NFL Week 17 - Welker hurt, Giants suck and some other stuff - Page 5

digamma · 01-03-2010, 09:42 PM

Have they announced which days the Saints and Vikings will play in the divisional round? We have some travel plans on Saturday the 16th and my MSP native wife is fretting about not being able to see the Vikings. I can't seem to find anything but blank brackets with the Jan 16/17 date on various sites.

larrymcg421 · 01-03-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

A pattern has emerged which means with absolute certainty that the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

Two of the three premier franchises in major American sports have already won championships (Lakers and Yankees).

Kobe winning without Shaq for the Lakers and Yankees winning with ARod being so unclutch for so long. Cowboys will win with Tony Romo becoming a December/January clutch QB superstar performer and Wade Phillips being a playoff coaching mastermind.

The stars are aligned and there is nothing the sporting world can do to stop this trifecta from occuring. Not even Brett Favre.

The Tony Romo thread will be the best thread ever if this happens.

Vince, Pt. II · 01-03-2010, 09:44 PM

Pretty crazy that three of the four matchups next weekend are going to be between teams that played this weekend. That's gotta be a first, right?

tucker rocky · 01-03-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

A pattern has emerged which means with absolute certainty that the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

Two of the three premier franchises in major American sports have already won championships (Lakers and Yankees).

Kobe winning without Shaq for the Lakers and Yankees winning with ARod being so unclutch for so long. Cowboys will win with Tony Romo becoming a December/January clutch QB superstar performer and Wade Phillips being a playoff coaching mastermind.

The stars are aligned and there is nothing the sporting world can do to stop this trifecta from occuring. Not even Brett Favre.

Indy vs Minn.

tucker rocky · 01-03-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Pretty crazy that three of the four matchups next weekend are going to be between teams that played this weekend. That's gotta be a first, right?

Can't recall this happening either.

lungs · 01-03-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The Tony Romo thread will be the best thread ever if this happens.

A thread on FOFC talking about how ARod and Tony Romo can't come through in the clutch only to see them both lead their teams to championships months later....

jbergey22 · 01-03-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Have they announced which days the Saints and Vikings will play in the divisional round? We have some travel plans on Saturday the 16th and my MSP native wife is fretting about not being able to see the Vikings. I can't seem to find anything but blank brackets with the Jan 16/17 date on various sites.

Im guessing since the Vikings will be playing the Eagles/Cowboys that will be the Sunday game as the TV ratings will be higher.

New Orleans vs Green Bay/Arizona wont have near the national exposure. Purely speculation though.

Of course I have no data to backup that the Sunday games have better ratings. Even though Ive always thought that is how it is set up.

My guess is Pats/Ravens vs Colts and Eagles/Cowboys vs Vikings on Sunday. Jets/Bengals vs Chargers and Cardinals/Packers vs New Orleans on Saturday.

Atocep · 01-03-2010, 09:50 PM

We also had the Lebron isn't clutch thread the season he ended up taking the Cavs to the finals.

digamma · 01-03-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Im guessing since the Vikings will be playing the Eagles/Cowboys that will be the Sunday game as the TV ratings will be higher.

New Orleans vs Green Bay/Arizona wont have near the national exposure. Purely speculation though.

Of course I have no data to backup that the Sunday game has better ratings.

Doesn't the NFL still half re-seed after the Wildcard round so that the #1 seed always plays the lower seeded team? So, it could be Vikings-Cards, if the Cards win and the Eagles win on the road? Only thing you can't have is Vikings-Packers.

jbergey22 · 01-03-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Doesn't the NFL still half re-seed after the Wildcard round so that the #1 seed always plays the lower seeded team? So, it could be Vikings-Cards, if the Cards win and the Eagles win on the road? Only thing you can't have is Vikings-Packers.

I dont think being in the same division matters anymore. The re-seeding should there be an upset I am not sure though.

henry296 · 01-03-2010, 10:01 PM

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

jbergey22 · 01-03-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

Hmm, well that messes up what we are trying to figure out. Seems certain that any matchup with the Eagles/Cowboys and Vikings would be a priority timeslot game however if the Eagles go to New Orleans that might trump the Vikings game against Packers/for sure Cards.

digamma · 01-03-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

Yup, you're right. For some reason, I was thinking Arizona was the #3. So, the Eagles (as the 6) are the only team that can't match up with the Vikings.

EagleFan · 01-03-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

GB/Arz, Philly/Dallas, NYJ/Cincy, all meet again for the real showdown next week.

That has to be a 1st, and 2 of the games are exactly the same as they are in the same location.

EagleFan · 01-03-2010, 10:55 PM

dola: This week sucked!!!!!! Going from a possible 2 seed with at least one home game to the number 6 seed is unreal....

tucker rocky · 01-03-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: This week sucked!!!!!! Going from a possible 2 seed with at least one home game to the number 6 seed is unreal....

Hopefully the real Eagles will show up next week,
and Romo will make his usual exit stage left.

Senator · 01-04-2010, 12:10 AM

repeat comments from last week...

JeeberD · 01-04-2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

and Romo will make his usual exit stage left.

Seems like I've been hearing that the past three weeks...

SackAttack · 01-04-2010, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Hmm, well that messes up what we are trying to figure out. Seems certain that any matchup with the Eagles/Cowboys and Vikings would be a priority timeslot game however if the Eagles go to New Orleans that might trump the Vikings game against Packers/for sure Cards.

I have to think that if the schedule is based on potential ratings, and IF the Packers and Vikings played in the divisional round, that it would end up getting priority over Eagles/Saints.

I mean, just remembering how ESPN was slobbering over the first two matchups, you gotta think whoever is televising the NFC playoffs would drown in a puddle of drool over a MIN/GB matchup (although they might prefer it in an NFC title game with a trip to Miami on the line).

Thomkal · 01-04-2010, 07:24 AM

And Jim Zorn has been fired already. Shocking!

Rizon · 01-04-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

And Jim Zorn has been fired already. Shocking!

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.

M GO BLUE!!! · 01-04-2010, 08:56 AM

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

DaddyTorgo · 01-04-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

If it was me I would have said: "4am? Is this meeting to terminate me? If so, we can just go ahead and skip the meeting."

gstelmack · 01-04-2010, 09:14 AM

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.

The Philly / Dallas game is a very different kettle of fish, since Philly had a shot at the #2 seed and tanked it. I can't believe they held back and risked a road game and the #6 seed.

Butter · 01-04-2010, 09:30 AM

As a Bengal fan, I am pretty pleased to even get in the playoffs at all. I can't be too upset about the game last night... and frankly after thinking it over, I would much rather play the Jets than the Ravens at this point. Despite the Jets apparent "dismantling" of the Bengals, next week will be a much different atmosphere. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Jets win it considering that the Bengals have been struggling through the last half of the season. But Bengal fans should be a lot happier than they are too, instead of dwelling on last night's debacle.

jbergey22 · 01-04-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.

The Philly / Dallas game is a very different kettle of fish, since Philly had a shot at the #2 seed and tanked it. I can't believe they held back and risked a road game and the #6 seed.

They may have had a vanilla gameplan but did they ever look uncomfortable in that cold weather. It's one thing to not want to give anything away its another thing to be completely torn apart and physically dominated like the Jets did to them in that first half.

Thomkal · 01-04-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

yeah just another ridiculous moment in the whole fiasco really. Snyder should have just fired him after the Detroit game. Instead the whole situation just became a bigger and bigger joke and embarassment for the organization.

panerd · 01-04-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.
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Believe me I am a huge Cinci fan and hope they blow out the Jets but I am not sure I have seen anything but a vanilla gameplan from them the whole season. I do think that a lot of the dropped balls were from recievers that didn't want to get hit and the defense wasn't exactly breaking a sweat trying to stop them either (especially after NY was up 17 and it was obvious this one was going to be replayed next weekend)

Why does Brad Smith (one of my Mizzou guys) have to have his breakout NFL game against my Bengals? Couldn't this have happened earlier in the season or next? Heres to hoping the Bengals shut Smith down and put the game in Sanchez's hands.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-04-2010, 10:47 AM

Bills just fired their entire coaching staff.

Lathum · 01-04-2010, 10:52 AM

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

DaddyTorgo · 01-04-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

seriously. i'd have a "no meeting with or communication from ownership group before 8am" put into my contract.

jbergey22 · 01-04-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

Is Tom Coughlin safe? I havent heard much about him. The way they ended the past 2 season hasnt been real impressive and the fact that he was in a world of trouble before they made the SB run makes me wonder if they might want to go another direction.

Far too much talent to be and 8-8 team. Ending the way they did makes me wonder if his time hasnt run its course.

Lathum · 01-04-2010, 11:17 AM

All accounts are that he is safe and Sheridan is the fall guy. I think they give him one more year based on the Plax thing last year and a ton of injuries this year.

Lathum · 01-04-2010, 11:19 AM

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

Logan · 01-04-2010, 11:21 AM

At least the Redskins fired him after a flight home, unlike when the Mets fired Willie Randolph at 2am after making him fly out to Cali.

DaddyTorgo · 01-04-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

seriously??

i thought cable was like...maybe one of their bright spots. team actually won a few games this year too. i guess this goes to show that Al Davis expects his coaches to be able to overcome his insane meddling in personnel matters.

i wonder who's insane enough to take that job at this point.

jbergey22 · 01-04-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

+1.

Just another spineless move by a man that cant accept he is the one that brought this franchise down.

DaddyTorgo · 01-04-2010, 11:23 AM

worrisome - Brady's completion percentage with Welker in the lineup is more than 11 points higher this season (68) than it is without him (56.3).

Also, if he's got an ACL/MCL tear you can pretty much rule him out for most if not all of next year too. 6-12 months recovery time.

Jughead Spock · 01-04-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

Thus, why Davis had to fire him.

As for the 4am thing, yeah, kinda sucks, but was probably a case where Zorn was usually in at 4:30, even off-season. NFL Coaches are crazy.

DataKing · 01-04-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Bills just fired their entire coaching staff.

Bobby April's name just got added to a lot of peoples' short lists for staff positions.

Mustang · 01-04-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

As for the 4am thing, yeah, kinda sucks, but was probably a case where Zorn was usually in at 4:30, even off-season. NFL Coaches are crazy.

Washington played in SD. I'm sure by the time they cleaned up, did post game stuff, got on a plane and flew home it was probably 2 in the morning. I'm sure they walked off the bus, took him in the office and fired him which is far better than telling him to go home and be back at 9:00 AM to be fired.

Lathum · 01-04-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Washington played in SD. I'm sure by the time they cleaned up, did post game stuff, got on a plane and flew home it was probably 2 in the morning. I'm sure they walked off the bus, took him in the office and fired him which is far better than telling him to go home and be back at 9:00 AM to be fired.

good point.

JediKooter · 01-04-2010, 12:08 PM

Welker is a pussy if he doesn't play in the playoffs. I mean this is the playoffs, you need to tough it out for the team and do whatever you can to help win.

Samdari · 01-04-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

Welker is a pussy if he doesn't play in the playoffs. I mean this is the playoffs, you need to tough it out for the team and do whatever you can to help win.

One would assume the crutches and immobilized knee would make his cuts less crisp.

DataKing · 01-04-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

One would assume the crutches and immobilized knee would make his cuts less crisp.

He could catch a bubble screen and fall forward for 2 yards.

Kodos · 01-04-2010, 12:47 PM

Despite being a Patriot, Welker is one of my favorite players. Sad to see him go down like that.

RainMaker · 01-04-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

Chubby · 01-04-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

minus that whole punching another coach... and his exwife thing...

bronconick · 01-04-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

I believe that's exactly what Cable said,

Tom Cable: JaMarcus Russell Kept Us Out of the Playoffs -- NFL FanHouse

which is why Davis will probably fire him. Davis has some weird torrid love obsession with Russell because he can throw a ball 900 yards from his back, ignoring the detail that one is usually down at that point.

RainMaker · 01-04-2010, 01:51 PM

If it was about the punching his assistant, he would have been fired earlier. I think this is over trashing Russell and giving up on him.

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01-04-2010, 09:14 AM	#224
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan. The Philly / Dallas game is a very different kettle of fish, since Philly had a shot at the #2 seed and tanked it. I can't believe they held back and risked a road game and the #6 seed. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

01-04-2010, 09:30 AM	#225
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	As a Bengal fan, I am pretty pleased to even get in the playoffs at all. I can't be too upset about the game last night... and frankly after thinking it over, I would much rather play the Jets than the Ravens at this point. Despite the Jets apparent "dismantling" of the Bengals, next week will be a much different atmosphere. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Jets win it considering that the Bengals have been struggling through the last half of the season. But Bengal fans should be a lot happier than they are too, instead of dwelling on last night's debacle. __________________ My listening habits

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01-03-2010, 09:42 PM	#201
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Have they announced which days the Saints and Vikings will play in the divisional round? We have some travel plans on Saturday the 16th and my MSP native wife is fretting about not being able to see the Vikings. I can't seem to find anything but blank brackets with the Jan 16/17 date on various sites.

01-03-2010, 09:44 PM	#203
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Pretty crazy that three of the four matchups next weekend are going to be between teams that played this weekend. That's gotta be a first, right?

01-03-2010, 09:50 PM	#208
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	We also had the Lebron isn't clutch thread the season he ended up taking the Cavs to the finals.

01-03-2010, 10:55 PM	#215
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01-04-2010, 07:24 AM	#220
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	And Jim Zorn has been fired already. Shocking!

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M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

01-04-2010, 10:52 AM	#230
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough. Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

01-04-2010, 11:17 AM	#233
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	All accounts are that he is safe and Sheridan is the fall guy. I think they give him one more year based on the Plax thing last year and a ton of injuries this year.

01-04-2010, 11:19 AM	#234
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

01-04-2010, 11:21 AM	#235
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	At least the Redskins fired him after a flight home, unlike when the Mets fired Willie Randolph at 2am after making him fly out to Cali.

01-04-2010, 11:23 AM	#238
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	worrisome - Brady's completion percentage with Welker in the lineup is more than 11 points higher this season (68) than it is without him (56.3). Also, if he's got an ACL/MCL tear you can pretty much rule him out for most if not all of next year too. 6-12 months recovery time. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9 Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 01-04-2010 at 11:24 AM.

01-04-2010, 12:08 PM	#243
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Welker is a pussy if he doesn't play in the playoffs. I mean this is the playoffs, you need to tough it out for the team and do whatever you can to help win. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

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01-04-2010, 01:51 PM	#250
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