NFL Week 15 - Pacman's career over? - Page 5

Eaglesfan27 · 12-14-2008, 07:27 PM

Way to drop the ball, TO.

Jas_lov · 12-14-2008, 07:27 PM

Owens drops the ball and the crowd boos. They've had it with him.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 07:29 PM

man, they were all over TO.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I did some quick skimming, there may be a pass/run distinction.

To run the ball in, obviously the ball has to cross the plane.

For a pass, it's more complicated. Obviously you can catch a ball in the back of the end zone, even if you reach out of bounds to get it. The ball NEVER has to cross the plane in that example. The ball can travel completely to the side of the endzone, but if the player catches it while both feet are in, it's a TD. I don't see why that would be any different in the front of the end zone.

That is wrong. The plane of the end zone extends technically indefinitely. The ball has to break that plane at some point for a touchdown. If the play is at the back of the end zone, or side somewher for that matter, that ball HAS to have already broken that plane to get there.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 07:31 PM

That was a great start.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 07:37 PM

what a terrible running into the kicker call there

Logan · 12-14-2008, 07:38 PM

He stepped on his toe!

Radii · 12-14-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

what a terrible running into the kicker call there

I don't understand why you accept that penalty? Its very unlikely to get better field position on another kick.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Did I miss something or shouldn't there have been fair catch interference there too? Last I knew you couldn't grab the returner after he fair catches the punt.

Dr. Sak · 12-14-2008, 07:39 PM

(Insert obligatory Sidney Crosby diving joke)

sabotai · 12-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Senior moment for the guys calling the game. "I don't understand why the Giants wouldn't decline the penalty." Huh? The penalty was ON the Giants.

Radii · 12-14-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Senior moment for the guys calling the game. "I don't understand why the Giants wouldn't decline the penalty." Huh? The penalty was ON the Giants.

oops. I got suckered into that myself. I blame madden.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Senior moment for the guys calling the game. "I don't understand why the Giants wouldn't decline the penalty." Huh? The penalty was ON the Giants.

After the refs in the Steelers game nothing would surprise me.

sabotai · 12-14-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

After the refs in the Steelers game nothing would surprise me.

Heh. "Running into the kicker, on the Giants. The Giants have declined the penalty. 1st down."

In other news, horrible P.I. call on Dallas.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 08:07 PM

Romo questionable to return.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 08:09 PM

Is that why Owens was smiling on the sideline?

Suburban Rhythm · 12-14-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

After the refs in the Steelers game nothing would surprise me.

Exactly...that was an awful personal foul call on Jeff Reed. Was that possible the first ever personal foul called on a kicker in NFL history?

larrymcg421 · 12-14-2008, 08:35 PM

I laugh every time I see Witten catch a pass now.

miami_fan · 12-14-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I laugh every time I see Witten catch a pass now.

I am waiting for the side by side view of what Witten and Owens are doing to on each play

Hurst2112 · 12-14-2008, 08:45 PM

NFL Video Galleries

about 4:46 into the video.

Somebody explain to me (if the ball did 'touch the chalk') why it wouldn't be a TD?

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 08:54 PM

I'm actualy happy the Giants are only down by 4. The running game has been brutal which in turn has killed the pessing game. Smith has looked pretty good but a couple of dropped passes has hurt. As long as they keep preassure on Romo I think we have a good shot, sooner or later Romo is gonna fick up royally

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

NFL Video Galleries

about 4:46 into the video.

Somebody explain to me (if the ball did 'touch the chalk') why it wouldn't be a TD?

But it DIDN'T "touch the chalk"

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:00 PM

Collonsworth is an idiot. The replay the shows the ball hitting the yellow line but that yellow line was drawn on theplaying field side of the goal line. The ball would have needed to cross that yellow line to reach the actual goal line and it didn't.

Hurst2112 · 12-14-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

But it DIDN'T "touch the chalk"

halftime show of Sunday night's game showed a still of the play. it certainly did.

Logan · 12-14-2008, 09:01 PM

Yeah it doesn't look like it touched it by much, but I say it did.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:02 PM

double dola: Then they show the "overhead" view to try to make his point. The problem is that the overhead view was not from above the goal line but from about the 20 or 25 (or farther) so of course it looked like it was inside the line on that angle.

Hurst2112 · 12-14-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Collonsworth is an idiot. The replay the shows the ball hitting the yellow line but that yellow line was drawn on theplaying field side of the goal line. The ball would have needed to cross that yellow line to reach the actual goal line and it didn't.

I guess I'll have to wait and see tomorrow. To me, it was a fair play. Though I'm a little biased.

Besides, Steelers would have tied it with a FG and beat them, AGAIN, in OT.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

halftime show of Sunday night's game showed a still of the play. it certainly did.

That yellow line they showed was not the goal line, it had to cross that line to be in and it didn't. They had the yellow line inside the field of play.

Hurst2112 · 12-14-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

double dola: Then they show the "overhead" view to try to make his point. The problem is that the overhead view was not from above the goal line but from about the 20 or 25 (or farther) so of course it looked like it was inside the line on that angle.

i was referring to the sideline angle. I saw the tip of the ball cross the white line...just the tip of the ball 'broke the chalk'. That's what I saw but I wasn't reffin'.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

I guess I'll have to wait and see tomorrow. To me, it was a fair play. Though I'm a little biased.

Besides, Steelers would have tied it with a FG and beat them, AGAIN, in OT.

Of course, they shouldn't have even had a field goal earlier in the game when that drive was extended by another lousy spot of the ball.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

i was referring to the sideline angle. I saw the tip of the ball cross the white line...just the tip of the ball 'broke the chalk'. That's what I saw but I wasn't reffin'.

There was no way that could be seen in the replay. That also wasn't the reason the refs said it was a TD. Has ther been a statement issued by the refs about that? I believe they misruled on it by loking at the feet and not the ball, why else would the ref have even mentioned the receiver's feet with no mention of the ball broke the plane. There has never been a replay result in which the ball crossing the plane was the issue and that has NOT been mentioned in the outcome by the ref.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 09:09 PM

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:10 PM

ugh? Did I miss something (have been back and forth between Survivor and this)?

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 09:12 PM

eli threw a pick. A bad pick

henry296 · 12-14-2008, 09:16 PM

This is from the ESPN story on the Steelers game.

Later, referee Walt Coleman said, "He had two feet down. When he gained control of the ball, the ball was breaking the plane."

larrymcg421 · 12-14-2008, 09:27 PM

Another Witten catch.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

This is from the ESPN story on the Steelers game.

Later, referee Walt Coleman said, "He had two feet down. When he gained control of the ball, the ball was breaking the plane."

Again, what did two feet down have to do with anything? There is no way he could see if that ball was over the plane in the replay to be able to over-rule the call on the field. He is just trying to cover his ass when he realized that he looked at the wrong thing (feet instead of ball).

henry296 · 12-14-2008, 09:34 PM

Doesn't he have to have 2 feet down with possession to make it a catch.
If he has possession with the ball over the line, but still in the air, that isn't a TD.

I do agree there does not appear to be evidence to change the call... if it had been ruled I TD on the field I'd say the same thing.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Doesn't he have to have 2 feet down with possession to make it a catch.
If he has possession with the ball over the line, but still in the air, that isn't a TD.

I do agree there does not appear to be evidence to change the call... if it had been ruled I TD on the field I'd say the same thing.

It was in the middle of the field, 2 feet down means nothing. If it's the catch they are judging it would be that he controlled it to the ground. If it's the TD they are judging it's did the ball break the plane. 2 feet down has nothing to do with that play.

henry296 · 12-14-2008, 09:43 PM

It still has to be a legal catch to be a TD.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Two feet, one foot, three feet, whatever.

From the video here, looks like a touchdown to me. (catch occurs at about 4:49 of the clip).

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 09:46 PM

The Giants dont look like a championship caliber team right now

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

It still has to be a legal catch to be a TD.

That's true. But to be a legal catch what was needed is control maintained through hitting the ground as he was going to the ground in the act of making a catch. Two feet down mean nothing there, it was the middle of the field. The review was not about it being a legal catch, it was about it being a touchdown and there was not enough evidence to overturn the call no matter what the original call was (TD or stopped short).

What gets me on this call is that it wasn't the first screwed up replay call in the game. The earlier spot challenge should have been overturned as it's easy to see the player only gets to the 29 1/2 and not the 30.

Just my opinion but I think the ref screwed up when he looked at the replay and now the league is in cover your ass mode as it would seem infinitely worse if the ref came out and said he actually looked to see if his feet were down as opposed to what he should have been looking at.

I don't really care who won that game, just hate seeing games decided by screwed up calls. Hell, this isn't the first time the Steelers benefited from an incorrect TD call, they got a Super Bowl win thanks to one.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 10:02 PM

Hopefully this saftey jumpstarts the offense.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 10:06 PM

Horrible no call there. Toomer got slammed WAY before the ball got there, should have been PI the whole way

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 10:06 PM

How was that play not pass interference? The 1st down play.

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

How was that play not pass interference? The 1st down play.

I know, I am fuming about that. The defender basicly threw his shoulder into Toomer and knocked him over, giving him no chance to catch the ball.

EagleFan · 12-14-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I know, I am fuming about that. The defender basicly threw his shoulder into Toomer and knocked him over, giving him no chance to catch the ball.

I rewound a few times to see "was it uncatchable?" "no" "did he hit him as the ball arrived?" "no, before".

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 10:15 PM

ugh, second and 20 and they give up a 17 yard running play. The Cowgirls are begging to give this game away and the Giants can't capitalize

Lathum · 12-14-2008, 10:20 PM

I am disgusted right now.

There is no shame losing to a division opponent on the road, but the Cowgirls weren't impressive and the Giants still couldn't win.

12-14-2008, 07:27 PM	#201
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12-14-2008, 07:39 PM	#211
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12-14-2008, 08:35 PM	#218
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12-14-2008, 08:45 PM	#220
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	NFL Video Galleries about 4:46 into the video. Somebody explain to me (if the ball did 'touch the chalk') why it wouldn't be a TD? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

12-14-2008, 09:16 PM	#235
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	This is from the ESPN story on the Steelers game. Later, referee Walt Coleman said, "He had two feet down. When he gained control of the ball, the ball was breaking the plane." __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

12-14-2008, 07:27 PM	#202
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Owens drops the ball and the crowd boos. They've had it with him.

12-14-2008, 07:29 PM	#203
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	man, they were all over TO.

12-14-2008, 07:31 PM	#205
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	That was a great start.

12-14-2008, 07:37 PM	#206
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	what a terrible running into the kicker call there

12-14-2008, 07:38 PM	#207
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	He stepped on his toe!

12-14-2008, 07:39 PM	#209
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Did I miss something or shouldn't there have been fair catch interference there too? Last I knew you couldn't grab the returner after he fair catches the punt.

12-14-2008, 07:39 PM	#210
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	(Insert obligatory Sidney Crosby diving joke)

12-14-2008, 08:07 PM	#215
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Romo questionable to return.

12-14-2008, 08:09 PM	#216
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Is that why Owens was smiling on the sideline?

12-14-2008, 08:54 PM	#221
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm actualy happy the Giants are only down by 4. The running game has been brutal which in turn has killed the pessing game. Smith has looked pretty good but a couple of dropped passes has hurt. As long as they keep preassure on Romo I think we have a good shot, sooner or later Romo is gonna fick up royally

12-14-2008, 09:00 PM	#223
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Collonsworth is an idiot. The replay the shows the ball hitting the yellow line but that yellow line was drawn on theplaying field side of the goal line. The ball would have needed to cross that yellow line to reach the actual goal line and it didn't.

12-14-2008, 09:01 PM	#225
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Yeah it doesn't look like it touched it by much, but I say it did.

12-14-2008, 09:02 PM	#226
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	double dola: Then they show the "overhead" view to try to make his point. The problem is that the overhead view was not from above the goal line but from about the 20 or 25 (or farther) so of course it looked like it was inside the line on that angle.

12-14-2008, 09:09 PM	#232
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ugh

12-14-2008, 09:10 PM	#233
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	ugh? Did I miss something (have been back and forth between Survivor and this)?

12-14-2008, 09:12 PM	#234
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	eli threw a pick. A bad pick

12-14-2008, 09:27 PM	#236
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Another Witten catch. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

12-14-2008, 09:34 PM	#238
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Doesn't he have to have 2 feet down with possession to make it a catch. If he has possession with the ball over the line, but still in the air, that isn't a TD. I do agree there does not appear to be evidence to change the call... if it had been ruled I TD on the field I'd say the same thing. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

12-14-2008, 09:43 PM	#240
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	It still has to be a legal catch to be a TD. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

12-14-2008, 09:45 PM	#241
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Two feet, one foot, three feet, whatever. From the video here, looks like a touchdown to me. (catch occurs at about 4:49 of the clip). __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-14-2008, 09:46 PM	#242
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	The Giants dont look like a championship caliber team right now

12-14-2008, 10:02 PM	#244
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hopefully this saftey jumpstarts the offense.

12-14-2008, 10:06 PM	#245
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Horrible no call there. Toomer got slammed WAY before the ball got there, should have been PI the whole way

12-14-2008, 10:06 PM	#246
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	How was that play not pass interference? The 1st down play.

12-14-2008, 10:15 PM	#249
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ugh, second and 20 and they give up a 17 yard running play. The Cowgirls are begging to give this game away and the Giants can't capitalize

12-14-2008, 10:20 PM	#250
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am disgusted right now. There is no shame losing to a division opponent on the road, but the Cowgirls weren't impressive and the Giants still couldn't win.

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