NFL WEEK 2

[RendeR]

Come on Manning move the damn offense.

*Please note I can't stand either team but when it comes to a game involving the cowgirls I will always root for whomever they play.

Let's just say I hate New York "Less" than I hate Dallas.

=)

[JS19]

HUGE play coming up here. Now would be as good as time as any to hit Boss for a 1st down.

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

are people really suprised that Russell sucks? i mean someone gave him the nickname Jabustus before he was picked for a reason. i know many in this forum figured he would be a bust (i know i did)

QBs fail at a high rate, calling any QB a bust isn't the worst bet in the world. The problem is, nothing Jamarcus ever did before he was a pro warranted that kind of confident opinion that he would be bad. He had more going for him than Alex Smith, yet more arm chair draft experts predicted a Jamarcus bust than an Alex Smith bust. It's that kind of factless based revisionist history that causes me to make posts like this defending him, when I am not really that inclined to defend his game as it is now.

Although for the record, Jamarcus was decent last year, he may still go on to be decent this year, we shall see.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

1) that was mostly a joke, although I do think you were misusing "talent" because:

2) Ron Dayne would only fit in this argument if he could run a 4.4 flat 40 and 4.3 shuttle. Jemarcus can make every throw on the football field, from any position in the pocket/behind the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately he can only do so consistently if the target is stationary and a defender isn't in good position.

So Dayne would be a great comparison if Dayne had the best speed and agility for a RB we have seen maybe ever, but he could only find running lanes in college and not in the NFL. And in that case, to say that Dayne was a "good bet" to fail from the start sounds ridiculous.

No there is clearly more than one usage of the word talent. One can have taleent or one can be a talent, and lastly one can simply be talent. When I was coaching and we were setting up game films on HS kids, it was often used as he is good HS talent, good college talent or good pro talent, this had nothing to do with skill set. Just where that person could fit...

Much the way a TV newsperson or even radio broadcaster is called talent not an employee

Ron Dayne was a great college talent (even though he never had a superlatove skill set) but was a below average pro talent

Regardless, JR was a decent (not great dont kid yourself) college QB...I distinctly remember Steve young and Troy Aikman on air each saying he had to totally revamp much of his game to survive in the NFL..... even his cannon, has a sticky release and a horrible trajection angle...thats not to even mention his Ray Charles-esqu field vision.

To me, he is Dan mcGuire with a lower football IQ, and a dumber owner.

[JS19]

ohhhhhh boy, please tynes, please

[Lathum]

Great catch by Manningham on the tipped pass

[Eaglesfan27]

I hate that timeout as it is being snapped.

[Lathum]

I hate the nnja timeout

[tucker rocky]

Ninja sighting

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I hate that timeout as it is being snapped.

For some reason, I think the NFL made a rule about that. Guess not.

[Lathum]

Awesome win, love the fact we spoiled the opening of that eyesore

[Crapshoot]

Nice way to end it.

[JS19]

whew. not gonna lie, with all the missed opportunities, I didn't think they would be able to pull it off.

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Regardless, JR was a decent (not great dont kid yourself) college QB...

The only big thing I disagree with you on that post. His junior year, which is GREAT by any standards:

Cmp% yards yd/c INT TDs
67.8 3129 9.1 8 28

There was a time were some tried to pass the buck on those stats by saying that the LSU team that year had so much talent at WR, but as it turns out, only Bowe was very talented on that WR corps. And Bowe isn't so good that he is the answer as to why a "decent" QB completed nearly 70% of his passes in the SEC.

[Big Fo]

Dallas opens their new stadium with a loss. It's the least they deserve for that Great Wall - Taj Mahal - Roman Coliseum opening segment.

[Lathum]

All the Eli haters can piss off also, he once again stepped up in a huge spot and got his team a win

[Tigercat]

World's most expensive losing experience?

[RendeR]

Seriously, talk about over blowing a stadium's worth. And while the scoreboard is very impressive, its also really fucking ugly in the middle of everything.

[RendeR]

Holy shit she's short!

[Lathum]

Giants are set up real nicely, @ Tampa next week, then Oakland and KC at home. Got a really good shot at starting 5-0.

[Izulde]

I would just like to say fuck you and your underachieving ass Brandon Jacobs for probably costing me the win this week in fantasy football.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I would just like to say fuck you and your underachieving ass Brandon Jacobs for probably costing me the win this week in fantasy football.

stick with him, he has a real soft schedule coming up

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Lathum

stick with him, he has a real soft schedule coming up

Thanks for letting me know that. I was just pondering cutting him in aggravation.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Thanks for letting me know that. I was just pondering cutting him in aggravation.

did you see my post above?

TB, Oak, and KC next 3 weeks

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Congrats to the Jet fans for the game yesterday - you guys punched us in the nose and we crumbled. Got a few things to work on for next week though I'm glad the offense is the problem and not the defense; the offense will steady itself while the defense is held together with scotch tape.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

Jemarcus can make every throw on the football field, from any position in the pocket/behind the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately he can only do so consistently if the target is stationary and a defender isn't in good position.

Wait, I thought you were trying to argue that he's always been an NFL talent?

There are strong-armed ex-football players all over the place. Decision making and accuracy are what make someone an NFL QB, and that's been the knock on Russell all along.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Seriously, talk about over blowing a stadium's worth. And while the scoreboard is very impressive, its also really fucking ugly in the middle of everything.

I love how Jones seems to think people want to come to his stadium to watch TV...

[TroyF]

Not much to add here that hasn't been said. I also get a major kick out of people panicking at 0-2. There are levels. If you are the Titans and are 0-2 and have the next four games before the bye looking like this:

@Jets
@Jags
Colts
@Patriots

maybe you should be a bit concerned. If you are the Bears, even if you'd lost against the Steelers, it wouldn't be time to hit any panic buttons yet.

Some obvservations from two weeks:

Brees is as on as Brady was at the start of 2007. He simply cannot miss right now.

The Steelers O-Line will end any chance they have at repeating.

Brady looked bad yesterday. Not setting in and throwing the ball. The Patriots D has major holes. I think Brady will improve. I think the defense will still suck. I said it last week and I believe it even more now. The Pats look like the early Manning years Colts teams.

I think people may be overrating the Ravens a tad this early in the year. Their offense looks sensational, but that was against the Chiefs D and a Chargers D without Williams. (let's not forget the Chargers gave up 366 yards to the Raiders in week 1). Their defense just doesn't look like what it used to be. 474 yards for the Chargers without a ground game at all? Yikes. Don't get me wrong, I understand how tough that game was yesterday and they could easily make a Super Bowl run. . . I just want to see a little more before I jump on their bandwagon.

The Browns have the single worst offense I've ever seen. The Broncos looked like some incarnation of the '85 Bears yesterday. Watching the game, you never got the feeling they had a chance at a big play. Just a horrible team.

Which AFC team has the best point differential after two weeks? That'd be the Denver Broncos at +26. Which team will have the second or third worst point differential in the AFC by the end of the year? That'd be the Denver Broncos.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

The Pats D has been fine over the first two weeks. It's one thing if you expect regression, but the evidence so far (265 yds/game, 16.5 pts/game) shows them not to be the problem.

edit: Which is not to say that there won't be growing pains this year. My point is just that the defense has held up its end of the bargain the first two games.

[JAG]

Obviously not the outcome I would've liked, but a heck of a game (Cowboys - Giants). I can't remember the last time I saw the Giants' run D gashed that badly, but they majorly frustrated Romo even with a number of injuries in the secondary and while the Giants' offense failed in the red zone a lot, they didn't hurt themselves with turnovers and protected Manning very well.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Which AFC team has the best point differential after two weeks? That'd be the Denver Broncos at +26.

That's some crazy stuff.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

The Pats D has been fine over the first two weeks. It's one thing if you expect regression, but the evidence so far (265 yds/game, 16.5 pts/game) shows them not to be the problem.

edit: Which is not to say that there won't be growing pains this year. My point is just that the defense has held up its end of the bargain the first two games.

I agree. Surprisingly well after the loss of Mayo to be honest. I was expecting them to look worse than they did yesterday. The problem yesterday was the offense - the first two drives they put together that ended in FG's - those needed to be punched in. Or at least one of them and then you're looking at a totally different ballgame.

Credit that to the Jets defense for sure - they played much better than I expected, but I also think that as somebody pointed out earlier (molson? gstelmack?) the Pats O-line is not great right now and the timing + connection between Brady and the receivers in the face of that pressure just isn't quite there yet. It's close...but just not quite there.

I also think that although Edelman played very well, if Brady has his "binky" Wes Welker then things might have looked different (possibly). I also thought as early as the 2nd quarter that they weren't running the ball enough. It seemed that Fred Taylor in particular was running very effectively - they could have used to run him more to slow down the Jets blitzing.

But maybe Belichek and Brady know something we don't - maybe they figured "look...Tom needs to see this level of pressure and we're just going to let him try to throw his way back into that perfect pressure-rhythm with his receivers, even if it means that we might end up taking the loss." Not that I think they wanted to lose, but maybe they're seeing a bigger picture and were willing to risk the chance of losing in order to try to get some of the kinks worked out.

It also was pretty close - a couple drops turn into catches and the Pats have a chance of pulling it out to a tie at the end there, or even a win if we talk earlier in the game. Some of those were Galloway, a couple were bad throws by Tom, etc

[Vince, Pt. II]

What's more surprising:

- 2nd in Points scored: Baltimore Ravens

- Denver is 2-0 with Kyle Orton

[Fidatelo]

I think definitely the Baltimore offense. Denver has played a couple of teams as equally mediocre as themselves, so 2-0, while not necessarily expected, is not really surprising.

Now, if they finish with more than 6 wins, given their remaining schedule, that will be surprising.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

...thats not to even mention his Ray Charles-esqu field vision.

This thread delivers....

[spleen1015]

I just saw the highlight of the pass that went right through TO's hands.

ROFL.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

And that just happened.

[larrymcg421]

Great answer for the Fins!

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Great answer for the Fins!

Yep. Happy birthday, Wildcat!

[Fidatelo]

Are these guys singlehandedly trying to nickname Peyton Manning "The Sheriff"? I've never heard him called that before.

[larrymcg421]

Pat has to try sell a fake when he does that. He can't just stand there.

[Izulde]

Man, I love watching Ronnie Brown run.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Man, I love watching Ronnie Brown run.

It's great that they established him early. It seemed like last week the game was starting to get away and he only had a handful of carries.

Plus, it's great that they have Ricky (and Patrick) in the depth chart. I think it gives Ronnie the ability to run really hard without worrying that some scab will have to spell him if he can't come back for the next play.

[larrymcg421]

I'd love to get a 3 and out here and see what this Colts D will look like on the next drive.

[spleen1015]

I'll take a 50yd TD run from Brown then he can call it a night. I need 11 more points for victory!

[dervack]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'll take a 50yd TD run from Brown then he can call it a night. I need 11 more points for victory!

I need 9, so I'll take that run too.

[DataKing]

Originally Posted by dervack

I need 9, so I'll take that run too.

He's on my bench Probably for the last time until Matt Forte wakes up.

[cartman]

I just had my worst week ever in fantasy football. Every single one of my starters WAY underperformed. I'll need Manning to throw for 600 yards and 10 TDs to even have a chance.

[DaddyTorgo]

my brother had chris johnson, phillip rivers, and vincent jackson.

he rolled to like...242 total points in an espn standard-scoring league

[Izulde]

I was up against Philip Rivers and Vincent Jackson, which cost me this week.