Raiders vs Patriots Opening Night Thursday

[Taco]

Nice to see Archie Manning during the Pats game, just like the GEFL version of the Pats.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

What was the over/under line on the game?

48.5 shortly before the game.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

What was the over/under line on the game?

48.5

[DaddyTorgo]

everytime i see randy moss i throw up a little bit in my mouth.

[HomerJSimpson]

Thanks, thanks.

[SirFozzie]

Wow, that's the first time I've heard Sapp's name all day

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Wow, that's the first time I've heard Sapp's name all day

I was guessing he'd retired, based on his performance out there.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by TroyF

FWIW, I'd have voted no catch. The ball was moving, I don't think he ever had it before he hit the ground. Oh well.

I will then defer to your judgement since you have the big HDTV and I have crappy regular TV (Didn't look like the ball was moving, but could have been a little since it was, well, blurry and crappy looking.)

And I am jealous of you HDTV people.... *sigh*

[SirFozzie]

Interesting, sounds like the beanbag should be thrown on that one

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Interesting, sounds like the beanbag should be thrown on that one

twas under 2 minutes so it couldn't be. pissed me off that the booth didn't review it though. I've seen far less questionable things reviewed by the guys upstairs under two minutes. Grrr. Ah well, it's not a perfect system i suppose.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

If Raiders can clean up the middle pass defense in the 2nd half. The Raiders will win it.

Huh?

They may win it. Only if they outscore the Pats. Not likely, but stranger things have happened. Here is the problem. . . The Raiders defense sucks. Horribly. They are slightly better than the Chiefs defense of two years ago.

If they figure out a way to shut down the middle (and it looks like they are blitzing straight up the middle now to control it), they'll end up leaving the sidelines wide open. Look for a wheel type route down the sidelilne by Watson or Graham soon.

Also look for Branch to catch a long one. To shut down the middle, the safeties have to come up. They come up, their corners aren't staying with Branch.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

twas under 2 minutes so it couldn't be. pissed me off that the booth didn't review it though. I've seen far less questionable things reviewed by the guys upstairs under two minutes. Grrr. Ah well, it's not a perfect system i suppose.

I meant on Moss's "Catch" a bit ago, the Pats radio guys were saying that they thought he had it.

[DaddyTorgo]

DAMN. that is two BEAUTIFUL punts there by Miller. Picture perfect!

[cthomer5000]

Another outstanding punt/coverage.

[SirFozzie]

Jeez, Special Teams for the Pats.. Are Special

[TroyF]

Sapp has been single teamed all night. Stick a fork in him, he's done. Good adjustments so far by the Raiders. Brady will have it figured out in a half a second.

If I'm the Raiders here I call trip 9's (fly patterns) down the sidelines and middle. Find the guy who is singled (or Moss if he's only doubled) and throw it deep.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I meant on Moss's "Catch" a bit ago, the Pats radio guys were saying that they thought he had it.

aaaah. Geno Capelletti used to come into the pharmacy where i worked in HS all the time. He knew the owner from way back. Was always a nice guy I guess.

yeah, that's all I got.

[DaddyTorgo]

i know the pats are playing pretty much a 4-3 here, but where's Vince Wilfork tonight? Is he not active tonight? I havn't heard his name at all...

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Sapp has been single teamed all night. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

I'm in full agreement. He's never been a big offseason conditiong guy, and it's probably cost him what could have been another 2-3 years of effective play.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I'm in full agreement. He's never been a big offseason conditiong guy, and it's probably cost him what could have been another 2-3 years of effective play.

done in terms of being an elite player maybe, but i have to believe that someone somewhere would be willing to sign him for say a minsal deal with big incentives built in. he still has some football left in him, just not as the player that he thinks he is.

and i'm no sapp fan...AT ALL

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

done in terms of being an elite player maybe, but i have to believe that someone somewhere would be willing to sign him for say a minsal deal with big incentives built in. he still has some football left in him, just not as the player that he thinks he is.

and i'm no sapp fan...AT ALL

He hasn't been an elite player for quite some time, and he's not even a good one right now (nor last year).

[TroyF]

I'm going to repeat, Dillon simply looks horrible. Just horrible.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I'm going to repeat, Dillon simply looks horrible. Just horrible.

i think i'm sorta going to start to agree with you here Troy. Hopefully he just needs this first game to get himself on-track and he'll be fine for the rest of the year...

[cthomer5000]

whether thats officially an INT or fumble recoevery, Pats ball.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i know the pats are playing pretty much a 4-3 here, but where's Vince Wilfork tonight? Is he not active tonight? I havn't heard his name at all...

You just heard it.

[McSweeny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i know the pats are playing pretty much a 4-3 here, but where's Vince Wilfork tonight? Is he not active tonight? I havn't heard his name at all...

there he IS

[DaddyTorgo]

INT! INT!!! (or a fumble, whatever you wanna call it!)

AND THERE'S MY BOY BIG-VINCE!!! OHHHH YEahhhhh

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i think i'm sorta going to start to agree with you here Troy. Hopefully he just needs this first game to get himself on-track and he'll be fine for the rest of the year...

Did he look this horrible in the preseason? He hasn't broken a single tackle tonight. he hasn't move the pile one time.

That was a strange, strange play.

[TroyF]

Good run there and he actually showed a bit of power. Great blocking though.

[McSweeny]

looked pretty good right there

is this the point where we have the game wrapped up?

[TroyF]

Ouch.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Did he look this horrible in the preseason? He hasn't broken a single tackle tonight. he hasn't move the pile one time.

That was a strange, strange play.

he looked alright in the preseason, but he did not get a lot of carries at all. No more than maybe 30 all preason I'd guess.

Ah well, there we go, there's some Dillon running.

Aside: The Pats have had a lot of turnover on offensive line, so maybe that is contributing. Not that they're not blocking well, but just that Dillon and them aren't in total sync.

[SirFozzie]

The Pats Radio on that kickoff: "To the 15 to the 20.. the 25.."

BOTH announcers at the same time "WOOOOOAHHHH!!"

[HomerJSimpson]

Collins screwed himself there, going out of the pocket.

[DaddyTorgo]

WHOA! eerie! that lil abc-face thingy of Lamont Jordan just blinked at me. That's freaky man.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by McSweeny

looked pretty good right there

is this the point where we have the game wrapped up?

no that would be now (after the 3 and out) if the Pats can go in for a score, preferably a TD, but even a FG

[TroyF]

Why do I get the feeling this game is about to turn into a blowout?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Why do I get the feeling this game is about to turn into a blowout?

The Raiders have oddly abondoned the run and the deep ball.

[HomerJSimpson]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

The Raiders have oddly abondoned the run and the deep ball.

No, they are still looking for the deep ball. The Pats have removed the ball.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

The Raiders have oddly abondoned the run and the deep ball.

i think the fact that "the raiders have abandoned the deep ball" is probably attributable to the fact that the Pats DB's have made the necessary adjustments to take the deep game away (more or less).

[HomerJSimpson]

Get a couple of good runs, shoot yourself in the foot.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's gonna be the book on the raiders this year: "don't let randy moss beat you deep."

let lamont jordan run at you all day long, make Jerry Porter beat you, but DO NOT let Moss beat you deep. Pretty one-dimensional.

[cthomer5000]

Kerry Collins can really turn into a pile of shit in a hurry, eh?

[SirFozzie]

Wow, the Pats are getting penetration on The Raiders, and Collins is running for his life.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Kerry Collins can really turn into a pile of shit in a hurry, eh?

that's always been the book on him. I guess it's because he's easily rattled.

edit: second time they've had an ineligable receiver downfield this quarter. someone's gonna get reamed!

[HomerJSimpson]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Kerry Collins can really turn into a pile of shit in a hurry, eh?

When a team can get pressure on a QB rushing only three players, you got to think it might be more than the QB.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that's gonna be the book on the raiders this year: "don't let randy moss beat you deep."

Do you realize just how stupid this sounds? This has been the goal of every team that has ever faced Randy Moss since midway through his rookie year... yet he manages to beat people deep consistently.

By saying the Raiders have "abandoned the deep ball" i mean they haven't even thrown it downfield at all in the second half. Just by seeing replays we've seen a number of plays where they could have at least thrown it in Randy's direction and hope he beat out his man.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

edit: second time they've had an ineligable receiver downfield this quarter. someone's gonna get reamed!

Worse yet, it was the same guy both times.

How much do you want to bet he's earned an ass chewing when they go over films?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

When a team can get pressure on a QB rushing only three players, you got to think it might be more than the QB.

It's consisntely been the FB or TE missing a blizt pickup. I'm not seeing much interior pressure.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Do you realize just how stupid this sounds? This has been the goal of every team that has ever faced Randy Moss since midway through his rookie year... yet he manages to beat people deep consistently.

By saying the Raiders have "abandoned the deep ball" i mean they haven't even thrown it downfield at all in the second half. Just by seeing replays we've seen a number of plays where they could have at least thrown it in Randy's direction and hope he beat out his man.

i don't think it's the same as "every team that has faced randy moss ever" cthomer. On Minnesota at least the attack was more multifaceted. Bennett could run the ball, Culpepper could improvise and wasn't as easily rattled (at least recently). My point in saying this was saying that the Raiders offense doesn't have much else going for it. Given, Jordan is a good back, but he has never started for a full season so we havn't seen yet how he'll hold up over the course of a season, or how he'll produce. He's not as good as the Minnesota running game I think we can agree, although I don't have numbers in front of me. And Collins gets rattled a ton easier than Culpepper.

My point was that the Raiders offense is more one-dimensional than Minnesota's has been in the past few years. And I don't think you can completely wipe out Moss, you can just hope to minimize the impact he has on the game. Don't let Moss beat you.