02-12-2017, 07:53 PM | #2401 | |
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A decent try, but not what I was thinking of.
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02-12-2017, 07:54 PM | #2402 | |
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Similar situation when Democrats were polled on whether they believe Russia hacked the election. Not talking spreading information, but actually hacked machines. 50% or so said yes. My hope is we don't have that many stupid people on both sides but who knows. |
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02-12-2017, 07:56 PM | #2403 |
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bbgunn's post reminded me that I guess I should finish my thought.
I'm actually legit surprised that nobody hit on it fairly easily. I think the long game here is to get a call for a new Constitutional Convention and neuter the federal courts. It's not an original idea, it's a complete hail mary ... and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he managed to pull it off (in part because it isn't something that hasn't been discussed before).
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02-12-2017, 07:57 PM | #2404 |
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How about this, then (and this is scary as hell):
- EO gets blocked in the Supreme Court - USA gets hit by a terrorist attack - Trump and co. say, "Judges stopped us from doing anything. Our hands were tied." - With the support of the public, Congress severely weakens the judges' ability to counter EOs and presidential edicts - Trump and co. can rule as they see fit
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02-12-2017, 07:59 PM | #2405 | |
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02-12-2017, 09:02 PM | #2406 |
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02-13-2017, 06:39 AM | #2407 |
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Miller is the first one that Im not finding somewhat entertaining. His round this weekend was scary.
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02-13-2017, 06:52 AM | #2408 | |
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He and Spencer were friends at Duke.
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02-13-2017, 08:35 PM | #2409 |
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Michael Flynn has to go, right? He's already admitted to lying to Pence. He's been compromised by Russia. They can't just sweep this one under the rug.
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02-13-2017, 08:41 PM | #2410 |
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02-13-2017, 09:14 PM | #2412 |
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In my book, Flynn's error may not even crack the top 10 or even top 20 on the list of dumb things done by President Stupid and his band of idiots*
*so far
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02-13-2017, 10:18 PM | #2413 |
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He gone
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02-13-2017, 10:22 PM | #2414 |
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He resignamundo!
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02-13-2017, 10:28 PM | #2415 | |
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Incidently yes they can, really. They've been sweeping things under the rug forever. The attitude of "what are you gonna do about it?" had been around for awhile now . Really surprised at the result actually. |
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02-13-2017, 11:01 PM | #2416 |
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Surprised as well. Flynn likely has more actual real-world value than Pence, so it's a shame to lose a useful guy but ... oh well.
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02-13-2017, 11:11 PM | #2417 |
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He and his son have more time to get to the bottom of PizzaGate now.
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02-13-2017, 11:12 PM | #2418 | |
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02-13-2017, 11:21 PM | #2419 |
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There's no real world value to a guy who was fired for incompetence and is clearly in cahoots with a known enemy. The fact that he's shown that he'll ignore factual information in favor of conspiracy theories would have been enough for a real president to not consider him for any position. He's also pretty clearly unqualified for the level of clearance he was going to have.
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What real world value did he have?
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02-13-2017, 11:34 PM | #2421 |
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02-14-2017, 06:05 AM | #2422 |
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02-14-2017, 07:19 AM | #2423 | |
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I could have written this article myself. It's pretty much a bulls-eye for where I stand (though I'm having a hard time working on the part about showing respect. I probably should focus on the office, not who holds it.)
Especially this part (I think I've written something very similar in my blog, actually.) Quote:
https://scottsauls.com/2017/02/13/na...rity-refugees/
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02-14-2017, 07:28 AM | #2424 |
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That's a great post, Ben. Thanks for sharing it.
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02-14-2017, 10:53 AM | #2426 |
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So the Republicans are more worried about leaks than the continued ties to Russia? Great pivot.
Trump, GOP lawmakers eye 'illegal' leaks in wake of Flynn resignation | Fox News |
02-14-2017, 10:59 AM | #2427 |
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I'm pretty intrigued by the 'first lady' role in this presidency and who's really playing it. While Melania is obviously the true first lady, it really seems like Ivanka is the one pulling far more strings in the White House. She's making a ton of social media posts where she's in photos with her father and other cabinet and world leaders. At a minimum, he's definitely pushing her to the forefront with Melania playing the 'wifely duties' role thus far.
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02-14-2017, 12:25 PM | #2429 |
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Inclined to think this presidency may not make it to Christmas at this rate and maybe sooner than that.
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02-14-2017, 12:27 PM | #2430 | |
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02-14-2017, 12:33 PM | #2431 | |
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Let me start by saying I think by far the most likely outcome is that Trump stays president through the 208 elections. But, if the GOP is thinking about a way to get rid of him, the sooner the better I would think. Not only does damage from his WH continue, but any impeachment is going to take time to heal. As things get closer to the 2018 election I think it's less likely an impeachment, for almost any reason, will occur. The optimal outcome would be a Trump resignation, but that seems highly unlikely. Regardless, I think Pence is the most dangerous man in Washington. He has no real loyalty to Trump, can't be fired, and gets all the spoils if Trump goes away.
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02-14-2017, 12:41 PM | #2432 |
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They can't get rid of him because he is their base these days. There is a reason guys like Ryan are bending the knee.
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02-14-2017, 01:13 PM | #2433 |
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The most disturbing part about Flynn is he had access to the highest levels of classified info for at least a month. Who knows how much damage that has done.
The resignation does seem to have spooked Russia quite a bit. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/russi...-of-flynn.html Seen a lot of candidates thrown around. Surprised Patraeus is one of them. I actually think this would be a great spot for him but it's kind of tough to put a felon in that position. Especially one who violated the UCMJ. And while I'm not a huge fan of Bolton, I would feel comfortable with him in that position as well. He is experienced in that field and would not bow to Russia. |
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My initial reaction is Ivanka 2020 is totally going to be a thing. And there's no way Trump leaves office at the bequest of Republicans, as much as everyone would like to think.
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02-14-2017, 01:34 PM | #2435 |
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Well, so far today the WH has reversed course and said that Flynn was fired and they expect Russia to give Crimea back. I wonder what their story will be tomorrow?
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02-14-2017, 01:35 PM | #2436 | |
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02-14-2017, 02:17 PM | #2438 | |
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To be fair, hypocrisy aside, at least now they are hopefully taking leaks serious and not being so buddy buddy anymore with Russia. We might still think Trump and his cronies are turds, but any move toward being more skeptical about Russia and its intents is a better one for the country.
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Apparently Trump knew for a few weeks that Flynn had talked to the Russians:
Log In - New York Times I guess his real crime was getting caught in the lie?
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There is simply no end to the lying.
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02-14-2017, 03:10 PM | #2442 | |
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Seems more like incompetence than lying. Neither of which shocks me. This administration will lie about many things. I don't think there is a need to attribute lying where mere incompetence is likely.
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I'd attribute citing "non-existant provisions of law" as more than just incompetence. If you're making it up, it's lying. |
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02-14-2017, 03:41 PM | #2444 | |
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I disagree. With this crew, I think it's entirely possible someone winged it and didn't properly check references before putting it out there. That's incompetence, not lying. And completely in keeping with how Trump's people seem to do things. Then a career staffer who knows what he's doing got a hold of it and corrected it for the Federal Register.
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And as soon as he found out he waited three weeks and then fired him. It was the quickest resolution in history. Period.
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Principled Rand Paul speaks:
"I just don't think it's useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We'll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we're spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense."
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I'm pleased that Republicans are taking principled stands on things like frivolous investigations of political rivals and stonewalling SCOTUS nominees.
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Trump Advisor Stephen Miller: "The Powers of the President will not be questioned!" - YouTube
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