College Football Week 10 Thread

[Galaxy]

WOW!

[st.cronin]

What is the record for penalty yards in a college game?

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Did he miss an XP though? I thought I heard that before...

Doesnt matter much, 17-17 is still good

He finally missed one before the end of the half, but just nailedd a 50 yarder, hes a damn good kicker. 18-19 for the year now.

[st.cronin]

Bama's special teams has been lights out today.

[Jas_lov]

How did Miles not know that the tricky O-line shift was illegal? Alabama has stopped them and will get the ball back!

[st.cronin]

4th and 4, this could be LSU's last chance.

[st.cronin]

Well then.

[Jas_lov]

Tie game! Plenty of time left to mount a game winning drive though.

[Jas_lov]

Fumble! LSU takes control!

[st.cronin]

Oh my.

[st.cronin]

LSU survives again, somehow.

[RedKingGold]

So, if Oregon continues to dominate Arizona State, and BC ekes out a close win or loses to Florida State; how many people would put Oregon as #2 ahead of LSU?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

So, if Oregon continues to dominate Arizona State, and BC ekes out a close win or loses to Florida State; how many people would put Oregon as #2 ahead of LSU?

Umm..do you know that the SEC is the best conference in America? If you don't, I'm sure some SEC-homer will be coming to tell you soon.

Oregon shouldn't even be on the field with Vanderbilt. Other conferences need not apply.

We already have a national championship game, the SEC title game.

[/tongue-in-cheek]

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Umm..do you know that the SEC is the best conference in America? If you don't, I'm sure some SEC-homer will be coming to tell you soon.

Oregon shouldn't even be on the field with Vanderbilt. Other conferences need not apply.

We already have a national championship game, the SEC title game.

[/tongue-in-cheek]

That's so tongue in cheek that... well, everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line and east of Texas believes it...

SI

[Noop]

Oregon has looked good all season. If not for a close lost to I believe Cal they would be ranked #1 right now.

[st.cronin]

I was actually looking forward to laughing at people trying to argue that a 2 loss LSU team would deserve to be in the national championship game.

[Young Drachma]

14-0 Wyoming over San Diego State with 2 minutes left in the first quarter. San Diego State doesn't play in front of many fans it seems....

[sterlingice]

How again does the SEC get that claim about being the super conference? There's only one really good win with LSU over Va Tech. Then there's that great win by Tennessee over... wait, they lost to Cal. Auburn beat South Florid.. never mind. 'bama has that win against a mediocre Florida State te-- nope, guess not. But they do enjoy beating the snot out of Troy.

There are wins over some middle-to-bottom-of-the-pack teams in other conferences, with SEC East leader Georgia over 5-4 Oklahoma State, South Carolina over 3-6 North Carolina, Kentucky over 5-4 Louisville, second in the west Auburn over 5-4 Kansas State. The only other BCS games were West Virginia over Mississippi State and Mizzou over Ole Miss. This is the sum total of all SEC games against other BCS opponents (unless I've missed a game).

To tally it all up, one marquee win, three big losses, and 4 wins by top half of the conference teams over a bunch of mediocre schlubs from other conferences (and 2 losses going the other direction). Oh, and a bunch of non-conference schedules against cupcakes, just like everyone else, that get covered up because they start SEC play in week 1. That way, no one sees the games against Florida International, Western Carolina, Louisiana Lafayette, and Tennessee Tech because they get sprinkled into the season when there's an LSU-Alabama game on.

How again is this the best conference?

SI

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

There's two really good wins with LSU over Va Tech and also Mississippi State beat West Virginia.

Might want to check your facts there, bud. Mississippi State doesn't even belong on the same field as West Virginia:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=272930277

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Might want to check your facts there, bud. Mississippi State doesn't even belong on the same field as West Virginia:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=272930277

Whoops- even funnier since I mentioned the WVa won and Miss State won at different places in my little rant. Sorry, I don't have the SEC schedule memorized I'll make the correction above.

SI

[MizzouRah]

Big win for Mizzou.. convincing, but I was worried going into Colorado.

KU looks tough.. should be a great matchup in a few weeks!

[st.cronin]

The myth of SEC superiority is just that - a myth. The conference might be a tiny little bit stronger overall than other conferences, but going 7-1 in the SEC is NOT more impressive than going 8-0 in the Big 10. All of the major conferences are basically the same.

[Noop]

Mizzou impressive in victory.

[Radii]

Just another argument to not have any polls until week 4 of the regular season, right? LSU has played 6 ranked opponents, but its easy to argue that its just because the SEC is overrated overall, and its pretty much impossible to prove either way because the foundation for saying the SEC is as good as it is comes from the respect they get in pre-season polls.

If LSU wins out they stay ranked above Oregon for sure b/c of the strength of schedule, not that Oregon has a bad schedule, but LSU started higher and plays tons of ranked teams(including one more in the SEC Title game, though its looking like no one in the SEC East wants that title right now).


I'm from the south but I'm an ACC fan so I dunno WTF my perspective is supposed to be. I guess general west coast bias? I'd love to see Ohio State lose and Oregon/LSU in the title game, I enjoy watching Oregon quite a bit.

[BishopMVP]

The Big 10 is weak this year. OSU/Michigan/Wisconsin are the only good teams. I'm no SEC homer, but at least use the Pac-10 or Big 12 for your argument.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

The Big 10 is weak this year. OSU/Michigan/Wisconsin are the only good teams. I'm no SEC homer, but at least use the Pac-10 or Big 12 for your argument.

I guess you didn't see Illinois (which beat Wisconsin, btw) almost beat Missouri with their second string quarterback?

Edit: Also these teams which you didn't mention went undefeated in non-conference play: Penn State, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I guess you didn't see Illinois (which beat Wisconsin, btw) almost beat Missouri with their second string quarterback?

Edit: Also these teams which you didn't mention went undefeated in non-conference play: Penn State, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana.

No offense, and I'm a Big Ten homer, but who did those four teams play out-of-conference?

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I guess you didn't see Illinois (which beat Wisconsin, btw) almost beat Missouri with their second string quarterback?

Edit: Also these teams which you didn't mention went undefeated in non-conference play: Penn State, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana.

I live in the Northeast, so I get to see Big 10 football week after week. And, no, those aren't good teams. Almost doesn't count, and the best win by any of those teams is.... Syracuse? Notre Dame? Pitt? Honestly, after looking at the schedules I'm even going to take Wisconsin out of the good teams listing considering their only decent win is over Indiana (they did not play well against MSU despite coming back and surviving).

Also, Matt Ryan finally beats Tony Carter for a TD pass. 10-7 FSU late 3rd, BC ball back.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

No offense, and I'm a Big Ten homer, but who did those four teams play out-of-conference?

Of course they didn't beat anybody good; but the evidence that they are not good teams is not there.

The Big Ten went 4-0 against Notre Dame; the Pac 10 went 1-1.

Edit: Also the Big Ten went 2-1 against the SEC in bowl games last year.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Of course they didn't beat anybody good; but the evidence that they are not good teams is not there.

The Big Ten went 4-0 against Notre Dame; the Pac 10 went 1-1.

How does not beating anybody good=good teams?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Edit: Also the Big Ten went 2-1 against the SEC in bowl games last year.

Bowl games are last year (and meaningless to me in comparing conferences).

[sterlingice]

Mindblowingly stupid stat of the day that I just read: "Crabtree, a freshman, had his worst game with four catches for 61 yards. But he is still the NCAA leader with 104 catches for 1,522 yards and 18 TDs."

SI

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

How does not beating anybody good=good teams?

Is Virginia a good team? Virginia lost to Wyoming for god's sakes. Is Wake Forest a good team? They lost at home to NEBRASKA.

On the other hand, who did Kansas play out of conference?

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Of course they didn't beat anybody good; but the evidence that they are not good teams is not there.

The Big Ten went 4-0 against Notre Dame; the Pac 10 went 1-1.

Notre Dame being bad has hurt the Big Ten OOC, but there are so many FCS and MAC schools on there it's a joke. I've got no dog in this fight, but the Big 10 has shown nothing this year OOC, and I'm in the show me you're good rather than beat MAC teams and make me prove you're not camp.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Notre Dame being bad has hurt the Big Ten OOC, but there are so many FCS and MAC schools on there it's a joke. I've got no dog in this fight, but the Big 10 has shown nothing this year OOC, and I'm in the show me you're good rather than beat MAC teams and make me prove you're not camp.

See SI's comments on the SEC ooc scheduling. The only conference that really schedules differently is the Pac 10. The other BCS conferences all schedule the same way, more or less.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is Virginia a good team? Virginia lost to Wyoming for god's sakes. Is Wake Forest a good team? They lost at home to NEBRASKA.

On the other hand, who did Kansas play out of conference?

Where have you seen me argue those teams, or any teams in particular, were good teams? All I've said is that the SEC, PAC-10 and Big XII all have more good teams than the Big Ten. Stop cherry-picking other teams from conferences I haven't even mentioned.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Mindblowingly stupid stat of the day that I just read: "Crabtree, a freshman, had his worst game with four catches for 61 yards. But he is still the NCAA leader with 104 catches for 1,522 yards and 18 TDs."

SI

More fun with stupid Texas Tech stats as it's like looking at fake video game stats.

They have two WRs with more receptions (104, 86) than their leading rusher has rushes (84).

Graham Harrell just passed 4000 yards in game number 10. His outputs this season:

Sep 03	@Southern Methodist	W 49-9		116.4	44	59	74.6	419	7.1	4	0		1	1	1	1		0	0
Sep 08	UTEP	W 45-31		110.4	48	64	75	484	7.6	4	1		3	8	2.6	0		1	7
Sep 15	@Rice	W 59-24		140.1	28	37	75.7	414	11.2	6	1		4	12	2.9	0		0	0
Sep 22	@Oklahoma State	L 45-49		124.3	46	67	68.7	646	9.6	5	0		3	3	0.9	0		2	11
Sep 29	Northwestern State	W 75-7		131	26	40	65	338	8.5	5	0		1	7	7	0		0	0
Oct 06	Iowa State	W 42-17		129.2	36	43	83.7	425	9.9	4	1		4	10	2.4	1		2	15
Oct 13	Texas A&M	W 35-7		141.6	30	37	81.1	425	11.5	3	0		3	6	1.9	1		1	10
Oct 20	@Missouri	L 10-41		59.9	44	69	63.8	397	5.8	1	4		5	39	7.7	0		3	28
Oct 27	Colorado	L 26-31		82.1	46	62	74.2	431	7	3	4		6	0	0	0		3	12

Today he went 37/46 for 433 with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. His backup threw for 196 against NW State. So between that and 3 yards against Mizzou, he was that close to having 4x 400 yard games.

SI

[BishopMVP]

I gotta head out, so I'll post mroe when I get back.

Great play by FSU. Fumbled the punt, BC had two gvuys on top, FSU guys dive in and wrestle it away before the officials break it up. FSU ball about the BC 40.

[Radii]

I dunno which I enjoy more, the weekly "x conference sucks, no it doesn't" arguments in this thread or the weekly Patriots hating/fanboy defending in the NFL threads.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Where have you seen me argue those teams, or any teams in particular, were good teams? All I've said is that the SEC, PAC-10 and Big XII all have more good teams than the Big Ten. Stop cherry-picking other teams from conferences I haven't even mentioned.

My argument is simply that to say a team isn't good, you have to provide evidence. I mean, you can just say "I watch the Big Ten all the time, it sucks." But I can say the same thing about the Big XII or the SEC.

I agree that the Big Ten is not as good as the Pac 10; but the difference is not great at all. Heck, the Big 10 is 2-1 against the Pac 10 this year.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Radii

I dunno which I enjoy more, the weekly "x conference sucks, no it doesn't" arguments in this thread or the weekly Patriots hating/fanboy defending in the NFL threads.

My point is that those arguments are stupid because all the bcs conferences are basically the same.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Okay, that had to drop my IQ by at least ten points.

ABC just showed Ryan's comeback TD pass from a couple of weeks ago ... via EA Sports animation. WTF?!?!?!?

I know good & damned well they haven't lost the actual footage. I know this is supposed to be the video game generation but DAMN.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My argument is simply that to say a team isn't good, you have to provide evidence.

And in my mind, a team needs to provide evidence it's good before I say it is. Maybe that's where our difference comes from.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is Virginia a good team? Virginia lost to Wyoming for god's sakes. Is Wake Forest a good team? They lost at home to NEBRASKA.

On the other hand, who did Kansas play out of conference?

The point is, however, Kansas and Virginia, to a lesser extent, have beaten good teams.

Purdue:
09/01 at Toledo W 52-24
09/08 E Illinois W 52-6
09/15 C Michigan W 45-22
09/22 at Minnesota W 45-31
09/29 N Dame W 33-19
10/06 #4 Ohio St L 23-7
10/13 at Michigan L 48-21
10/20 Iowa W 31-6
10/27 N'western W 35-17
11/03 at Penn State L 26-19


Michigan State:
09/01 UAB W 55-18
09/08 BGU W 28-17
09/15 Pittsburgh W 17-13
09/22 at N Dame W 31-14
09/29 at #9 Wisconsin L 37-34
10/06 N'western L 48-41
10/13 Indiana W 52-27
10/20 at #1 Ohio St L 24-17
10/27 at Iowa L 34-27
11/03 #12 Michigan L 28-24

Penn State
09/01 Fla Int'l W 59-0
09/08 N Dame W 31-10
09/15 Buffalo W 45-24
09/22 at Michigan L 14-9
09/29 at Illinois L 27-20
10/06 Iowa W 27-7
10/13 #19 Wisconsin W 38-7
10/20 at Indiana W 36-31
10/27 #1 Ohio St L 37-17
11/03 Purdue W 26-19

Indiana
09/01 Indiana St W 55-7
09/08 at W Michigan W 37-27
09/15 Akron W 41-24
09/22 Illinois L 27-14
09/29 at Iowa W 38-20
10/06 Minnesota W 40-20
10/13 at Mich St L 52-27
10/20 Penn State L 36-31
10/27 at Wisconsin L 33-3
11/03 Ball St W 38-20

I don't see any "quality" wins by any of the teams, expect perheps Penn State's win at Wisconsin. And they each at 3, 4, or 5 losses.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Meanwhile, back on the field ... FSU now leads BC 20-10 with 7:39 left

[Galaxy]

Ryan's got a great touch on those throws.

[sterlingice]

Fooled the camera guy on that one

SI

[sterlingice]

Whats with the sound in this game? Lots of swearing or just bad microphones?

SI

[ISiddiqui]

I don't know what to make of Ryan... he can look horrible for most of the game and then look amazing at the end of it. It's strange.

[ISiddiqui]

Florida State with an INT going back to a TD the other way! It looks like they'll win it!!