2007 College Football Week 4 Thread

[CU Tiger]

Is the hawaii game on TV?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I'm an SEC homer and wont' say that the SEC is necessarily the best conference this year, but clearly anyone trying to say the Big East is the best or better than the SEC is delusional/completely homering it.

No one in this thread said anything close to that. Claiming that Rutgers and WVU can play with the upper echelon teams isn't saying that the BE is better than the SEC.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Logan

No one in this thread said anything close to that. Claiming that Rutgers and WVU can play with the upper echelon teams isn't saying that the BE is better than the SEC.

How about Rutgers actually playing a competent team before claiming they can run with the #2 & #3 teams in the country? They could either be the #1 team in the land or the #91 team in the land and no one would know since they've played the easiest OOC schedule in I-A football.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I was listening to a broadcast on the way back from the W&M at VT game (ugh)...

How was your trip to Blacksburg? VT fans treat you well?

[Logan]

They beat the #3 team in the country last year, a team that would've played in the National Championship game if they didn't lose to Rutgers. The team is better offensively, still has one of the top offensive lines in the country, and is on the same level defensively as they were a year ago. That's the best I can offer you.

Meanwhile, I apologize that we didn't schedule powerhouses for this year 6 years ago.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Logan

No one in this thread said anything close to that. Claiming that Rutgers and WVU can play with the upper echelon teams isn't saying that the BE is better than the SEC.

This guy might disagree

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

They may not be the best conference, but I'd put them up there with the SEC and Pac-10 right now, and above the Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC.

So the top 2 teams are better than Texas and Oklahoma?
Big Ten I will give you.
ACC I'm just not sure. Top 3 teams are BC, VT, and Clemson.
I really dont think Rutgers is a favorite against any on the road, and maybe a dog at home to at least VT.

WVU, yeah they are at least as good and probably better than all 3.

But "right up there with the SEC" no way in hell.

[CU Tiger]

Dola-
Why are you scheduling 6 years in advance?
Clemson still doesnt have their OOC worked out for next year. And we are in talks with Bama for a home and home or a possible neutral site at the G. Dome.

Surely if Clemson can convince Bama to play a neutral site game, Rutgers could get Maryland or Vandy or even Texas Tech on the schedule?

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Logan

They beat the #3 team in the country last year, a team that would've played in the National Championship game if they didn't lose to Rutgers. The team is better offensively, still has one of the top offensive lines in the country, and is on the same level defensively as they were a year ago. That's the best I can offer you.

That sounds almost exactly like UCLA's preseason outlook. None of it means squat when looking at the 2007 season, though.

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Surely if Clemson can convince Bama to play a neutral site game, Rutgers could get Maryland or Vandy or even Texas Tech on the schedule?

*cough*

Rutgers does play Maryland...next week in fact.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

So the top 2 teams are better than Texas and Oklahoma?

Well, I'd say yes, but I'm sure you'll disagree.

ACC I'm just not sure. Top 3 teams are BC, VT, and Clemson.

The ACC is easily #6 when it comes to the BCS conferences. Maybe #5. WVU and RU are better than BC, and I'd take USF over Clemson. A win over FSU doesn't impress me.

I really dont think Rutgers is a favorite against any on the road, and maybe a dog at home to at least VT.

Laughable. Talk about an overrated team. Got embarrassed against LSU and couldn't put the behemoth known as East Carolina away.

I'm tired of these arguments with SEC fans.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Logan

Laughable. Talk about an overrated team. Got embarrassed against LSU and couldn't put the behemoth known as East Carolina away.

shurg...at least we have the balls to play a ranked OOC opponent. Can't say that about any Big East team except USF....and even their ranked opponent, Auburn, has turned out to be crap this season.

Schools should actually play good teams before declaring themselves as part of the epicenter of college football. It's hilarious seeing a fan of one of the most historically horrible I-A programs in college football try to talk down to programs that have...you know, actually maintained more than one year of success.

[st.cronin]

The arguments about which conference is better than the others is one of the dumbest arguments you can find today.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by VPI97

*cough*

Rutgers does play Maryland...next week in fact.

Touche

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Logan

The ACC is easily #6 when it comes to the BCS conferences. Maybe #5. WVU and RU are better than BC, and I'd take USF over Clemson. A win over FSU doesn't impress me.

- Acc is #6? Ok I am game. Please name the 5 better BCS conferences.
USF over Clemson? Please tell me have you watched Clemson play this year? Because I have 4 times in fact, in person. And I have watched 3 USF games (DVR) also. Now this is far from a great Clemson team, but USF? Please.

- A win over FSU doesn't impress you, but a win over Richmond U does? Or maybe its the victory over Buffalo that convinces you? This suck, I LOVE Greg Schianno. I worked a summer camp with him when I was still coaching and he is one of my favorite people in college football, but you as a fan are making me hope they dont win another game.

- I think what you are missing is despite their last two games Louisville is still the 3rd best BE team and they lost to the 6th best SEC team.

Originally Posted by Logan

Laughable. Talk about an overrated team. Got embarrassed against LSU and couldn't put the behemoth known as East Carolina away.

I'm tired of these arguments with SEC fans.

- I think you will find at years end that any team in college football outside of USC is in a different league than LSU, and several will end up embarassed.

- Again, I am a Clemson Tiger, Alum, former player, and former G.A. Clemson = ACC
ACC:SEC :: Boston Red Sox:NY Yankees
I am no SEC fan, and I hate the fact that they are as dominant as they are. I hoped our expansion would lead to more competitive balance between the ACC and the SEC as yet that hasnt happened. So please believe what you want but if you think its only home town (or conference)bias you really are delusional.


Rutgers made a great story last year, and they are a decent team. Now I realize that this feeling of actually being relevent is a total new experience for Rutger fans, so let me give you a little tutorial. Wins last year do not carry over, beating patsies by 50 is nice call us when you play somebody, and finally while 9-3 may be and in fact is a great season for Rutgers, dont be surprised when real football schools aren't impressed when their coaches may get fired for 9-3.

[Crim]

st.cronin wins the thread.

[Crim]

But thanks for playing, the-rest-of-you.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Logan

Well, I'd say yes, but I'm sure you'll disagree.



The ACC is easily #6 when it comes to the BCS conferences. Maybe #5. WVU and RU are better than BC, and I'd take USF over Clemson. A win over FSU doesn't impress me.



Laughable. Talk about an overrated team. Got embarrassed against LSU and couldn't put the behemoth known as East Carolina away.

I'm tired of these arguments with SEC fans.

Im a Pac 10 fan, but i can tell you i would take VT over rutgers...id take BC over rutgers, and even clemson over rutgers. WVU, their another story. But i think the big east is WVU, big drop, rutgers, big drop, cincinatti, small drop, pitt/louisville. I think WVU is a top 5 team, and rutgers a top 20...cincy is a top 25, and thats about it as i see it. Not trying to be negative, i just dont see the big east as a top 3 conference right now. Id rank them SEC, Pac 10, Big 12(rank the teams, and compare the matchups..they stack up pretty well with the ACC and BE...would you take pitt over texas tech or cincy over mizzou? Even louisville over nebraska? How about WVU over OU? I just dont see it), ACC(barely, but i think its overall stronger the the BE...i think WVU would win the ACC, but i dont think rutgers or the others would be there at the end), Big East, Big 10.

I know your a big east homer, and especially a rutger's homer, and your conference is getting better and better every year. You have every reason to be optimistic. I just dont think its there yet , in terms of # of top teams or depth. I believe, in full honesty, rutgers and louisville look better then they should because the rest of the league has been pretty terrible in years past. Thats changing with kelly at cincy and pitt finally utlizing that talent they have been stockpiling, but its not there yet. Feel feel to disagree, just thought you should get an outsiders view.

[TazFTW]

Hawaii wins 66-10 without Colt Brennan.

Hawaii	Comp	Att	Yds	Pct	Y/A	Sack	YdsL	TD	Int
T. Graunke	21	35	252	60.0	7.2	0	0	3	2
I. Funaki	6	9	78	66.7	8.7	0	0	2	0

Inoke Funaki for backup QB!

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by VPI97

How was your trip to Blacksburg? VT fans treat you well?

Sorry, not sure how I missed posting about this.

The trip to Blacksburg was HANDS DOWN the most pleasant away game (for football or basketball) experience I've ever had. I'm sure that the fact that we were an inconsequential I-AA played a factor, but still - I've been to other such games like when we played at Maryland last year.

Anyway. We got there somewhat later (ended up getting into the stadium about 3 minutes before kickoff) because we decided to not stay overnight which meant we had to time it so that we could get back and let our dogs out without leaving them caged up TOO long. Point being - we were scrambling last minute which was no fun as far as having to walk to the stadium. We parked outside of some guys house across from the main parking areas (charged $5, ingenious) and walked all of the way across campus. We were walking amongst masses of students and fans and THE worst thing that happened was some kid trying to make some joke about my jersey looking like a Mason jersey (particularly funny since they don't have a football team) and how all of those schools look alike or something... that was the absolute worst thing. We were literally 2 W&M fans amongst hundreds of VT fans walking and people just let us have our piece. Even the drunken Maryland fans had something to say.

Anyway, went in, we were tucked away in a sliver in the corner of Lane Stadium with other W&M fans. The stadium is incredible. The entrance for the Hokies is fun (I took some shaky video from my point and shoot camera that I'll put up later) and it's nice to see even the "old people" jumping to Enter Sandman (we are somewhat notorious for our old, boring football fans). The game was interesting to start with the Hokies pretty quickly getting inside the 10 twice, but our craptastic defense forcing FG's. Then the offense seemed to be moving the ball pretty well until an uncharacteristic pick-6 by our starting QB. It got out of hand quickly after that and it was 27-0 Hokies after the 1st quarter. Despite the blowout, despite some of our fans still trying to be "loud" (there were like.. MAYBE 200 or so of us) and doing our stupid little first down cheer - the Hokie fans didn't try to crap on us, mock us, etc. like they did at Maryland.

So, we left after the 3rd quarter. Our passing offense was actually clicking pretty well (outside of the 3 Int's, which really was all about the Hokies being bigger, stronger, and faster.. .at least 2 of them would have been completions in I-AA - or hell, against a non-top 25 I-A team) and when we walked away W&M actually had more total yards than the Hokies (but only 12 rushing yards with our top 2 guys out).

Anyway... so the way out - same thing.. everyone let us do our thing, even got a few "Go Tribe!"'s from folks in Hokies gear. To top it off as we walked through the parking lot one of the guys still tailgating even gave a, "Thanks for coming!" and not in a "I'm being a sarcastic ass" kind of way.

So anyway - much respect to the Hokie Nation. My fiance and I actually talked about it for like 30 minutes on the way home. It was totally worth our crazy 14 hour day to drive there, watch the game, and come back the same day. Compared to JMU where we swear we'll never go back (of course we're rivals), Maryland which wasn't terrible but not fun, etc it was great. The stadium is awesome with a great backdrop and some loud fans - even considering the blowout. Hell, I was even happy that in the Hokies pre-game radio show it wasn't a lot of "We're going to mop up this team" but there was a lot of respect for the history between the schools (we haven't played since 85, but played 60 some times before that and were in the same conference for like 40 years. Plus, Jimmye Laycock (our couch for 27 years) and Beamer are apparently like literally best friends).

I'd love to go back to a game at Lane Stadium. If somehow the Hokies and Vols could work out a home-home deal in this century, I'd love to go watch that game for sure.

PS: The memorial was very nice. Simple, yet moving.

Edit: http:/www.fof-woof.com/wademoore/Hokies_Intro.MOV - that's the movie of the intro.. pretty crappy and no Enter Sandman since it doesn't have audio.

Here's a good shot of the great seats/view we had. My Aunt/Uncle/Cousins (one of them is a student) had much worse seats (although even the worst seats aren't bad) so I felt pretty lucky.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Hawaii wins 66-10 without Colt Brennan.



Inoke Funaki for backup QB!

I would think that hurts Colt's chances at the Heisman. He misses some stats due to the injury, and his backups show that the system can produce excellent stats from his backups.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Crim

st.cronin wins the thread.

I think you missed CU Tiger's comment.

- Acc is #6? Ok I am game. Please name the 5 better BCS conferences.

[Poli]

I was happy to see Georgia win last night, too bad Ole Miss couldn't pull it off. I didn't have much hope early on as Ole Miss was trading touchdowns for field goals.

Good on Georgia and great effort by the Rebs.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

- Acc is #6? Ok I am game. Please name the 5 better BCS conferences.

SEC
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 10
Notre Dame
SOL 8


Wait, you said BCS. My bad.

[CU Tiger]

HAHA

Just heard this
Notre Dame is the ONLY BCS team without a win. Its mighty lonely at the bottom, I suppose...

[Poli]

Yeah, buddy. I'm loving it.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

HAHA

Just heard this
Notre Dame is the ONLY BCS team without a win. Its mighty lonely at the bottom, I suppose...

So if they go 0-11, which bowl game do they get to go to?

[Passacaglia]

I always thought a BCS team meant you were from one of the BCS conferences. If that's not it, what does it mean?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I always thought a BCS team meant you were from one of the BCS conferences. If that's not it, what does it mean?

I think it is (literally) teams from the BCS conferences or Notre Dame.

[CU Tiger]

AP Top 25

1. USC (43) 3-0 1,601

2. LSU (22) 4-0 1,580

3. Oklahoma 4-0 1,456

4. Florida 4-0 1,417

5. West Virginia 4-0 1,388

6. California 4-0 1,263

7. Texas 4-0 1,196

8. Ohio State 4-0 1,193

9. Wisconsin 4-0 1,030

10. Rutgers 3-0 1,008

11. Oregon 4-0 944

12. Boston College 4-0 927

13. Clemson 4-0 807

14. Kentucky 4-0 708

15. Georgia 3-1 631

16. South Carolina 3-1 586

17. Virginia Tech 3-1 568

18. South Florida 3-0 539

19. Hawaii 4-0 471

20. Missouri 4-0 401

21. Penn State 3-1 337

22. Alabama 3-1 265

23. Arizona State 4-0 206

24. Cincinnati 4-0 164

25. Nebraska 3-1 134

Others Receiving Votes Purdue 73, Miami (FL) 72, Michigan State 60, UCLA 27, Texas A&M 21, Michigan 21, Arkansas 10, Kansas 6, Florida State 5, UCF 4, Connecticut 3, Virginia 2, Tennessee 1. Dropped From Rankings Louisville 18, Texas A&M 20.

Complete Rankings

USA Today Poll

1. USC (44) 3-0 1,481

2. LSU (8) 4-0 1,438

3. Florida (4) 4-0 1,347

4. Oklahoma (4) 4-0 1,336

5. West Virginia 4-0 1,260

6. California 4-0 1,137

7. Texas 4-0 1,103

8. Ohio State 4-0 1,092

9. Wisconsin 4-0 1,026

10. Rutgers 3-0 901

11. Boston College 4-0 881

12. Oregon 4-0 878

13. Clemson 4-0 767

14. Virginia Tech 3-1 585

15. Kentucky 4-0 545

16. Georgia 3-1 516

17. Hawaii 4-0 479

18. South Florida 3-0 451

19. Penn State 3-1 397

20. Missouri 4-0 369

21. South Carolina 3-1 335

22. Nebraska 3-1 209

23. Michigan State 4-0 167

24. Alabama 3-1 154

25. Arizona State 4-0 151

25. Purdue 4-0 151

Others Receiving Votes Cincinnati 84, UCLA 69, Miami (FL) 52, Texas A&M 20, Kansas 20, Louisville 18, Boise State 18, Michigan 17, Georgia Tech 10, Florida State 8, Virginia 7, TCU 6, UCF 5, Tennessee 4, Iowa 3, Air Force 2, Mississippi State 1. Dropped From Rankings Texas A&M 16, Louisville 19.

Complete Rankings

[CU Tiger]

Couple things jump out.
1) Hawaii is making a nice run. They could wreak havoc if things continue.
2) How in the hell is SC rated below Georgia in both polls? (Admitedly I am the biggest SC hater alive, but damn) SC has 1 loss to the number 2 team in the country. Georgia has 1 loss, to SC in Athens. WTF.

[sterlingice]

Woo! Kansas gets "Others Receiving Votes"!

SI

[Dr. Sak]

I can't believe Penn State is still ranked. If I was a defensive person on that team I'd be really pissed at the offense. From the players to the coaches it was such a poorly executed and called game. If Austin Scott sees the field in anything but mop up time it is a pure travesty.

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I would think that hurts Colt's chances at the Heisman. He misses some stats due to the injury, and his backups show that the system can produce excellent stats from his backups.

rofl. this is a joke right? those stats have to help his chances imo. his back up WAS awful, obviously Colt is not a system QB, last night proved it. Graunke was horrible and that was against a FCS team.

[JeeberD]

I don't know that I would call his numbers awful, but I do agree that they weren't up to Colt's standards and I don't think they should hurt his Heisman campaign at all...

[knolysis]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Couple things jump out.
1) Hawaii is making a nice run. They could wreak havoc if things continue.
2) How in the hell is SC rated below Georgia in both polls? (Admitedly I am the biggest SC hater alive, but damn) SC has 1 loss to the number 2 team in the country. Georgia has 1 loss, to SC in Athens. WTF.

I would like to know the answer to this also. If I were voting, I woud have voted South Carolina higher than last week on the fact that they were in Baton Rouge and played a scary-talented LSU team very tough. I came away thinking they were the 3rd best team in the SEC and potentially a Top 10 team from that performance.

[ISiddiqui]

Yay, Rutgers as #10!

And I agree with those wondering how Georgia is ranked above South Carolina.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

rofl. this is a joke right? those stats have to help his chances imo. his back up WAS awful, obviously Colt is not a system QB, last night proved it. Graunke was horrible and that was against a FCS team.

Two backups at a lower tier school combine for 330 yards, 5 TD's and only 2 INT's. You don't think that isn't going to convince some voters that it is the system.

[JeeberD]

Honestly, I think that's more about who they were playing. If Colt were in I would have expected him to hang 500+ yards and six scores on Charleston Southern...

[st.cronin]

Its perfectly obvious that the Big 10 is far and away the best conference in college football. You only need to look at the following stat to realize that:

Big Ten's record vs. Notre Dame: 3-0
All other BCS conferences record vs. Notre Dame: 1-0

The Big Ten is, thus, three times as good as all the other BCS conferences put together.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm not saying it is all the system. I'm just saying that I can see how this could cost Colt some votes.

[k0ruptr]

exactly, I was at the game. Anyway the 3rd string QB funaki played against Charleston Southerns 2nd string Defense btw, so thats his numbers. and as for Graunke, his passes were awful, threw lobs when he needed zip, and the opposite. Anyone calling colt only a system QB and seen this game would realize its not just the system, the guy is special.

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm not saying it is all the system. I'm just saying that I can see how this could cost Colt some votes.

grr you beat my post
lol anyway I didnt mean to be harsh in the first post. And I can see what your saying, especially people who didnt see the game, and just look at the stats I guess. which is unfortunate, because compared to Colt he was bad.

It was really awesome after his 2nd pick, the whole stadium started chanting "We Want Colt"

it was loud. haha.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

exactly, I was at the game. Anyway the 3rd string QB funaki played against Charleston Southerns 2nd string Defense btw, so thats his numbers. and as for Graunke, his passes were awful, threw lobs when he needed zip, and the opposite. Anyone calling colt only a system QB and seen this game would realize its not just the system, the guy is special.

Problem is do you think Heisman voters were up at midnight Est watching this game? They only look at the boxscores in a game like that. So all they'll see is two scrubs just put up 400 yards in that offense.

[st.cronin]

Just the fact that Colt missed a game, regardless of what his backups or his team did, has got to kill his Heisman chances.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Problem is do you think Heisman voters were up at midnight Est watching this game? They only look at the boxscores in a game like that. So all they'll see is two scrubs just put up 400 yards in that offense.

Exactly my point.

[k0ruptr]

yea, thats sad.


Anyway, Hawaii Looking good for BCS afta 1/3 season.

all they need to do now is win out (yea not really the easiest thing to do)
but seeing where they are ranked right now, there is 0 chance they will be snubbed if they win out.

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Just the fact that Colt missed a game, regardless of what his backups or his team did, has got to kill his Heisman chances.

That's what I was thinking.

[k0ruptr]

I don't think it will. not yet anyway, its too early to kill him off, especially with brohm already having lost 2 games, as well as arkansas and mcfadden.

[vex]

Bradford for Heisman

[bhlloy]

Colt's chances rely solely on whether Hawaii makes the BCS and how ridiculous his passing numbers at the end of the year are. Him missing a game clearly hurts his bottom line but I don't know who else is going to get it.

If USC goes unbeaten and wins the NC, it will probably be Booty, but otherwise he is going to be unfavourably compared to Leinart and Palmer so he won't win it. I don't think McFadden will get it on a pretty average team. I don't know who on LSU could be deserving seeing as they played 2 QB's last night and there doesn't seem to be a RB who gets all of the carries. Brohm is toast. Wide open field after 4 weeks of the season.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

yea, thats sad.


Anyway, Hawaii Looking good for BCS afta 1/3 season.

all they need to do now is win out (yea not really the easiest thing to do)
but seeing where they are ranked right now, there is 0 chance they will be snubbed if they win out.

I will beat this drum again - Hawaii in a BCS would be a travesty.