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And fwiw, "Elite" seems to be the word of choice that gets thrown around all the time, but its done way too liberally and it needs to stop being the benchmark. Denver has an elite offense, KC has an elite pair of defensive ends, the 2007 Pats were an elite team, etc. There is no elite team in the NFL right now, and Carmen's shown how little that matters come playoff time anyway. Quote:
Prove it. You're allowing over 28 points per game, you lost to the only team you've played that looks to be a playoff lock, and your best win is over a 4-3 Dallas team whose best win is against who, St. Louis? Either Denver was one of the Super Bowl favorites last year or they weren't - I'd have had them 5th going into the playoffs behind NE/Seattle/SF/GB - but for all the improvement the offense has shown on what was already a high level I'd say the defense has fallen off by just as much. You can claim it'll all be better when Von Miller, Champ Bailey, Wesley Woodyard, Robert Ayers are back, but as we saw tonight with the first two just having them on the field doesn't cure things. Quote:
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I just read that one earlier today, almost never found it again. But here ya go Schefter's Blitz - Alabama players come with mileage - ESPN
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10-21-2013, 01:14 AM | #204 |
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10-21-2013, 04:55 AM | #205 | |
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Another cut block, another torn ligament in his knee. NFL, I am begging you, OUTLAW BLOCKING BELOW THE KNEES!
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I'll take the opportunity while I can... To use your scenario, Denver doesn't deserve any credit for being back in this game at the end. They were down 19 early in the 4th quarter. So we can say that 6 of their first 7 were now over with 10 minutes left in the 4th. In all seriousness, the only point spread that REALLY matters is the one at the end of the game. That is the one you get a win or loss awarded for. There is a difference between the two teams, one is 7-0 and the other is 6-1.
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The difference is 13 points. I checked. And you're correct that there's no comparison. Denver lost a game. |
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It absolutely sucks, but what are you supposed to do there as a RB trying to take on a 250lb LB coming at you with a running start of 5-10 yards? Brace yourself to hopefully not get completely flattened?
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Well, the Patriots HAD a pass defense until the last week or so, now they are down their best D-Lineman (Wilfork), best LB (Mayo), best DB (Talib), and another starting D-Lineman (Kelly). Those first two were also their defensive captains. That is bad news for the Pats with the offense being so inconsistent.
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Pat's didn't have a pass defense before this year.
I'm not quite ready to write the Broncos off as quickly as some. Pats were one play away from a bowl champsionship twice during that span. I know it's easy to write it off at the 0-fer, but it's really not that black and white. Last edited by jeff061 : 10-21-2013 at 09:03 AM. |
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Dan Patrick cracked me up with his opening monologue today. He said the Broncos aren't the SB favorite in teh AFC anymore. WTF? They had one bad game. When was the last time a SB champ went undefeated?
The Broncos will beat the Chiefs 56-10 and everyone will love them again and forget about last night.
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10-21-2013, 09:31 AM | #213 |
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I enjoyed the part of the pre-game telecast last night where the sideline reporter mentioned Von Miller's PED/attempt to manipulate the testing 6 game suspension, and in the next sentence reported how Miller said he gained 10-12 lbs of muscle during his suspension without any loss of his speed.
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To quote you, "it's not just the point spreads, it's when they happen." Against the three best teams they played last year, Houston was up 31-11, Atlanta was up 27-7 and New England was up 31-7. Against the best team they played this year, the Colts were up 36-17. For my money, the best four quarterbacks over the past 10+ years have been Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees. They've won an impressive 5 Super Bowls in the past ten years and lost in the finals of three others. There is no question that having one of them gives you a better shot at winning than anything else and I would probably take them against the field in any given year to win it all. But that still leaves a large group of quarterbacks who have either won or made the Super Bowl in that time span, including Matt Hasselbeck, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Donovan McNabb, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Kurt Warner, Colin Kaepernick and Ben Roethlisberger. A lot of good quarterbacks in that group but hardly a murderer's row and I would comfortably put Alex Smith's play (and his 26-5-1 record) the past 2-3 years up against any of them. And last time I checked, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer each had as many Super Bowl rings as Peyton Manning. I'm not saying that the Chiefs should be Super Bowl favorites and there are probably at least five or so teams I would pick before them. But I think they are amongst a group of 10 or so teams that I would give a shot to. And I think that being the only 7-0 team at least earns them a right to be in the discussion, even without an "elite" quarterback and without being an "elite" team, which recent history has proven are not prerequisites for making or winning the Super Bowl. |
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DOLA: If Wes Welker was able to make catches in 2011 the way he did last night, the Patriots would have had another Super Bowl.
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Pick a target somewhere below the neck but above the knee?
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Regarding the blocking below the knees...
You can't block above the knee/below the waist as that is essentially a tackle and you can't tackle a guy without the ball. And if you continue with that line of thought, isn't blocking below the knees also a tackle? And thus, shouldn't it already be outlawed?
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Except that isn't the rule. It's even specifically allowed in the NFL rule book as this article detailed Quote:
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And another one bites the dust...
Sam Bradford of St. Louis Rams suffers torn ACL, source says - ESPN That leaves Kelln Clemens as the only other QB on the Rams roster. Sounds like a good place for the triumphant return of Tyler Thigpen to the NFL... Okay maybe not. |
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A pretty rough week injury-wise.
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Im not saying the Broncos wont beat the Chiefs or anyone else by a large margin on any given day but it does tell that the Broncos like everyone else can have an off day as well which makes them beatable in a 1 game playoff scenario. |
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The chiefs play very good defense in a league that seems to have forgotten how to play defense. Of course they are an elite team. Alex Smith fits intt the mix perfectly. Ball control QB with a great defense usually gives good results. Simply because they were 2-14 last year doesnt mean they cant be elite this year. They have A LOT of defensive talent. The Broncos with all of their elite defensive talent has some things to work out on that end of the ball. You dont win in the playoffs giving up 30+ points per game. How many of the 5 highest scoring teams of all time have actually won a super bowl? |
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Looks like Reggie Wayne and Doug Martin are done for the year too.
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In the long run, the Broncos probably come out on the better end of last nights game.
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I feel like the Broncos beat themselves last night. You don't go into a game with the intention of establishing the run when you have Peyton Manning and 4 outstanding WR. There's no way a team can cover all of them. You put the RB in to chip block the best pass rusher (Mathis) and slip into the flat. That is the only thing a RB should be used for when you have passing weapons of that caliber. Now if the other team can stop that, congrats to them.
Then you have the multitude of incredibly stupid defensive penalties.. If I were a coach, any personal foul that was legitimately called against one of my guys would result in him being benched for the rest of the half, if not the game. Once a guy shows he has lost his cool, he is useless. Not only has he cost us field position and potentially points, but he also costs us time and energy from the extra plays incurred from his stupidity.
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Also, WTF is up with that hipster grandpa Irsay? Dude is a total nutter.
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The Colts gameplan was to allow Denver to run. The problem was the Colts safetys were playing so well and Moreno wasnt breaking any tackles. I agree that they stuck with the run too long but it really should have been there for them with how the Colts were playing. |
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I'm still not even sure what "elite" means (nor what is has to do with winning the Super Bowl) but from what the media tells me, Eli Manning is it. Most people seem to throw it around arbitrarily. Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines it as "the best of a class." The last time I checked, the primary method for determining the top regular season team is their record. Not strength of schedule, not net points, not top quarterback or most impressive roster on paper. By that standard, the best of a class (elite if you will?) by the measurement standard used by the NFL to determine the top regular season team so far this season, is... the Kansas City Chiefs!? Now apparently, MBBF's assertion about the Chiefs being elite was couldn't "pass a piss test at work sort of fucking stupid shit" so perhaps MBBF had some help from Von Miller in cheating the test and the fine folks at the NFL and Websters should investigate. #confused |
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If I'm the Chiefs, I'm hoping and praying that the Broncos use this line of thought. KC's defensive line will have a field day if the Broncos don't keep them honest by trying to run the ball at least 35-40% of the time. Unfortunately, I think the Broncos and Manning are smarter than this. |
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Ugh. Reggie Wayne.
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Or he has really bad WRs. I think at this point Brady has really very little confidence in them running the correct routes and if they happened to actually be where they are suppose to be they seem to struggle with catching. Brady just hasnt looked comfortable all year and I think he just doesnt trust his weapons at all. Aaron Dobson grades out as Pro Football Focus's worst WR. Thompkins is also graded negatively. Last edited by jbergey22 : 10-21-2013 at 12:33 PM. |
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It was clear last night that the Broncos do have an achilles heel on offense and it is their tackles who were just beat play after play. They will have to make adjustments now as this flaw was FINALLY exploited. Id expect them to throw some quicker passes and have Julius chip more often but last night certainly had to be a wake up call for Denver. Plus they played like complete dumbasses. Stupid penalty after stupid penalty. The loss was probably a blessing in disguise for them. |
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Briggs out about 6 weeks.
Cutler out about 4 weeks. Me checking out of season.
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Thompkins is lucky he hasn't been broken in half the number of times Brady's thrown behind him. Not saying it's all Brady's fault but a number of his throws have been absolutely terrible. My money's on a hand or shoulder injury. |
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Jets game was all Brady stinking, not going to put any blame on the receivers. They were getting open and he was missing them.
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I think using "cheating" on this one is a bit of a stretch. But whatever floats the haters boat.
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Maybe, but I think they were perfectly aware of the rule and just figured they'd never get called on it.
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I agree, its cheating in the same way offensive lineman cheat by holding on every play. Meaning it is not. No problem with the call though.
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With so many expiring contracts, (plus Peppers inevitably getting released) Emery at least gets to go empty cupboard on defense next year. He did a pretty fair job building a respectable o-line in 1 season, maybe he can do the same for...well, an entire defense. But, yes. Bears are done this year. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 10-21-2013 at 01:38 PM. |
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Just had the same discussion with a few buddies. You figure they'll still tag Cutler, and the offensive pieces are actually in pretty good shape for next season. But I'd imagine the defense is going to be completely revamped next year. Peppers isn't going to be worth keeping around at his cap number. Tillman? Melton? May be silly of me but I am thus far a fan of the Emery/Trestman regime and want to see how next summer plays out.
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Well it would seem strange that a first ballot HOF'er and one of the most accurate qbs to ever play the game suddenly cant hit a target within 5 yards. Timing off, WRs not running where he expects them would make more sense to me rather than thinking suddenly Brady cant come within 5 yards of a WR target on some plays. |
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