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Apparently they regulate his internal body temperature and vitals. I don't think they are necessarily buttons, but rather an information panel.
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Actually it does make sense. 3PO is always talking, and talking, and talking. R2 is quiet, hard to understand and if you didn't notice, is always entrusted with secret information. He's a stubborn droid that doesn't give up any information. |
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Well, you can't believe everything on StarWars.com, freakin' fan site. I liked my reason better although it would be pretty interesting to see a lightsaber cut someone's jaw off. That would be a very unusual angle. |
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Obviously, his opponent had the high ground... |
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As you recall, ANH was first released in the seventies. Back then all hollywood computers had buttons and flashing lights that looked like that. They were just trying to emphasis that he was part man and part machine back then.
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Sure it had a better, flashier setting. Much better stunts. Sure it had flips and whipdee-doodles and such, and had amazing choreography, but it was all style, no substance. It didn't have the emotional gravitas of any of the following three light saber duels of The Original Trilogy: Obi Wan v. Vader and Luke V. Vader I & II. What's up with "You've lost, I have the higher ground." What? I mean, clearly he was right, but "Wha?" Heck, that fight wasn't even the best in the New Trilogy of Suck. The Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan holds that honor. It's a great fight actually. It actually has some style and substance to it.
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Anyone who's been in the box will tell you it certainly doesn't make you soft. I still think Ewan McGregor was better in ROTS than Harrison Ford in any of the old movies. |
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was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?
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He gets one in the novelization of A New Hope. It is also been rumored that it was in the script but was cut out due to the awkardness of a 5'1" Carrie Fisher trying to get the medal over a 6'8" Peter Mayhew. |
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Obi Wan v. Vader? WTF?! Two old fogeys swinging slowly at each other? Substance? Hey, lets fight again... kill me and I'll be a ghost and beat you that way. Riiiiight. For a good lightsaber fight, style is more important than 'substance', whatever 'substance' is supposed to mean. Has your dislike of this movie blinded you to the greatness of the Anakin v. Obi Wan fight? It was fast and furious and if Obi Wan's crying out "You were my brother" didn't touch you, then you have no soul . The "You've lost, I have the higher ground" is perfect, especially when juxtaposed with the Yoda v. Palpatine fight. Yoda knows he cannot win and leaves to fight another day. Obi Wan tells Anakin that Anakin cannot win, but he is too arrogant and tries the jump... and gets cut at the knees. Very skillful juxtaposition in those last two fights in RotS.
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Yep, I agree. These 'original trilogy were perfect and anything it the prequals must be horrible' people are drinking too much of the Kool Aid, I think. Ewan was the best actor in the entire series. He was excellent in RotS.
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From the rarely seen "Alternate Ending" available only on the collectors edition laserdisc of the "Star Wars Holiday Special:" Han: Hey, 'Your Worship,' don't you think Chewie here deserves a medal? Luke: Yeah, I think Chewbacca should have a medal. Leia: I'm not giving a medal to that walking carpet. Han: Listen here, Princess, Chewbacca did as much to save your neck as any of us. Leia: I don't care. I'm not approaching any furry alien who's not even wearing pants. Luke: ... Han: ... |
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Kinda slightly off topic but related to those who can see no wrong in the first three.
Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue). Similarly, Yoda is like this total 'guru' type dude in the new ones but the first time we see him in the original movies, he is this stupid 'muppet' style puppet who steals sausages and hits things like some dumb kids tv puppet. The new ones aren't so bad if you just let go and watch them on their own merits. I watched the old ones for the first 'real' time (i've seen but not paid attention before). They were good - but in many ways the new ones are better (in some they are not but it's hardly a wash). |
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Come on now. I gave certain scenes in this last movie some props. I am not all anti new prequel. I give some love to Darth Maul. There were about a half dozen scenes (see above) that I thought were quite good in this last film. Anyway, I think you nailed. What the prequels lack is, in fact, a soul. While the obi Wan/Anakin fight was asthetically pleasing (though I could have done without the Frogger-like hopping about on lava) it lacked a soul. The Anakin character was written and acted so poorly that the scene had zero emotional impact. I simply didn't care about that character at all. His "fall" to the Dark Side was so clumsy and odd it just didn't feel real. The scenes where Anakin kills Dooku and Mace Windu are really quite poorly done. Whereas in Star Wars, when Vader and Obi Wan are staring each other down, it actually feels like you're witnessing a big moment. That scene has a soul. Why? Because Sir Alec Guinness sells Obi Wan as a character, despite his limited screen time. I could draw a similar comparison to the Matrix and its sequels. While from a pure aesthetic and stylistic stand point some of the fight scenes in the sequels could be considered better, but from a substantive (soul) standpoint they were pretty dull, boring, and lacking. See what I mean?
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I re-watched the Original Trilogy recently as well. In fact, we threw ESB Friday night before seeing Sith. Ewoks aside, it's a wash. It's a landslide. While the dialogue in the Original Trilogy aint the snappies thing in the world it is light years, and I do mean, light years ahead of the whince and groan inducing crap served up in these prequels. There is actually witty banter and powerful lines in the Originals, the same cannot be said of the prequels. As witty as we get in the prequels is "I hate it when he does that." The nostalgia factor cannot be ignored, but it does not explain it all. There are plenty of movies that I loved as a child (Clash of the Titans, Flash Gordon, Battle Beyond the Stars, etc.) that I have watched since and can, and do fully, admit they are horrible movies. I still enjoy watching them from time to time, but they are not good films. The same is not true for the Original Star Wars trilogy.
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Funny. I watched A New Hope Sunday morning, and for the millionth time wondered the same thing. Either give him a medal or stand him next to the droids. Don't embarass the guy by bringing him up there and then stiffing him. |
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I thought all the sabre battles in II and III were much too fast. Honestly, it's often hard to even really see exactly what's going on. It's all a blur of special effects. The one major exception in the prequels is the 3-way duel at the end of episode I. The battles are good and not too fast, and I've really grown to love the moment when Qui-Gon and Maul are seperated by that timer-shield thing. It's a perfect contrast to have Qui-Gon meditate while Maul paces like a caged lion. It allows the scene to breathe, and adds a little more depth to both characters. I wasn't crazy about the sabre-battle itself at the end of Ep III, but I did think Obi-Wan's dialogue was good. You can really feel the disappointment in his every word... just how completely betrayed and severely disappointed he is. But the whole "surfing on the lava" bit that precedes it is pretty painful in my book. |
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I though Anakin's fall was very well done. His previous thinking about Padme. Palpatine's words about the Jedi wanting power and seeing Windu so willingly violate the Jedi Code. It was only natural. It was a great scene. So I totally disagree. And the final fight was great with emotion. Obi-Wan and Anakin, IMO, had good chemistry with each other (as opposed to Obi-Wan and Padme).
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Hayden Christensen flat-out sucked in both movies, and I saw no reason to ever care about Anakin. He was poorly written and very poorly acted. The love story and his fall were not even film-school quality writing. edit: I should add that Lucas himself deserves pretty much ALL the blame for the poor chemistry/acting performances. It's crystal clear that the man simply cannot direct, and It's no coincidence that the widely-agreed upon "best" SW movie (ESB) was neither written nor directed by him. Portman and McGregor can be good, we've all seen it in other movies. Christensen I believe is a far more limited actor, but I think a better director could have gotten much more out of him.
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Oops, I meant Anakin and Padme.
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To add to my previous statement. In the EU, it seems to be that wearing medals are against the Wookiee belief system. Also I don't see anyone bitching about Wedge and that Y-Wing guy getting shafted. |
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Well, those EU writers almost certainly created that belief because of the final scene in ANH. |
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So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.
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Well, because very few people believe that was the intent of that statement. I believe it's a HUGE leap of faith to say that's what the intent was. |
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Wedge and that Y-Wing guy weren't standing up there beside Luke and Han. |
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I noticed that. I figured it just went right over people's heads. My friends didn't really catch it in the movie theater. |
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I noticed it, didn't have any problem with it. |
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So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force? I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off. Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 05-23-2005 at 10:30 PM. |
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Also you don't know if Anakin was concieved by the Force. It's just idle banter around the Jedi table and fans discussing it. It was just as likely that Shmi was impregnated by a Jedi and both wanted to keep it a secret because, as we all know, Jedi aren't allowed to love.
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Uh, the guy you were responding to was talking about pregnancy, how does cheating death equate pregnancy?
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Yes... but it could be part and parcel of the the secret love affair of a Jedi with her. It isn't conclusive to me that Palpatine created Anakin. Why Shmi, after all?
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Hmm, okay. I can see that. I still believe he was talking about two different things. It was left intentionally vague, so people on messageboards can argue about it. Keeps interest in the series. |
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Why wouldn't a small lie by Shmi herself go with the series? After all, plenty are speculating the Palpatine saying he could keep Padme from dying was merely a lie to get Anakin on his side.
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Actually that's not a lie. If you've played KOTOR you know what I'm talking about. A character in the game was kept alive based solely on using the force. I won't say who, or how, as it would be a spoiler for those who haven't played it. |
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Is it really speculation? Palpatine says that Plagueis (sp?) knew how to do it, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then his apprentice killed him. then he says this later -- PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret. I caught it in the theater, but none of my friends did, so I haven't been able to discuss it with anyone. Wouldn't this second line indicate that he was indeed lying to Anakin simply to turn him?
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Even Qui-Gon appears to have some sort of "weird familiarity" with her in that scene when they are discussing his parentage. Of course im probably reading way too much into it. |
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Heh, I got a feeling quite like that one, but dismissed it quickly. Maybe there's more to it? Is there any fan fiction on the background there?
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