2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 47

BishopMVP · 06-19-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

They are still constantly used as an example, though. If you can win a championship as often as BOS (and almost as often as NYY) for a much lower price tag over the course of 10 years, how can you blame them?

I feel like I've argued this same thing 6 times at FOFC by now, but it really says something that 2 of the 3 examples that come to mind when people discuss the need for a salary cap have been 2 of the most successful franchises in the game over the past decade (and another, Tampa Bay, just made the WS.)

KC has been in the weakest division for the past decade and struggled not because of revenues or spending, but because of poor management and bad luck, which may be changing.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-19-2009, 11:34 AM

This salary floor thing is not going to happen if the floor is enacted to be similar to the NFLs which I would assume would be used by the union as a guide. The NFL floor is 87.6% of the cap. If MLB were to make the cap $130M, the floor would be $114M. That's not going to happen.

molson · 06-19-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

This salary floor thing is not going to happen if the floor is enacted to be similar to the NFLs which I would assume would be used by the union as a guide. The NFL floor is 87.6% of the cap. If MLB were to make the cap $130M, the floor would be $114M. That's not going to happen.

That's more likely than a cap being anywhere lower than $130M.

I don't see how you can do a cap/floor in MLB without relocating/contracting teams. There's just too much revenue difference for it to be meaningful. And the union isn't going to (and shouldn't) leave hundreds of millions on the table by taking away the checkbook of the big market teams to any real degree by imposing a restrictive cap.

The owners have made headway in revenue sharing though - that's the most realistic place to continue making progress.

Big Fo · 06-19-2009, 01:13 PM

If a cap were set at $130m or so it'd basically be an anti-Yankees thing which feels kind of wrong even though I don't like that team. The Mets and Cubs are around $135m and everyone else is at $120m and below.

$25m per year in revenue sharing is a lot of money for the smaller clubs as it as, but if the perception remains that competitive balance is an issue they could always increase it. I just don't trust all of the owners to put that money towards the amateur draft, free agents, international scouting, etc.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-19-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

$25m per year in revenue sharing is a lot of money for the smaller clubs as it as, but if the perception remains that competitive balance is an issue they could always increase it. I just don't trust all of the owners to put that money towards the amateur draft, free agents, international scouting, etc.

This is an outdated argument (owners pocketing revenue sharing money). There were some additional rules instituted in the latest agreement due to those concerns that keep owners from just stuffing all the money in their pocket. I remember David Glass specifically talking about how other owners that were doing that were hurting the revenue sharing argument, so most of the small market teams now face penalties or a reduction in revenue sharing if they don't use it.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-19-2009, 02:12 PM

Marco Scutaro steals second after a walk.

Big Fo · 06-19-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

This is an outdated argument (owners pocketing revenue sharing money). There were some additional rules instituted in the latest agreement due to those concerns that keep owners from just stuffing all the money in their pocket. I remember David Glass specifically talking about how other owners that were doing that were hurting the revenue sharing argument, so most of the small market teams now face penalties or a reduction in revenue sharing if they don't use it.

Glad they fixed the problem then.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-19-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Glad they fixed the problem then.

Well, I don't know it it's fixed per se, but the big market teams refused to buy into it without some assurance that they wouldn't just pocket the money. Righfully so.

DaddyTorgo · 06-20-2009, 07:53 PM

Classy move by the fans at Fenway tonight as D-Lowe walked off the mound just now, giving him a standing ovation in memory of 2004, and he tipped his cap and acknowledged them. Love it.

Philliesfan980 · 06-20-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Classy move by the fans at Fenway tonight as D-Lowe walked off the mound just now, giving him a standing ovation in memory of 2004, and he tipped his cap and acknowledged them. Love it.

A lot easier to do that when you're up 3-0, but still nice nonetheless.

DaddyTorgo · 06-20-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

A lot easier to do that when you're up 3-0, but still nice nonetheless.

he got one at the beginning of the game too apparently, but i was eating dinner so i missed it

miami_fan · 06-20-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

he got one at the beginning of the game too apparently, but i was eating dinner so i missed it

He got standing ovations when he went to the bullpen to warm up and went he went to the mound in the first inning. Definitely a classy move.....as much as it pains me to give Boston fans any credit for anything

JPhillips · 06-20-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I feel like I've argued this same thing 6 times at FOFC by now, but it really says something that 2 of the 3 examples that come to mind when people discuss the need for a salary cap have been 2 of the most successful franchises in the game over the past decade (and another, Tampa Bay, just made the WS.)

KC has been in the weakest division for the past decade and struggled not because of revenues or spending, but because of poor management and bad luck, which may be changing.

Baseball's revenue structure doesn't make it impossible for small market teams to compete, just far more difficult. The last time I looked it was something like two thirds of the playoff teams over the past few years were in the top third of payrolls. Having a higher payroll gives you a better chance to make the playoffs.

stevew · 06-20-2009, 09:56 PM

I'm at borderline man love status in regards to Andrew McCutchen.

Triple number 4 in 3 weeks. Plus s highlight reel catch in center.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-20-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Having a higher payroll gives you a better chance to make the playoffs.

But doesn't that make a good bit of sense? I mean, better players tend to make more money & better players (in theory) tend to improve your chance to make the playoffs. But that bit of "duh" isn't why I posted.

Instead, I was wondering if anyone had ever broken out the numbers for teams who make the playoffs for the first time in a few years & where those teams were in the salary structure at that point. What I'm wondering about is how the escalation of salaries after players have success and their teams reach the playoffs in multiple seasons affects a stat like salary rank of teams in the playoffs. Think Braves at the beginning of their post-season streak with young & lower paid Smoltz & Glavine vs years later when they were pulling down a lot more money.

stevew · 06-20-2009, 10:43 PM

This is why I don't watch a ton on baseball-
Jim Tracy brings out the pitcher from last inning to throw the warmup tosses between innings.
Then goes to his closer, who I guess was "not ready"

So we go back for 2 more minutes of commercials.

stevew · 06-20-2009, 10:48 PM

Also Huston Street can apparently go to the mouth between every pitch. I thought that was supposed to be a ball?

kingfc22 · 06-20-2009, 11:18 PM

Another good outing by Cain. Too bad the Giants have also only scored one run through 10 innings.

samifan24 · 06-20-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I'm at borderline man love status in regards to Andrew McCutchen.

Triple number 4 in 3 weeks. Plus s highlight reel catch in center.

Andrew McCutchen is the man. I think he'll give Colby Rasmus and Tommy Hanson a serious run for NL RoY.

SackAttack · 06-21-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Also Huston Street can apparently go to the mouth between every pitch. I thought that was supposed to be a ball?

If I recall the rule, if he goes to his mouth while on the rubber, it's a ball.

Off the rubber has a little leeway I believe.

stevew · 06-21-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

If I recall the rule, if he goes to his mouth while on the rubber, it's a ball.

Off the rubber has a little leeway I believe.

Ah, i was thinking that. Regardless it's semantics, it's not like spit dries up in that extra 3 seconds.

ISiddiqui · 06-21-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Marco Scutaro steals second after a walk.

That's freaking awesome.

DaddyTorgo · 06-21-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

That's freaking awesome.

fantom1979 · 06-21-2009, 03:19 PM

I did that once in high school. I cant believe it happened in a major league game.

MizzouRah · 06-21-2009, 06:00 PM

Pujols is a freaking MONSTER.. A GS, solo HR, single, and a double today. He loves KC.

sterlingice · 06-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Specifically our pitching staff. Tho if he'd like to come play for the Royals, we'd welcome him with open arms

SI

MizzouRah · 06-21-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Specifically our pitching staff. Tho if he'd like to come play for the Royals, we'd welcome him with open arms

SI

Hey, the Royals passed on him.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-22-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Pujols is a freaking MONSTER.. A GS, solo HR, single, and a double today. He loves KC.

I was at the game yesterday. That grand slam by Pujols was an absolute bomb. Even most of the Royals fans stood up to admire that one. I don't know if they had an official measurement on it, but it definitely rivaled the longest homer hit in that stadium. If it was short of the record, it was only by 10-15 feet.

Oh, and it was HOT! Thankfully, we found some shade, but heat index of 110 is pretty brutal.

lordscarlet · 06-22-2009, 08:20 AM

The Nationals take TWO SERIES in a row and are 4-2 in this interleague stretch against the AL East. BRING ON BOSTON! I'll be at all three games.

sterlingice · 06-22-2009, 08:47 AM

I notice that in the wins, the Nats have had this thing, what's it called again? Oh, yeah: pitching.

Boy, I remember what it was like for the Royals to have that- it was something like 2 months ago (actually, last week it was good but in the last 5, we've given up 12, 12, 10, 7, 12 and lost all by 5+ runs)

SI

DaddyTorgo · 06-22-2009, 08:50 AM

I hate interleague play. Makes the All Star game and the World Series less special.

lordscarlet · 06-22-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I notice that in the wins, the Nats have had this thing, what's it called again? Oh, yeah: pitching.

Boy, I remember what it was like for the Royals to have that- it was something like 2 months ago (actually, last week it was good but in the last 5, we've given up 12, 12, 10, 7, 12 and lost all by 5+ runs)

SI

I would say it was much more about defense than pitching. Part of that is the "non-error" errors that have been prevelant. Even without high error numbers (which the Nationals hav ethe highest in the league) the poor defense accounts for more men on base than the number suggests. Acta went for a weaker offense and stronger defense during those games and it paid off.

The bullpen has been better, though. I don't think you can discoutn the effect of having trust in the guys behind you, though.

lordscarlet · 06-22-2009, 09:48 AM

Dola: the Nats had 4 wins in 22 games before the 4 game streak.

Atocep · 06-22-2009, 02:08 PM

Donald Fehr is reportedly stepping down as head of the MLBPA. Wonder if this is voluntary.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-22-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Donald Fehr is reportedly stepping down as head of the MLBPA. Wonder if this is voluntary.

Hmmmmmm.......wonder who they'll look at to replace him?

Ksyrup · 06-22-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Marco Scutaro steals second after a walk.

This is basically what my daughter's softball games look like after almost every at bat.

Atocep · 06-22-2009, 02:15 PM

ESPN has the story:

Source: Donald Fehr leaving as MLB union head - ESPN

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Don Fehr is stepping down as executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, a position he's held since the mid-1980s, a source tells ESPN.
Fehr will be replaced by general counsel Michael Weiner, pending board approval, the source said. An announcement is expected to be made later on Monday afternoon.
Fehr, who will turn 61 in July, was voted in to lead the players' union in December 1985.

Ksyrup · 06-22-2009, 02:17 PM

Wow. I'm sure they'll sugar-coat it, but the timing can't just be coincidental.

sterlingice · 06-22-2009, 02:18 PM

Ok, that's from out in left field and just plain weird. Any reason given?

SI

sterlingice · 06-22-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Wow. I'm sure they'll sugar-coat it, but the timing can't just be coincidental.

Well, what is the timing coincidental with?

SI

Ksyrup · 06-22-2009, 02:23 PM

All the shit the players are no doubt giving him and Orza over the fact that the "anonymous" drug tests from 2003 weren't (a) anonymous and (b) destroyed. Not to mention the increasing shit they are taking from the media about dragging their feet on drug testing over the past decade and protecting drug users at the expense of the clean players' good names (as the Ibanez flare-up showed). Seems to me a lot of this came to a head with the ARod and Sosa leaks.

sterlingice · 06-22-2009, 02:39 PM

Oh, I agree. I was just surprised it took until now to happen. I didn't see a significant event that precipitated it. More of a lifetime achievement award which is kindof a discourteous send off for a man who every player should be on their knees paying respect to right now.

Personally, I never liked Fehr and good riddance. But if they just replaced him with a general counsel- they just replaced one weaselly lawyer with another.

SI

DeToxRox · 06-22-2009, 03:20 PM

So about 70 games into the season, and I still have no idea what to make of the Tigers. They're being anchored by three pitchers. One, Verlander, seems to have put it together finally. Another, Jackson, is defying expectations but there is still the impending doom an implosion is around the corner, and the other, Porcello, is a 20 year old rookie who will probably hit a wall soon.

After that it's Galarraga who has lost all ability to throw a pitch with anything resembling movement, another rookie Figaro who only has had one start, Dontrelle Willis who's back on the DL with anxiety, Bonderman who is back on the DL till at least September, and then not much.

The pen is somewhat decent but still filled with guys who are as likely to K the side as they are to give up 3 runs when they come in. Lively arms, but not very consistent.

On the offensive side of things, Guillen might be done all year. Magglio is either not the age on his birth certificate, forgot how to hit or off of the juice, Polanco is hitting better but is getting older, and we still have Adam Everett and Gerald Laird who are what they are.

Thankfully, Brandon Inge has actually play incredibly well at the dish, but how long can that last? The skeptic in me says the wheels could fall off. Granderson is hitting for power but he needs to get on base more, and Miggy is still great and rounding into form. I expect he'll blow up the next half of the season and get near 35 - 40 HR and 115 - 120 RBI.

With all that said, the AL Central is pretty pathetic. KC has fallen off the map. Cleveland is doing the same. The White Sox could be sellers soon but the Twins are always lurking.

Detroit can win the Central and if their 3 starters perform, they have a shot to even do a little post season damage. Yet in the same breath they could end up just at or below .500 because nothing is known with them.

At this point I'd hope they try and take a feeler on Ben Sheets. A one year deal with incentives that can trigger an option or something. If it doesn't work, oh well, but we need to solidify the pitching.

The hitting, well it is what it is. We don't have a lot of prospects who we can trade to get a bat, so unless we go after a guy like Spillbough, and he isn't much of an upgrade, I think our offense is what it is. The best hope is Magglio turns it on.

Anyway, I just needed to empty my Tigs thoughts on an off day and go from there.

Ksyrup · 06-22-2009, 03:27 PM

Tigers are paying over $41M this year alone to Bonderman, Willis, and Ordonez. Ouch.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-22-2009, 03:30 PM

Plus Ordonez has an 18M option that could very realistically kick in for next year.

sterlingice · 06-22-2009, 03:34 PM

Haven't they essentially benched Magglio because he's not hitting well and so his option doesn't vest?

SI

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-22-2009, 03:37 PM

If he gets 300 PAs more it vests. It's going to be a tough situation either way.

MizzouRah · 06-22-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I was at the game yesterday. That grand slam by Pujols was an absolute bomb. Even most of the Royals fans stood up to admire that one. I don't know if they had an official measurement on it, but it definitely rivaled the longest homer hit in that stadium. If it was short of the record, it was only by 10-15 feet.

Oh, and it was HOT! Thankfully, we found some shade, but heat index of 110 is pretty brutal.

Yeah.. mother nature just decided to skip summer for us this year.

I was trying to get up there for a game this weekend.. would have loved to been at that game.

I'll be in Columbia from Thursday - Sunday for Mizzou soccer camp if you'll be around.

DeToxRox · 06-22-2009, 05:12 PM

The Magglio situation will be ugly if he doesn't pick it up. That said if he continues to struggle it's a great out for the Tigs. He only has 11 XBH this season. Had Papi not been so terrible Magglio would be under the gun even more but he had the luxury of a slumping Papi.

Now if Magglio gets better but the Tigs go down hill, I bet they try and cut bait then but that'll get VERY ugly.

Atocep · 06-22-2009, 05:24 PM

Beltran to the DL. One of the Mets fans here is going to get called up by the end of the season. This is beyond ridiculous.

06-19-2009, 11:34 AM	#2302
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	This salary floor thing is not going to happen if the floor is enacted to be similar to the NFLs which I would assume would be used by the union as a guide. The NFL floor is 87.6% of the cap. If MLB were to make the cap $130M, the floor would be $114M. That's not going to happen. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-19-2009, 02:12 PM	#2306
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Marco Scutaro steals second after a walk. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-20-2009, 07:53 PM	#2309
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Classy move by the fans at Fenway tonight as D-Lowe walked off the mound just now, giving him a standing ovation in memory of 2004, and he tipped his cap and acknowledged them. Love it. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

06-20-2009, 11:18 PM	#2318
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Another good outing by Cain. Too bad the Giants have also only scored one run through 10 innings. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-21-2009, 08:17 PM	#2326
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Specifically our pitching staff. Tho if he'd like to come play for the Royals, we'd welcome him with open arms SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-19-2009, 01:13 PM	#2304
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	If a cap were set at $130m or so it'd basically be an anti-Yankees thing which feels kind of wrong even though I don't like that team. The Mets and Cubs are around $135m and everyone else is at $120m and below. $25m per year in revenue sharing is a lot of money for the smaller clubs as it as, but if the perception remains that competitive balance is an issue they could always increase it. I just don't trust all of the owners to put that money towards the amateur draft, free agents, international scouting, etc.

06-20-2009, 09:56 PM	#2314
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm at borderline man love status in regards to Andrew McCutchen. Triple number 4 in 3 weeks. Plus s highlight reel catch in center.

06-20-2009, 10:43 PM	#2316
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This is why I don't watch a ton on baseball- Jim Tracy brings out the pitcher from last inning to throw the warmup tosses between innings. Then goes to his closer, who I guess was "not ready" So we go back for 2 more minutes of commercials.

06-20-2009, 10:48 PM	#2317
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Also Huston Street can apparently go to the mouth between every pitch. I thought that was supposed to be a ball?

06-21-2009, 03:19 PM	#2324
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	I did that once in high school. I cant believe it happened in a major league game.

06-21-2009, 06:00 PM	#2325
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Pujols is a freaking MONSTER.. A GS, solo HR, single, and a double today. He loves KC.

06-22-2009, 08:20 AM	#2329
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	The Nationals take TWO SERIES in a row and are 4-2 in this interleague stretch against the AL East. BRING ON BOSTON! I'll be at all three games. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

06-22-2009, 08:47 AM	#2330
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I notice that in the wins, the Nats have had this thing, what's it called again? Oh, yeah: pitching. Boy, I remember what it was like for the Royals to have that- it was something like 2 months ago (actually, last week it was good but in the last 5, we've given up 12, 12, 10, 7, 12 and lost all by 5+ runs) SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 06-22-2009 at 08:48 AM.

06-22-2009, 08:50 AM	#2331
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I hate interleague play. Makes the All Star game and the World Series less special. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

06-22-2009, 09:48 AM	#2333
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Dola: the Nats had 4 wins in 22 games before the 4 game streak. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

06-22-2009, 02:08 PM	#2334
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Donald Fehr is reportedly stepping down as head of the MLBPA. Wonder if this is voluntary.

06-22-2009, 02:17 PM	#2338
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Wow. I'm sure they'll sugar-coat it, but the timing can't just be coincidental. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-22-2009, 02:18 PM	#2339
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ok, that's from out in left field and just plain weird. Any reason given? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-22-2009, 02:23 PM	#2341
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	All the shit the players are no doubt giving him and Orza over the fact that the "anonymous" drug tests from 2003 weren't (a) anonymous and (b) destroyed. Not to mention the increasing shit they are taking from the media about dragging their feet on drug testing over the past decade and protecting drug users at the expense of the clean players' good names (as the Ibanez flare-up showed). Seems to me a lot of this came to a head with the ARod and Sosa leaks. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-22-2009, 02:39 PM	#2342
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Oh, I agree. I was just surprised it took until now to happen. I didn't see a significant event that precipitated it. More of a lifetime achievement award which is kindof a discourteous send off for a man who every player should be on their knees paying respect to right now. Personally, I never liked Fehr and good riddance. But if they just replaced him with a general counsel- they just replaced one weaselly lawyer with another. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-22-2009, 03:20 PM	#2343
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	So about 70 games into the season, and I still have no idea what to make of the Tigers. They're being anchored by three pitchers. One, Verlander, seems to have put it together finally. Another, Jackson, is defying expectations but there is still the impending doom an implosion is around the corner, and the other, Porcello, is a 20 year old rookie who will probably hit a wall soon. After that it's Galarraga who has lost all ability to throw a pitch with anything resembling movement, another rookie Figaro who only has had one start, Dontrelle Willis who's back on the DL with anxiety, Bonderman who is back on the DL till at least September, and then not much. The pen is somewhat decent but still filled with guys who are as likely to K the side as they are to give up 3 runs when they come in. Lively arms, but not very consistent. On the offensive side of things, Guillen might be done all year. Magglio is either not the age on his birth certificate, forgot how to hit or off of the juice, Polanco is hitting better but is getting older, and we still have Adam Everett and Gerald Laird who are what they are. Thankfully, Brandon Inge has actually play incredibly well at the dish, but how long can that last? The skeptic in me says the wheels could fall off. Granderson is hitting for power but he needs to get on base more, and Miggy is still great and rounding into form. I expect he'll blow up the next half of the season and get near 35 - 40 HR and 115 - 120 RBI. With all that said, the AL Central is pretty pathetic. KC has fallen off the map. Cleveland is doing the same. The White Sox could be sellers soon but the Twins are always lurking. Detroit can win the Central and if their 3 starters perform, they have a shot to even do a little post season damage. Yet in the same breath they could end up just at or below .500 because nothing is known with them. At this point I'd hope they try and take a feeler on Ben Sheets. A one year deal with incentives that can trigger an option or something. If it doesn't work, oh well, but we need to solidify the pitching. The hitting, well it is what it is. We don't have a lot of prospects who we can trade to get a bat, so unless we go after a guy like Spillbough, and he isn't much of an upgrade, I think our offense is what it is. The best hope is Magglio turns it on. Anyway, I just needed to empty my Tigs thoughts on an off day and go from there.

06-22-2009, 03:27 PM	#2344
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Tigers are paying over $41M this year alone to Bonderman, Willis, and Ordonez. Ouch. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-22-2009, 03:30 PM	#2345
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Plus Ordonez has an 18M option that could very realistically kick in for next year. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-22-2009, 03:34 PM	#2346
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Haven't they essentially benched Magglio because he's not hitting well and so his option doesn't vest? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-22-2009, 03:37 PM	#2347
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	If he gets 300 PAs more it vests. It's going to be a tough situation either way. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-22-2009, 05:12 PM	#2349
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	The Magglio situation will be ugly if he doesn't pick it up. That said if he continues to struggle it's a great out for the Tigs. He only has 11 XBH this season. Had Papi not been so terrible Magglio would be under the gun even more but he had the luxury of a slumping Papi. Now if Magglio gets better but the Tigs go down hill, I bet they try and cut bait then but that'll get VERY ugly.

06-22-2009, 05:24 PM	#2350
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Beltran to the DL. One of the Mets fans here is going to get called up by the end of the season. This is beyond ridiculous.

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