2014 NFL Regular Season: Week 14

[Galaril]

Yeah the Pats will coast in those last three division games and will easily win the playoffs with teams having to go to foxboro.

[Buccaneer]

December record by QB (all-time):

1. Brady 46-7 .870
12. Montana 35-12 .745
18. Manning 47-21 .690

Just saying.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

December record by QB (all-time):

1. Brady 46-7 .870
12. Montana 35-12 .745
18. Manning 47-21 .690

Just saying.

Only one of those guys plays his home games outdoors in a cold-weather state too...

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

December record by QB (all-time):

1. Brady 46-7 .870
12. Montana 35-12 .745
18. Manning 47-21 .690

Just saying.

Only one of those three played in the AFC East over the last 15 years. Just saying😉

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yeah the Pats will coast in those last three division games and will easily win the playoffs with teams having to go to foxboro.

Your reverse jinx will not work

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Only one of those three played in the AFC East over the last 15 years. Just saying😉

It actually would be interesting to back out the winning % of the teams each of them faced. Looking at some of Montana's years, there are a surprising number of AFC teams popping up in that final month. I would be inclined to think Brady had an easier time of things playing in a weak AFC East, but I don't know if the numbers bear that out or not.

[albionmoonlight]

Pats have 10+ wins for 12 seasons in a row. To pull that off during the salary cap era is amazing.

To have one of those seasons led by Matt Cassel is even more amazing

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

It actually would be interesting to back out the winning % of the teams each of them faced. Looking at some of Montana's years, there are a surprising number of AFC teams popping up in that final month. I would be inclined to think Brady had an easier time of things playing in a weak AFC East, but I don't know if the numbers bear that out or not.

Yeah - it's also going to depend on how the schedule shakes out, where the divisional games are on it.

Someone here will do the work I imagine.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

It actually would be interesting to back out the winning % of the teams each of them faced. Looking at some of Montana's years, there are a surprising number of AFC teams popping up in that final month. I would be inclined to think Brady had an easier time of things playing in a weak AFC East, but I don't know if the numbers bear that out or not.

The weakness of the AFC East is a fallacy. I wish I could find where at FootballOutsiders someone ran the numbers, but even without the Patriots the average AFC East DVOA during this run is right about even with the other divisions. It just seems weak because no other team has sustained success multiple years in a row or had any playoff success (other than the Jets under Sanchez), but there have also been a relative dearth of really bad teams. The Buffalo Bills are the epitome of that, with 6 or 7 wins in 7 of the last 8 seasons, and the Dolphins are working on their own streak of potentially 7 straight years between 6 and 8 wins. The jets look terrible this year, but they made the playoffs 6 times in the first 10 years of the Patriots run. Even just looking at this year no one thinks of Miami or Buffalo as particularly good but both are solidly in the top 10.

Just look at the other divisions. The AFC and NFC South are clearly no better, the NFC West is the flavor of the month but was the worst division in football just a couple years ago, the AFC West is dragged down by the Raiders (and a Chiefs team that has more 4 win or less seasons than playoff appearances in the last decade), which leaves 3 divisions. The NFC East is a pretty good comparison, withe the Eagles as the top dog, Cowboys and Giants teams who are consistently frisky but never elite (although they have some playoff success), and a Redskins team that is never terrible but hasn't been good either. The NFC North follows a similar template, except teams #2/3 are a little better, and the 4th team (Detroit) worse than any AFCE counterpart over that time. The AFC North, even with the Browns, has been better and pretty clearly the best division in football the last 15 years imo. If you want to claim a team's just been picking on a bad division, go look at the Colts (who will have 10+ wins in 13 of 14 seasons with 1 more W) who have never had more than one of the Jaguars, Titans and Texans be even decent at the same time.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Your reverse jinx will not work

Glad you caught that.:-)

[Buccaneer]

Not having read through Bishop's post, I would compare Montana's NFC West with Atlanta and NO, as well as Manning's AFC South and West. Don't know how it shakes out but both of the other QBs had to play multiple games each year against bad teams. In December? I dont know.

[cuervo72]

Worth noting that from 1998-2001 Manning actually played in the AFC East, and it wasn't the same division --1998 had a 12-4 NYJ, 10-6 BUF/MIA; 1999 an 11-5 BUF, 2000 an 11-5 MIA, 2001 a 10-6 NYJ, 11-5 MIA, 11-5 (Brady-led) NE. But again, not sure he played many of them in DEC (and does this include Jan? There were some regular season games in Jan in there).

[NobodyHere]

FWIW (note the graph is ordered by DVOA and not win percentages)

Division Summary in Non-Division Games, 2002-2013
Division	W	L	T	Pct.	PF	PA	PD	AVG DVOA	OFF DVOA	DEF DVOA	ST DVOA
AFC East	259	221	0	0.540	10,746	9,831	915	7.6%	1.7%	-2.4%	3.5%
NFC East	253	226	1	0.528	10,885	10,504	381	4.3%	4.0%	-2.0%	-1.6%
AFC North	246	232	2	0.515	10,265	9,765	500	4.1%	-2.0%	-4.5%	1.5%
NFC South	251	228	1	0.524	10,665	10,295	370	1.1%	-0.4%	-1.7%	-0.2%
AFC West	231	249	0	0.481	10,950	11,036	-86	0.6%	6.2%	4.2%	-1.5%
AFC South	249	231	0	0.519	10,448	10,797	-349	-1.8%	1.4%	2.3%	-0.9%
NFC North	225	255	0	0.469	10,908	11,006	-98	-3.6%	-3.9%	0.8%	1.0%
NFC West	204	276	0	0.425	9,617	11,250	-1,633	-12.8%	-9.0%	2.4%	-1.4%

[NobodyHere]

dola, the table above is from Football Outsiders

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

FWIW (note the graph is ordered by DVOA and not win percentages)

Nice to know that Miami is consistently mediocre in a good division!

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

FWIW (note the graph is ordered by DVOA and not win percentages)

New England was 90 out of the division in that span. That means the rest of the division went 169-191 out of division, essentially the equivalent of the NFC North. I can't tell you how the other three teams' DVOA work out.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

New England was 90 out of the division in that span. That means the rest of the division went 169-191 out of division, essentially the equivalent of the NFC North. I can't tell you how the other three teams' DVOA work out.

Miami has 85 wins in that span if my math is right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lphins_seasons

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

New England was 90 out of the division in that span. That means the rest of the division went 169-191 out of division, essentially the equivalent of the NFC North. I can't tell you how the other three teams' DVOA work out.

Well, if New England's putting up a .750 winning percentage vs the rest of the league then I'd say what division they're in doesn't really matter.

[Honolulu_Blue]

In unrelated news, Brady Quinn was the color guy for the Bucs/Lions game yesterday. He wasn't half bad. In fact, he was one of the better color analysts I've heard this year.

[DaddyTorgo]

Ooof

Doctors confirm lymphoma diagnosis for Eric Berry

[Abe Sargent]

Let's go FALCONS!!!

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

In unrelated news, Brady Quinn was the color guy for the Bucs/Lions game yesterday. He wasn't half bad. In fact, he was one of the better color analysts I've heard this year.

Agreed. When I saw he was doing color, I was worried but he turned out surprisingly good.

[BillJasper]

Gonna be a long night for the Falcons if that is all the better they can play the run.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Let's go FALCONS!!!

Not a good start. Talk about efficient. Though having watched them put up 53 on the Eagles, not a huge surprise.

[NobodyHere]

I hope the falcons win for the sake of the Lions

[Jas_lov]

It's going to be tough for any ballclub to come into Lambeau and beat Rodgers. He beat Brady last week and became the clear cut MVP. HFA will still come down to Week 17, Lions at GB. Winner gets HFA, loser plays at the 6-10 Saints in the WC round. The only team I think that could possibly beat GB at Lambeau is Seattle.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Seems like a good time for this one
Roddy White of Atlanta Falcons says team worthy of playoff berth despite record - ESPN

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

It's going to be tough for any ballclub to come into Lambeau and beat Rodgers. He beat Brady last week and became the clear cut MVP. HFA will still come down to Week 17, Lions at GB. Winner gets HFA, loser plays at the 6-10 Saints in the WC round. The only team I think that could possibly beat GB at Lambeau is Seattle.

Lions are the current 6th seed. Even if Seattle wins their division, Arizona has the edge over Detroit. Arizona would have to lose all of their games for Detroit to get the 5th seed.

[miami_fan]

Damn, I was up late watching MNF in 1980. I remember that announcement vividly.

[Julio Riddols]

Aaron Rodgers is gonna work his way into that best of all time convo real quick. I thought he would be good after his first year, but I never thought he'd just be practically flawless and still improving.

[NobodyHere]

Since we haven't mentioned Tim Tebow for awhile:

Tim Tebow shocks Walmart shoppers by paying off their layaway tab

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

It's going to be tough for any ballclub to come into Lambeau and beat Rodgers. He beat Brady last week and became the clear cut MVP. HFA will still come down to Week 17, Lions at GB. Winner gets HFA, loser plays at the 6-10 Saints in the WC round. The only team I think that could possibly beat GB at Lambeau is Seattle.

Except you know that Arizona currently holds HFA.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

It's going to be tough for any ballclub to come into Lambeau and beat Rodgers. He beat Brady last week and became the clear cut MVP. HFA will still come down to Week 17, Lions at GB. Winner gets HFA, loser plays at the 6-10 Saints in the WC round. The only team I think that could possibly beat GB at Lambeau is Seattle.

Yeah, there is NO WAY, none, zero, zilch, that the Lions win in Lambeau. It will not happen. It hasn't happened in 23 years and it certainly isn't happening this year.

It is known.

[cartman]

It has been over one calendar year since a Chiefs WR has caught a TD pass.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by cartman

It has been over one calendar year since a Chiefs WR has caught a TD pass.

All the loud noise hurts their concentration.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by cartman

It has been over one calendar year since a Chiefs WR has caught a TD pass.

That's rough. I wonder if that is a product of having Alex Smith as your QB or having poor receivers?

[korme]

Cam Newton injured in a car accident, truck overturned, taken to ambulance on a stretcher.

[Thomkal]

Can't believe it hasn't been posted 32 times here already

It's Johnny Football time in Cleveland...yeah?

Jamaal Charles was injured in the game with the Cards-injuries to knee and ankle-he only had about 20 yards rushing after being injured-so was affected by them.

Speaking of the Cards, RB Ellington now out for the rest of the season-injured reserve. That's okay RB Kerwynn Williams ran for 100 yards-just picked up this past week off the street.

[Thomkal]

Cam Newton was conscious, talking from what I'm seeing

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2014...uries-panthers

[stevew]

Newton's truck looks bad. Back injuries are also really bad. I bet Newton will miss 1-2 games at the minimum. If they lose this weekend they should shut him down instead of giving him pain killing injections.

[stevew]

Similar injuries to Romo

[Thomkal]

Cam Newton suffered back injury in car accident - Cat Scratch Reader

Well this is actually a tough call for the Panthers-they are still in the playoff hunt right? Do they try to win with Anderson and keep Cam around for the playoffs?