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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
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02-09-2015, 12:39 PM | #24901 |
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I'm posting this from work...I'm still IP banned at home - PC, Tablet, Phone. FWIW it seems not to be personal so
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02-09-2015, 12:50 PM | #24902 |
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Are you using the Google DNS servers? I've noticed every now and again when I use it, I'll be banned from the board at home.
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02-09-2015, 03:24 PM | #24903 |
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Back to the original topic (Politics that is)
So... looks like Alabama is the 37th state to allow gay marriage, as the Supreme Court voted 7-2 not to stay the decision lifting the ban on gay marriage. Same-sex couples marry in some Alabama counties: Live updates from across the state | AL.com Justice Thomas (and Scalia of course) wrote the dissent saying this shows that the Supreme Court is ready to make Same Sex Marriage legal nationwide. If it's 7-2 on THAT decision.... you may just see heads exploding throughout the south.
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02-09-2015, 03:33 PM | #24904 |
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It'll likely be 6-3, with Kennedy and Roberts joining the majority. That way, Roberts can make the ruling as narrow as possible (knowing that the conservatives have lost the gay marriage ruling with Kennedy joining the liberal 4). Otherwise, it may open the gates to sexual orientation being a suspect class (a la, race, gender, etc). If Roberts rules there is no rational basis for denying same sex marriage, those questions can still play out.
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02-09-2015, 05:06 PM | #24905 | |
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Do we have to? Quote:
That's pretty cynical, Imran. Probably correct, but also cynical. Sigh. |
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02-09-2015, 06:17 PM | #24906 | |
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02-09-2015, 06:37 PM | #24907 | |
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I wonder about Alito. Thomas and Scalia will relish the opportunity to stand against change, but will Alito want to have a Quixotic stand against gay marriage as a big part of his legacy?
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02-10-2015, 12:36 PM | #24908 | |
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Don't know how much support Obama has and don't really understand the scope of his request. More details to come I'm sure.
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02-10-2015, 01:44 PM | #24909 | |
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Best scenario would be use of our planes and tech, while neighboring countries provide troops. Failure to do that I think just makes this yet another un-winnable American war on Islam. |
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02-10-2015, 03:56 PM | #24910 | |
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If you use planes or tech and you are killing people, you are already at war, though I'd argue that if anybody is at war with Islam, it's ISIS. Last edited by Dutch : 02-11-2015 at 06:21 AM. |
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02-11-2015, 08:41 AM | #24911 | ||
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Gah. I hate it when you post something with which I agree. Also: Quote:
That's probably the most astute thing that's been said in this thread for years.* Anyway, we need to first recognize that there are no good options. When we give machinery, weapons and air support to people, we run the real risk of a) them not being capable enough to win anyway and/or b) them eventually turning on us down the road. When we put troops on the ground, well, do we really need to rehash the last 13 years? Having said that, though, I'm more comfortable with the first option. We need to be helping only people who can help themselves, not imposing our strategy on a quasi-willing partner. Having said that, and back to Dutch's comment, ISIS represents an existential threat to Iraq and neighboring Islamic states. It does not represent an existential threat to the United States and probably not to Europe. This is a real opportunity to put pressure on those still-rich Arab/Islamic nations to take a real role in solving the problem themselves. *except for everything I say, of course. |
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02-11-2015, 09:30 AM | #24912 | |
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But if we don't do anything than Saudi Arabia might attack us again. I mean ummm er Iraq and Afghanistan! |
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02-16-2015, 01:12 PM | #24913 | |
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I guess no surprise on Bush but I have to read more on Walker.
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02-18-2015, 02:12 PM | #24914 | |
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Biden gonna Biden.
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02-18-2015, 05:07 PM | #24915 | |
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I think Obama said it well below but don't think what we call them will help them in their "desperate for legitimacy".
Many of the "terrorists" use their interpretations of Islam to justify what they do. I struggle with this but think I would lean towards calling them Islamic terrorists. http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/18/politi...mit/index.html Quote:
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02-18-2015, 07:41 PM | #24916 |
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I'm not struggling with it, it's terrorism, but I agree with Obama's interpretation. These poor people in the deserts of northern Iraq and Syria are getting brain washed by nothing more than a (masterfully planned) cult where support is based 100% on fear. It's simple math to them. Support it or die in a fire. Crazy shit.
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02-18-2015, 08:04 PM | #24917 | |
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This part of the quote also applies to Christians and Fox News viewers.
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02-18-2015, 08:14 PM | #24918 |
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02-18-2015, 08:33 PM | #24919 | ||
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I'm watching The Italian Americans on PBS, and they just covered this:
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It's not a new sentiment or approach, Marc. (And obviously pre-dates that.)
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02-21-2015, 05:58 AM | #24920 | |
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Gah! Stop saying things with which I agree! You're killing me here, Dutch! |
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02-21-2015, 06:59 AM | #24921 |
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02-21-2015, 07:51 AM | #24922 | |
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Glad there is going to be a showdown.
Wonder what Iran's role will be. I'm still not sure if Iraq likes/depends on us more than Iran etc. and if we are really getting a good view of that relationship based on western media. Obama should support the Peshmerga, they seem to be the only dependable ally. U.S. defense chief: Mosul assault should be launched at right time to succeed - CNN.com Quote:
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02-21-2015, 09:15 AM | #24923 | |
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Easier said than done. If we provide too much support for the Kurds that will piss off the Turks and the Turks are a much more important ally. It is fascinating that we're in a position where we need to cooperate with the Iranians. With the exception of Jordan, the Sunni states seem to either be sitting this out or covertly supporting radicals. Can't we just create a fully renewable energy grid so we can largely walk away from all this nonsense?
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02-22-2015, 09:42 AM | #24924 |
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Now the terrorists want to bomb American malls.
It's scary, but at the same time, this presser's got this weird "terrorism meets the Muppet Show" aura about it... |
02-22-2015, 10:06 AM | #24925 |
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02-22-2015, 10:15 AM | #24926 | |
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What do you mean "now"? I remember hearing warnings that malls might be targets when Bush was still in office. The idea of "soft" targets that we cannot defend as effectively as we (now) can airplanes is not a new one. |
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02-22-2015, 10:27 AM | #24927 | |
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Okay, Sack Attack, you got me...Islamic State Iraq & Syria (ISIS) circa 2015 terrorists. I assumed that was clear enough without restating it. |
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02-22-2015, 10:42 AM | #24928 |
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Yeah, but ISIS is supposed to be an offshoot of al Qaeda in Iraq, which itself was an offshoot of the main branch.
Thinking that their assumed goals changed just because their leadership did and they're only just now circling back around to them did seems unwise to me. Last edited by SackAttack : 02-22-2015 at 10:42 AM. |
02-22-2015, 01:10 PM | #24929 |
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Yep, just seems odd coming from a regular that keeps up with current affairs.
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02-22-2015, 01:55 PM | #24930 |
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For example, DHS just issued a warning...not because "It's always been a threat" but because of new explicit threats from ISIS.
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02-24-2015, 10:59 PM | #24931 | |
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Six years or so of administrative review is a long time. Suspect that Obama is playing the waiting game.
But does Keystone really matter anymore? it seems as if Fracking is more strategic (for all the good and bad) now. Obama rejects Keystone XL bill - CNN.com Quote:
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02-25-2015, 12:15 AM | #24932 | |
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If only republicans cared about big government taking property from Americans and giving it to foreign corporations. If only.
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02-25-2015, 12:39 AM | #24933 |
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Pipelines are a safer mode of transportation for oil than trains are. Are there issues with them? Sure, but they are better than trains.
What kills me with this, is we'll transport it by train, and then complain when one derails and spills it all over. |
02-25-2015, 06:38 AM | #24934 |
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I think it will eventually happen. This bill was about approving it outside of the normal review process. I bet either this happens in his last year through the normal review process, or it becomes a bargaining chip in some negotiation.
Of course I don't understand why anyone but the oil companies involved is in favor of this. Isn't this a plan to take a bunch of land through eminent domain so that foreign oil can be more easily shipped overseas?
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02-25-2015, 06:42 AM | #24935 | |
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We have a natural gas pipeline proposal here in PA that is causing a furor in our local communities. It's going to wind up about 2 to 5 miles from my home, in a residential area.
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02-25-2015, 07:25 AM | #24936 | |
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I was curious about this, and here's the first google hit I got: Pick Your Poison For Crude -- Pipeline, Rail, Truck Or Boat - Forbes |
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02-25-2015, 07:45 AM | #24937 |
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Another question.
Why can't the pipeline go to the Pacific in Canada? Is it regulations? The mountains? Lack of refining?
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02-25-2015, 07:46 AM | #24938 |
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Also, the job gains due to Keystone XL are, last time I looked, 1000 for short-term construction and about 30 permanent.
Additionally, Keystone XL makes the extraction and delivery of tar sands oil cheaper, which is great unless you care about the fact that it's also an environmental disaster of an extraction method. I'm perfectly OK with saying that oil needs to be more expensive, and its expensiveness needs to be a real catalyst to get people honestly thinking of being more sustainable (at the individual/micro level) to seriously looking at alternative fuels (at the macro level). Like we were kinda/sorta starting to do back when gas was almost $5/gallon. Keystone XL is going in the opposite direction. That's why I support this veto and hope Obama doesn't crumble on it later in his term. |
02-25-2015, 07:48 AM | #24939 |
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02-25-2015, 09:36 AM | #24940 |
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I think something that is far more telling about this veto is the fact that it's his first veto in five years and only his third in his presidency. That veto power should be used far more often over the course of seven years if the gov't is functioning as designed. I don't think it should be terribly surprising, but our gov't needs a major overhaul. This video isn't even correct anymore.
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02-25-2015, 09:52 AM | #24941 |
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When your party controls one or both houses for most of your presidency, you don't veto many things.
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02-25-2015, 09:53 AM | #24942 |
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Given the composition of the Congress, why should the veto have been used more often? Until January, at least one chamber of Congress has been controlled by the President's party and vetoable bills were stalled there.
Now there's a lot of problems with process IMO, but the number of vetos doesn't seem like a good measure of effectiveness. edit: or, What he said.
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Yeah, you're only going to see a lot of vetos when the other party has both houses, can deal with the filibuster in the Senate, and keeps sending the Oval Office partisan shit. Boehner's tried his best to make this happen, but the Democrats holding the Senate until this year have meant the flow of bills to the White House has slowed to a trickle.
I'd expect more vetos in the next couple of years, except that the GOP looks almost as excited to fight each other as they do the President, and the Democrats can still (for now) pull of a filibuster for the stuff they really don't like. Last edited by flere-imsaho : 02-25-2015 at 10:53 AM. |
02-25-2015, 10:56 AM | #24944 |
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Some media outlets are jumping all over Bill O'Reilly, apparently to deflect from the Brian William mess.
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02-25-2015, 12:21 PM | #24945 |
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I wouldn't say deflect from Brian Williams as he's suspended and very unlikely to get his anchor chair back. O'Reilly killed Williams over his lies, so what's good for the goose...
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02-25-2015, 01:04 PM | #24946 | |
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02-25-2015, 03:39 PM | #24947 |
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Good God. I guess this is what qualifies as leadership in our country.
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02-25-2015, 04:10 PM | #24948 |
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So broad-brushing is still alive and well?
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02-25-2015, 04:26 PM | #24949 |
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Do you really have to ask that? Especially in a politics thread?
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02-25-2015, 10:57 PM | #24950 | |
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Brian Williams admits that his story of coming under fire while in Iraq was false - The Washington Post The tone is night and day. |
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