NFL Week 15 Thread

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I don't have any rooting interest. That definitely looked like the type of hit that hasn't been allowed for a few years now.

It's the exact hit they want out of this game.

[Scarecrow]

What a man!

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

With all due respect to you, because I like you as a person and with what you've shared elsewhere on the boards... but as far as "feeling your pain" as a Steelers fan? Go fuck yourself.

And I mean that in the friendliest possible way, but seriously.

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I had zero respect for the Steelers and their organization before the game last night, and I've got zero after. They're a bunch of cheap shot artists that are taught to be exactly that.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

A Steelers fan feeling football-related pain?

In the immortal words of Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PAIN IS!"

Yeah, you guys love me.

You know that was all tongue in cheek.

I didn't watch one snap last night as I had to sleep before my night shift. I did see the replay of the punter and I felt bad. It should have been flagged, it was a hit that was illegal per the current rules. Years ago it would have made NFL's Greatest Hits.

Missed Penalty Gave Pittsburgh A Touchdown (And Broke A Punter's Jaw)

I do think it's totally unfair to say that a rookie, undrafted free agent who has been stuck on special teams for most of the season, and is trying to just make a big, impact play is totally indicative of the entire team being a bunch of dirty cocksuckers.

The Steelers don't play any dirtier than any other team in the NFL, and to say otherwise is just homerism.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

It's the exact hit they want out of this game.

Sad to me to see that hit and then compare it to the Ahmad Brooks hit on Drew Brees a few weeks back.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Sad to me to see that hit and then compare it to the Ahmad Brooks hit on Drew Brees a few weeks back.

In one instance you are dealing with a punter who makes $750k and the other a QB who makes $15 million plus. Not saying it is right but we all know how the league protects QBs.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

What a man!

Absolutely should be fined and suspended. Definitely a bad hit. No launching, but for sure leading with his helmet to the helmet. Looks like he was paying attention to Orpik's hit on Loui Erikson the other night.

Pittsburgh is a dirty fucking sports city.

If they had an MLS team I'd say it'd be a perfect fit for Luis Suarez or Zinedine Zidane.

[larrymcg421]

Michael Thomas' improbable heroics cap Miami Dolphins' win - NFL.com

Great article on Michael Thomas, who went from the Niners practice squad last week to making the winning INT against the Pats yesterday.

[Chief Rum]

Obviously, everyone is (and should be) focusing on the hit on the punter.

But look at the pathetic tackle attempt by #40 on Brown. The guy who goes down the instant Brown does a half-ass "straight" arm. I don't know who that guy is, but he sucks.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

totally indicative of the entire team being a bunch of dirty cocksuckers.

I don't think anybody is questioning their hygiene.

[molson]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Michael Thomas' improbable heroics cap Miami Dolphins' win - NFL.com

Great article on Michael Thomas, who went from the Niners practice squad last week to making the winning INT against the Pats yesterday.

And he broke up the pass to Danny Amendola a couple of plays earlier, which may have been an even more important play, just in terms of difficulty and the fact that he was all alone out there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

But look at the pathetic tackle attempt by #40 on Brown. The guy who goes down the instant Brown does a half-ass "straight" arm. I don't know who that guy is, but he sucks.

Well you made me look.

Shawn Williams, a safety drafted in the 3rd round out of UGA last season

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

What a man!

Is there another angle to see? It looks like the head of the Steeler is actually off to right of Huber when he makes the hit (the blow looks more glancing than head on). But it could just be my eyes.

I have no rooting interest, I'm a Dolphins fan.

[JPhillips]

I would think the fact that he has a broken jaw would be enough to prove he was hit in the jaw.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I would think the fact that he has a broken jaw would be enough to prove he was hit in the jaw.

This. It's not like he fell forward or anything. No possible other way to break it.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I would think the fact that he has a broken jaw would be enough to prove he was hit in the jaw.

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

This. It's not like he fell forward or anything. No possible other way to break it.

I would just like to see it from another angle before passing internet justice on it.

[PilotMan]

I think we all know who is to blame for the Cowboys collapse and the Steelers' controversial hit.

[cougarfreak]

Kickers and punters always fall under the definition of defenseless. No hitting with the helmet or above the neck. As usual, the refs had their heads up their assess. And it was right in the middle of the play. No way you should miss that.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The Steelers don't play any dirtier than any other team in the NFL, and to say otherwise is just homerism.

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Pittsburgh is a dirty fucking sports city.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

Kickers and punters always fall under the definition of defenseless.

Then they simply shouldn't be allowed to tackle.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Well you made me look.

Shawn Williams, a safety drafted in the 3rd round out of UGA last season

I also had to look, and I've watched every Bengals game this season. Tells you what an impact Shawn Williams is having this year.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

It's the exact hit they want out of this game.

The explanation on one of the local stations this morning was it was parrallel, rather than Garvin peeling back and blindsiding.

Not saying it's correct, I'll take your interpretation 10 out of 10, but at least that was their rationalization.

[Butter]

BTW, dude clearly leaves his feet. So, yeah he's not diving at him in a classical sense, but he's basically put his full thrust directly onto Huber's jaw.

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Then they simply shouldn't be allowed to tackle.

Or the rule shouldn't be there. But it is. And it happened. In the middle of the play. Right in front of at least 2 of the "officials".

[CleBrownsfan]

Anyone know if Reggie Bush is playing tonight? For fantasy football sake - I hope not!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Anyone know if Reggie Bush is playing tonight? For fantasy football sake - I hope not!

He's supposed to. All signs indicate that he will be playing tonight.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

They're 9-5. Don't give up just yet.

Oh I haven't given up yet believe me. But they have to finish the season against two teams that have beaten them once already, and probably must win both games to get into the playoffs. I think the only team they have the tiebreaker against is Carolina, so Carolina can't beat New Orleans this week.

Now with the potential Fitz injury, its just that the odds seem stacked very high against them making the playoffs. But its been a pretty wacky year in the NFL with a lot of unexpected results, so who knows what will happen in the last two games of the season.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Anyone know if Reggie Bush is playing tonight? For fantasy football sake - I hope not!

i believe he's supposed to, and for fantasy sake, i think stafford should look at the alex smith-jamaal charles connection yesterday and try to replicate that (I'm down 68 points with stafford/bush/torrey smith going tonight)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Radii

i believe he's supposed to, and for fantasy sake, i think stafford should look at the alex smith-jamaal charles connection yesterday and try to replicate that (I'm down 68 points with stafford/bush/torrey smith going tonight)

Torrey Smith might get you halfway there his own damn self.

[PilotMan]

Kevin Huber of Cincinnati Bengals also injured neck - ESPN

Cincinnati Bengals punter Kevin Huber not only suffered a broken jaw on a blindside block during a 68-yard touchdown return by the Pittsburgh Steelers' Antonio Brown in the first quarter Sunday night, but sources say he also suffered a cracked vertebra in his neck on the vicious hit from Terence Garvin.

Damn. It's an ugly hit. I don't think there is much arguing that this is the exact kind of hit the NFL was hoping to eliminate. The refs totally blew the call. They should be ashamed. Not that their inability means anything to Huber. It simply shouldn't have happened.

[rowech]

Lets not forget Carson Palmer being taken out too. I've seen two guys grt broken jaws and both came against the Steelers. I think it's just a hit to show off and I'm not sure what you're showing off by hitting a punter like that.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by rowech

Lets not forget Carson Palmer being taken out too. I've seen two guys grt broken jaws and both came against the Steelers. I think it's just a hit to show off and I'm not sure what you're showing off by hitting a punter like that.

Another legal play. Kemo is blocked to the ground while trying to sack Palmer. If you're going to whine about all the injuries the Bengals have sustained playing the Steelers on legal hits, we're going to be here a while. Of course, Cincy fans whining about their team is nothing new. I used to hear them whine about Glen Edwards and Dwight White back in the Ken Anderson days. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Another legal play. Kemo is blocked to the ground while trying to sack Palmer. If you're going to whine about all the injuries the Bengals have sustained playing the Steelers on legal hits, we're going to be here a while. Of course, Cincy fans whining about their team is nothing new. I used to hear them whine about Glen Edwards and Dwight White back in the Ken Anderson days. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

It's you against the world... the Cincinnati fans, the fans with no rooting interest either way, and the Steeler fans in this thread are all wrong and you are right. Clean play move on. Just whining Bengal fans... and whining fans who don't care and are objective... and whining Steeler fans not named Blackadar....

[JPhillips]

I hope the vertebrae injury isn't career threatening.

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by rowech

Give me a fucking break...

Carson Palmer knee injury vs steelers - YouTube

To be fair, it looks as though the picture was shaking so bad that the Pittsburgh player was just looking desperately for anything to hold on to.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I hope the vertebrae injury isn't career threatening.

It's not. Just requires time to heal. You don't want to play until it firms up. I've cracked/fractured two vertebrae on two separate occasions. Just hurts like hell for a few weeks.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Then they simply shouldn't be allowed to tackle.

This.

In that situation -- where they're not kicking -- they're either a football player/participant or they're not. Give a damn what the rules say or don't say, that's just common sense.

[molson]

I've never actually heard a penalty called or fine assessed specifically for hitting a punter or kicker in a manner that would otherwise be OK. Is that really a thing? I did a quick google search but I've only seen that "rule" referenced in ranting blogs about the "pussification" of the NFL and such. The consensus of the board seems to be this would be an illegal hit regardless.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never actually heard a penalty called or fine assessed specifically for hitting a punter or kicker in a manner that would otherwise be OK. Is that really a thing? I did a quick google search but I've only seen that "rule" referenced in ranting blogs about the "pussification" of the NFL and such. The consensus of the board seems to be this would be an illegal hit regardless.

UCLA was penalized this year for blocking the punter on a return. I think it was the UW game

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Pittsburgh is a dirty fucking sports city.

Shawn Thornton of Boston Bruins suspended 15 games for Brooks Orpik incident - ESPN Boston

Boston Celtics' Kevin Garnett suspended for Game 2 vs. Miami Heat - ESPN Boston

Don Zimmer Clowned by Pedro Martinez - YouTube

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Shawn Thornton of Boston Bruins suspended 15 games for Brooks Orpik incident - ESPN Boston

Boston Celtics' Kevin Garnett suspended for Game 2 vs. Miami Heat - ESPN Boston

Don Zimmer Clowned by Pedro Martinez - YouTube

I agree with your general point, but still maintain that Don Zimmer could have beaten up Pedro Martinez in a fair fight in 2003, let alone when he's charging at him. Pedro's choices were to run away or to try to get Zimmer to the ground.

[PilotMan]

Let's just leave it at we all cheer for our teams and when our guys get hurt, the other team is a bunch of cheap fucking scumbags. I know that's how I felt when Heath Miller went down with the knee injury last year. I know that's how Pats and Bengals fans feel now. It is how we all feel when we cheer for our guys. Let is alone. We like who we like. Accept that your friends like who they like and move the discussion onto more pragmatic discussions.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never actually heard a penalty called or fine assessed specifically for hitting a punter or kicker in a manner that would otherwise be OK. Is that really a thing? I did a quick google search but I've only seen that "rule" referenced in ranting blogs about the "pussification" of the NFL and such. The consensus of the board seems to be this would be an illegal hit regardless.

I don't care that Huber got hit, I care that there was clear helmet to helmet contact that led to injury.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

In one instance you are dealing with a punter who makes $750k and the other a QB who makes $15 million plus. Not saying it is right but we all know how the league protects QBs.

True.

[cuervo72]

Heh...."Burleson delivers."

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I think we all know who is to blame for the Cowboys collapse and the Steelers' controversial hit.

[bhlloy]

Can we all just agree the lions are dumb though? Nothing like an obvious and completely unnecessary personal foul on a ball that's under thrown by 20 yards to give the other team points at the end of the half

[fantom1979]

Wasn't a very smart play by Delmas. I know it can be frustrating for these safeties when the receiver's head moves right before they hit them. But by now, you would think they would be aiming for the receiver's waist. The rule has been in place long enough now that aiming for his shoulder is not a very smart idea.

[Radii]

Dolphins defender nobody knows seals victory over the Patriots - Sun Sentinel

awesome story

[Lathum]

Wow. Horrible missed call.

[ColtCrazy]

I have no idea how a professional ref misses that.