception, of course, being the MR guys who are put in the rotation at times, which is really a separate issue.) Point being, the best computer-generated pitcher in my league using the correct modern settings with "start highest rested" starter got acceptable stats. I'll post 'em in the next post.

[Ben E Lou]

Career Pitching Stats

Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO WHIP Teams 2007 21 21 9 8 0 5.67 125.1 161 82 79 48 42 2 0 1.67 CLE 2008 36 32 12 9 0 4.65 187.2 216 109 97 81 85 0 0 1.58 CLE 2009 35 35 12 11 0 3.46 210.2 205 94 81 68 121 3 2 1.30 CLE LAN 2010 37 37 18 11 0 2.74 253.1 233 93 77 61 124 6 1 1.16 LAN,NL 2011 36 36 22 6 0 2.25 260.1 226 74 65 43 153 7 6 1.03 LAN,NL 2012 32 32 16 4 0 2.71 226.0 239 78 68 29 160 3 0 1.19 LAN 2013 37 37 19 9 0 2.41 272.1 284 84 73 22 168 8 0 1.12 LAN,NL 2014 38 38 20 9 0 2.80 270.1 261 90 84 36 184 7 3 1.10 LAN,NL 2015 38 38 17 11 0 2.96 274.0 276 97 90 37 189 5 2 1.14 LAN,NL 2016 37 37 21 9 0 2.26 266.2 267 83 67 24 206 7 2 1.09 LAN,NL 2017 28 28 19 4 0 2.14 210.0 189 56 50 18 170 7 3 0.99 LAN 2018 35 35 24 4 0 1.99 249.1 212 64 55 30 212 9 4 0.97 LAN 2019 36 36 19 6 0 3.05 274.1 265 105 93 47 198 10 5 1.14 OAK,AL 2020 31 31 12 8 0 2.94 235.2 261 87 77 32 170 7 3 1.24 OAK,AL 2021 36 36 21 7 0 2.02 290.0 239 70 65 37 198 14 6 0.95 OAK,AL 2022 33 33 17 6 0 2.61 234.2 195 72 68 46 140 5 3 1.03 OAK,AL 2023 36 36 18 7 0 3.20 267.1 246 101 95 47 170 6 4 1.10 OAK,AL 2024 16 16 6 7 0 3.34 116.0 103 48 43 28 58 4 2 1.13 OAK Total 598 594 302 136 0 2.83 4224.0 4078 1487 1327 734 2748 110 46 1.14

[Ben E Lou]

He had 110 CG's, only 8 shy of Clemens, who pitched into 2006 in this test league. I'd say if a computer-generated guy can win 300 with over 100 CG's, almost exactly mimicking the best stats of a "modern era" pitcher, then that portion is working quite well.

[Galaril]

I have loaded a set of real rosters but for some reason when I go to sign scouts and coaches I have no money the financial sheet shows I got plenty.Is there some easy painless way to free up money?Or am I missing something somewhere?

[Ben E Lou]

For those that appreciate my stats nerdiness/insistence, you should see this as good news: I've just been informed that I'm going to be added to the patch beta team.

[FBPro]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I have loaded a set of real rosters but for some reason when I go to sign scouts and coaches I have no money the financial sheet shows I got plenty.Is there some easy painless way to free up money?Or am I missing something somewhere?

Well, you should still be able to sign the least expensive staff even w/ $0.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

There is *definitely* some discrepancy about the number of starts guys get. Make sure that your era settings are set to "fair" (which SHOULD be the default). I just checked a 20-year career, and the #1's are maxing out at 38 starts, right where it should be. (The exception, of course, being the MR guys who are put in the rotation at times, which is really a separate issue.) Point being, the best computer-generated pitcher in my league using the correct modern settings with "start highest rested" starter got acceptable stats. I'll post 'em in the next post.

I'm seeing a few starters getting 40 starts and hitting 280-300 innings, which seems a tad high for the "modern era." But, that could be an isolated thing (these couple of guys might be workhorses), and it still pales in comparison to the "starter's endurance" issue.

On a separate note, maybe I'm missing it, or maybe I've forgotten where it is, or maybe it doesn't exist, but is there any way to see the active leaders in categories other than those listed on the "Career Leaders" List? For instance, if I want to see the active list of IP leaders, how would I do that? I swear this is something we can do, but I guess I'm missing it.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Man, I gotta give props for this. I don't know if it happens often, but this was good to see. It is late July, and I'm battling for first place in my division. KC, who is 11 games out of first, calls up with a trade offer of a 35-year-old SS who is better than my current starter for two solid prospects. Nice!

I had a similar thing but the opposite. I have the AI "favor prospects" btw. I was pretty much out of the race and the AI offered me 1 pretty good and 1 average prospect for a slightly better than average left fielder. I was so taken aback I threw in 200k for good measure.

Edit: I should add the AI team was in contention and left field was a sore spot.

[Ben E Lou]

Ksyrup:

If it is happening in my test league, it is rare. Just running a quick check:

2024
42-game starter in AL, but he is not among Top 10 IP. Endurance Issue. (I don't have player cards saved, so I won't check them all, but I went to this guy's team. Sure enough. 42 GS, 147.2 IP, 2.99 ERA. Sounds like the exact profile you're talking about.)
39-game starter in NL, also not in Top 10 IP. (I'm going to assume the endurance issue henceforth if the guy isn't in the Top 10 IP.)
no other starters >38 games

2023
none >38

2022
none >38

2021
one guy with 39, not among top 10 in IP

2020
none >38

2019
one guy with 39, not in top 10 IP
one guy with 44, not in top 10 IP
one with with 40, 247 IP
no others >38

2018
one with 42, not in top 10 IP
one with 39, 282.2 IP (same guy with 40 in 2019)

2017
same guy...39, 253.1 IP....workhorse, no doubt

2016
none >38

2015
none >38


So, over the course of an entire decade, there was only one normal SP who started more than 38 games. That doesn't bother me at all. I *like* having the possibility of someone being a tiny bit above the normal ceilings, especially if it doesn't happen very often. It gives the league much more personality, imho. My suspicion is that the low-endurance starter issue should be easy-to-fix. A hard cap on endurance for pitchers in the rotation should solve that one pretty easily.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, I tend to think it is less of a bug an more of an case where a guy is outperforming the norms. Like I said, I had one guy hit 40 starts and 300 innings pitched one year.

[Ksyrup]

Something to think about it terms of the starter endurance bug. While a hard-coded endurance limit for starters seems like the easy fix, I'd want to make sure that the guys who end up being forced out of the rotation are being forced out because they are no longer effective pitchers, or, in rare cases, are John Smoltz-type guys who are converted because of injury history. Otherwise, from what I'm seeing, we're going to end up with a slew of 10 year starters who suddenly become above-average relievers because their endurance ratings have dropped below "X" while their other ratings remain high, when in real life, guys usually make that conversion because their "stuff, movement, and control" ratings have decreased, not their endurance rating. They could probably pitch 6 innings, but they'd give up 15 runs doing so, because they no longer have the stuff to make it through a lineup 2-3 times and maintain their effectiveness.

Just a thought.

[Ksyrup]

Double Dola.

Check out this guy, particularly his 2020 season:

Year	G	GS	W	L	SV	ERA	IP	HA	R	ER	BB	K	CG	SHO	WHIP	Teams
2007	31	0	1	3	0	5.74	31.1	29	22	20	20	24	0	0	1.56	POR
2008	91	0	3	7	5	5.38	95.1	90	59	57	52	81	0	0	1.49	POR
2009	82	0	5	5	2	2.78	97.0	77	34	30	39	92	0	0	1.20	POR
2010	72	1	6	7	41	3.92	78.0	67	39	34	41	82	0	0	1.38	POR,L2
2011	82	0	8	10	35	5.29	85.0	99	55	50	33	78	0	0	1.55	POR
2012	68	14	11	6	2	3.24	130.2	105	52	47	53	126	0	0	1.21	POR
2013	34	34	12	6	0	3.59	173.0	151	74	69	64	187	0	0	1.24	POR
2014	34	34	7	8	0	2.83	181.1	141	70	57	79	188	0	0	1.21	POR
2015	34	34	11	5	0	2.82	195.0	146	73	61	49	196	1	1	1.00	POR
2016	38	38	15	8	0	2.17	215.2	147	63	52	57	210	0	0	0.95	POR,L2
2017	37	37	16	5	0	1.51	202.0	143	42	34	45	188	0	0	0.93	POR,L2
2018	45	45	1	4	0	1.89	128.1	98	30	27	35	116	0	0	1.04	POR
2019	45	45	1	8	0	1.96	133.1	102	33	29	35	119	0	0	1.03	POR
2020	55	55	1	11	0	2.56	109.0	102	44	31	26	83	0	0	1.17	POR
Total	748	337	98	93	85	2.90	1855.0	1497	690	598	628	1770	1	1	1.15

[korme]

As age hits, endurance drops and starters endurance are getting to levels of middle relievers. Two solutions for Markus:

1) Make endurance take less of a hit.

or

2) Make AI teams able to adjust players as Starters/Relievers accordingly as things like this occur.

[Ksyrup]

The guy I just posted is a good example of what I'm talking about, Guys don't normally go from CY Young contender (2017) to super-stud reliever. If they get knocked out of the rotation, it should be because they can't pitch well anymore, not that they can't pitch well for 6 innings.

Anyway, I'm headed to a 5 year old's birthday party. I'm leaving my league on sim, and hopefully it will not have crashed when I get back. One thing I want to check out is whether an injury has contributed to what we're seeing. If so, I think that would be cool, if it is toned down. As it stands, we've got 5-10 Smoltz's p year, which is unrealistic.

[RPI-Fan]

What I don't get, is why those 2018-2020 years are listed as 45, 45, and 55 Games STARTED.

I was confused by this whole thing, since the stats posted were listing GS. I wonder if this stat is being kept incorrectly as well?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'd want to make sure that the guys who end up being forced out of the rotation are being forced out because they are no longer effective pitchers, or, in rare cases, are John Smoltz-type guys who are converted because of injury history. Otherwise, from what I'm seeing, we're going to end up with a slew of 10 year starters who suddenly become above-average relievers because their endurance ratings have dropped below "X" while their other ratings remain high, when in real life, guys usually make that conversion because their "stuff, movement, and control" ratings have decreased, not their endurance rating.

That is a *VERY* good point. From the guys I've tracked, injuries can play a part in an endurance loss. However, it appears that some guys are *only losing endurance*. Their stuff/control/movement ratings are staying static, and even in some cases they get one of those seemingly-random bumps. I was talking to Kuffrey just a few minutes ago about one guy. In 2006, he had 26 apperances, 24 starts, and was 5-8, 4.23, 121.1 IP. At the time he had 45 endurance, 62 movement, 60 control. In 2014, after one season-long injury and a few ratings increases, I would suspect, he was at 15 endurance, 62 movement, 88 control. He remained a "SP" though, and in 2014 he had 45 GS, 81IP, 0-3, 3.44 ERA. True, guys come back from year-long injuries, but if he takes a hit in one category and one category only, it probably shouldn't be endurance, and if it is, the AI has got to figure out that a guy like that should be switched to MR or CL.

The bigger, more difficult issue here would be what about guys like Kent Mercker who spend some time during their career in the rotation and some time in the 'pen?

[GoSeahawks]

Skydog,

I'm directing this at you since you are on the beta patch team. Hit By Pitch statistics aren't calculated into career OBP. They never have in the OOTP series and it's getting frustrating. Maybe you could convince Markus to fix this since you have dirt on him

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

What I don't get, is why those 2018-2020 years are listed as 45, 45, and 55 Games STARTED.

I was confused by this whole thing, since the stats posted were listing GS. I wonder if this stat is being kept incorrectly as well?

No, he's getting the starts, because his ratings are so good and he's listed as a starter. But, his endurance has dropped to the point where he can only pitch 2-3 innings at a time.

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

On a separate note, maybe I'm missing it, or maybe I've forgotten where it is, or maybe it doesn't exist, but is there any way to see the active leaders in categories other than those listed on the "Career Leaders" List? For instance, if I want to see the active list of IP leaders, how would I do that? I swear this is something we can do, but I guess I'm missing it.

Go to the Almanac, and then go to "Display all players".

[GoSeahawks]

Originally Posted by chrisj

Go to the Almanac, and then go to "Display all players".

I can't seem to view their career stats from that page.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The guy I just posted is a good example of what I'm talking about, Guys don't normally go from CY Young contender (2017) to super-stud reliever. If they get knocked out of the rotation, it should be because they can't pitch well anymore, not that they can't pitch well for 6 innings.

Agreed.

I'm leaving my league on sim, and hopefully it will not have crashed when I get back. One thing I want to check out is whether an injury has contributed to what we're seeing. If so, I think that would be cool, if it is toned down. As it stands, we've got 5-10 Smoltz's p year, which is unrealistic.

I was averaging 7 1/2 minutes per season simming when I was at the office yesterday, so I left it on overnight, looking to get 100 years. I *THINK* I have it set to save the player cards every season as well. I'll run by there in a bit and see what I can see from that league.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by GoSeahawks

I can't seem to view their career stats from that page.

If it isn't set to include player reports in the almanac every season, you won't be able to.

[RPI-Fan]

Question, re: Financials.

On the league options, Miscallaneous screen, what does "Adjust Team Markets" do?

Thanks,
rpi-fan

[Bad-example]

Ah, it sounds like the interface has made precious little progress. I guess after seeing the terrible interface they came up with for ITP, I shouldn't really be surprised that OOTP's interface was not significantly upgraded. I will again pass on OOTP.

[Ben E Lou]

It isn't always injury-related, but it is related to an endurance drop. Check out this guy:

Year	G	GS	W	L	SV	ERA	IP	HA	R	ER	BB	K	CG	SHO	WHIP	Teams
2026	2	0	0	0	0	9.00	4.0	5	4	4	0	4	0	0	1.25	MIL
2027	69	0	3	4	3	4.66	83.0	85	44	43	39	73	0	0	1.49	MIL
2028	88	3	6	2	2	4.30	104.2	101	51	50	36	101	0	0	1.31	MIL
2029	27	27	11	7	0	3.78	143.0	119	67	60	72	161	0	0	1.34	MIL
2030	36	36	12	11	0	3.06	197.0	158	80	67	59	220	0	0	1.10	MIL
2031	36	36	14	11	0	3.86	191.0	165	90	82	56	182	0	0	1.16	MIL ANA
2032	38	38	10	9	0	4.17	170.1	168	90	79	44	163	0	0	1.24	ANA
2033	38	38	1	11	0	4.29	109.0	93	58	52	26	121	0	0	1.09	ANA OAK
2034	44	44	0	8	0	4.65	120.0	124	65	62	51	138	0	0	1.46	KC
2035	46	46	1	5	0	2.10	132.2	96	35	31	29	148	0	0	0.94	KC
2036	44	44	3	4	0	2.76	137.0	102	49	42	31	147	0	0	0.97	KC
2037	45	45	1	9	0	3.08	128.2	101	53	44	43	151	0	0	1.12	KC
2038	45	45	0	4	0	2.14	139.0	103	34	33	32	146	0	0	0.97	KC
2039	45	45	2	4	0	3.22	131.1	101	51	47	40	151	0	0	1.07	KC
2040	49	49	0	11	0	3.59	102.2	84	49	41	37	100	0	0	1.18	KC
2041	49	49	1	9	0	3.83	101.0	90	50	43	33	109	0	0	1.22	KC
2042	47	47	0	10	0	4.07	108.1	92	52	49	43	104	0	0	1.25	KC DET
2043	38	38	1	5	0	4.20	83.2	76	40	39	23	82	0	0	1.18	DET
2044	44	44	0	6	0	5.29	83.1	93	52	49	29	67	0	0	1.46	DET

In 2031, he had 46 endurance. By the end of 2032 (age 29), it was down to 31. This is very interesting, though. Notice this:

It says, in 2032, that he dropped to 46. However, it clearly shows in the 2031 Almanac that he was at 46 at the end of 2031. The 2032 Almanac shows that he is at 31 by the end of that season. I double-checked, and he does not appear at any other point in the development history, nor was he injured. There may be a reporting bug happening here as well. Going to check a couple more guys like this and see what I come up with.

--Ben

[Ben E Lou]

OK....here's Thomas Fiol:

Year	G	GS	W	L	SV	ERA	IP	HA	R	ER	BB	K	CG	SHO	WHIP	Teams
2032	17	17	3	6	0	4.44	93.1	106	54	46	36	48	0	0	1.52	BAL
2033	36	36	11	15	0	4.65	187.2	192	112	97	74	154	0	0	1.42	BAL
2034	45	45	2	6	0	3.16	165.1	144	63	58	50	148	0	0	1.17	BAL
2035	44	44	5	10	0	3.41	161.0	164	68	61	37	147	0	0	1.25	BAL
2036	44	44	4	12	0	4.12	159.1	148	74	73	45	144	0	0	1.21	BAL COL
2037	46	46	3	8	0	3.29	169.2	138	62	62	41	167	0	0	1.06	COL
2038	37	37	1	9	0	3.81	127.2	113	58	54	38	133	0	0	1.18	COL
2039	45	45	2	8	0	2.84	171.0	135	56	54	34	162	0	0	0.99	SL
2040	42	42	2	5	0	3.81	151.0	136	67	64	49	143	0	0	1.23	SL
2041	46	46	1	10	0	2.89	134.0	118	44	43	52	126	0	0	1.27	SL
2042	47	47	1	4	0	3.51	120.2	92	54	47	48	105	0	0	1.16	SL
2043	47	47	0	9	0	2.57	115.2	82	37	33	31	121	0	0	0.98	SL
2044	53	52	0	2	0	3.28	96.0	82	39	35	30	79	0	0	1.17	SL
Total	549	548	35	104	0	3.53	1852.1	1650	788	727	565	1677	0	0	1.20

[Ben E Lou]

He had 51 endurance in 2033, but it was down to 44 in 2034.

Same thing:

Monday 4/5/2034 :

Tomas Fiol has lost some lower body strength, his duration drops to 51 ...

By 2044, when he set the record for starts, his endurance was down to 4.

There's definitely a pattern here. Passing this along

[hukarez]

I'm imagining all of these are relating to SPs over the waning years of their career? Would this be something that wouldn't be much of a big deal, if they were converted to relievers?

[BigPitt]

If you play OOTP6 you must believe in DIPS.
How the h*ll did somebody come up with this theory?