Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

This does cast a rather bad light on you swaggs...and myself, granted, but stuff didnt add up(just like when you guys lynched me). I guess its swaggs tomorrow, though GE's reveal today sounds like total BS after what Fozzie was hinting at...

Considering Grey cleared GE, I'm willing to let him walk until we are out of other options.

At some point we are going to need to talk about who brought you back. I'm willing to believe that your heart was in the right place today with your railroad of Grey, but having the proper person speaking up for you wouldn't hurt. I believe that the person that brought you back is probably one of the few in the untrusted list, so this might bring that person over to the trusted side.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Considering Grey cleared GE, I'm willing to let him walk until we are out of other options.

At some point we are going to need to talk about who brought you back. I'm willing to believe that your heart was in the right place today with your railroad of Grey, but having the proper person speaking up for you wouldn't hurt. I believe that the person that brought you back is probably one of the few in the untrusted list, so this might bring that person over to the trusted side.

My guess is that it was Chief Rum. He is the only one who hasn't checked in since this morning (since he had a double work shift) and I don't see any good reason why the person would not claim it to clear Blade and, potentially, himself.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

My guess is that it was Chief Rum. He is the only one who hasn't checked in since this morning (since he had a double work shift) and I don't see any good reason why the person would not claim it to clear Blade and, potentially, himself.

He is one of the 3 or 4 that I find most likely.

[GoldenEagle]

I did not do anything last night, saldana. I sat in my quaters. I did have a couple of vistors, but other than that, that's it. Nothing special.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I did not do anything last night, saldana. I sat in my quaters. I did have a couple of vistors, but other than that, that's it. Nothing special.

who?

[kingfc22]

Damn we suck this game.

Good guys: Brian, saldna (mutant), GE (very unhelpful considering his role), king

Uncertain group:
Chief Rum (probably raised blade, likely good)
Blade (is he still on the side of the emperor)
Swaggs (mustang and GE say chaos, he claims vampire role)
St. Cronin (if his role is SO important, why isn't he dead yet?)

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Damn we suck this game.

Good guys: Brian, saldna (mutant), GE (very unhelpful considering his role), king

Uncertain group:
Chief Rum (probably raised blade, likely good)
Blade (is he still on the side of the emperor)
Swaggs (mustang and GE say chaos, he claims vampire role)
St. Cronin (if his role is SO important, why isn't he dead yet?)

I've got Fouts on the good-guy list, though I can see why the Chaos haven't killed him yet.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I've got Fouts on the good-guy list, though I can see why the Chaos haven't killed him yet.

Aww thanks. Knew I was missing someone.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I've got Fouts on the good-guy list, though I can see why the Chaos haven't killed him yet.

Why kill him? He was the tie breaker on me and then he voted from Grey. Even if he is good, he is more valuable to Chaos right now by making all the wrong decisions.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Why kill him? He was the tie breaker on me and then he voted from Grey. Even if he is good, he is more valuable to Chaos right now by making all the wrong decisions.

Yes, that would be why I said I can see why he hasn't been killed yet.

[BrianD]

dola,

He is doing their work for them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

dola,

He is doing their work for them.

Has fouts been scanned yet? If not, he might be doing his own work...i dont know, i still dont know all of who scanned who

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Has fouts been scanned yet? If not, he might be doing his own work...i dont know, i still dont know all of who scanned who

No one has scanned me.

Well, except Alan T, according to GE.

[Swaggs]

In fact, I cannot understand why no one scanned me last night after all the accusations.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Yes, that would be why I said I can see why he hasn't been killed yet.

By fault, misread that.

[Mustang]

oops..

MY fault..

[GoldenEagle]

Fouts is being a chaos team player. Everyone of his decisions has been wrong right now.

He is good though.

[Blade6119]

he was here, and didnt, so for the purposes of good:

Chief Rum cloned me

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

he was here, and didnt, so for the purposes of good:

Chief Rum cloned me

Heh, heh, I hadn't decided how to write it out yet.

Yes, I was the one who cloned Blade. This is a one-time, private role I had from the very beginning of the game. It takes three uninterrupted nights to achieve this, and fortunately, I managed to survive long enough and not get attacked by Chaos during this process.

It appears I have developed this process after years of research aimed at improving the skills of my men, who are already genetically-enhanced super soldiers.

I chose Blade, because he was proven to be good and to have a valuable role against Chaos, as the bodyguard. I felt bringing him back would be a valuable tool for us to finally finish off the Chaos scourge in our midst.

I was given no indication that Blade is anything but an exact clone of who he once was. As such, he should still be good and loyal to the emperor, and have his full bodyguard abilities.

I also knew bringing Blade back would be risky, because his strong opinions might lead us down the wrong path. Alas, this came to fruition immediately, as he was key in getting grey lynched, a move I would not have supported.

I still feel the benefit of having another good villager with bodyguard powers outweighs Blade's sometimes misguided opinions (if earnestly and honestly held). I welcome him back to the game.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heh, heh, I hadn't decided how to write it out yet.

Yes, I was the one who cloned Blade. This is a one-time, private role I had from the very beginning of the game. It takes three uninterrupted nights to achieve this, and fortunately, I managed to survive long enough and not get attacked by Chaos during this process.

It appears I have developed this process after years of research aimed at improving the skills of my men, who are already genetically-enhanced super soldiers.

I chose Blade, because he was proven to be good and to have a valuable role against Chaos, as the bodyguard. I felt bringing him back would be a valuable tool for us to finally finish off the Chaos scourge in our midst.

I was given no indication that Blade is anything but an exact clone of who he once was. As such, he should still be good and loyal to the emperor, and have his full bodyguard abilities.

I also knew bringing Blade back would be risky, because his strong opinions might lead us down the wrong path. Alas, this came to fruition immediately, as he was key in getting grey lynched, a move I would not have supported.

I still feel the benefit of having another good villager with bodyguard powers outweighs Blade's sometimes misguided opinions (if earnestly and honestly held). I welcome him back to the game.

Well that leaves Swaggs and Cronin.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Well that leaves Swaggs and Cronin.

Then if everyone is telling the truth, wouldnt it be better to kill cronin and prevent a ratio win when when we have to double kill swaggs, as its possible if he has to double lynch(chaos lord?) then they can win while we do it. Brainstorming

[Fouts]

Well, got it wrong again. What can I say? When you lie it comes back to haunt you (Grey's description of visiting GE). Why didn't Grey try to convert Swaggs?

I guess it must be Swaggs then. I'm shocked we only found 1 chaos with 3 seers. Pitiful.

BTW, Grey visited me last night and he reported what happened, so I won't repeat it. Just look at what he said.

I realize I have made some wrong assumptions, but I can only guess by how you people post and what information you choose to give me. Hold your info close to your vest and act weird, then I'm going to suspect you.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Fouts is being a chaos team player. Everyone of his decisions has been wrong right now.

He is good though.

Not true;

Day 1 - pushed for bullet over realdeal (right, but both villagers)
Day 2 - blade over saldana (wrong, but saldana misled me)
Day 3 - Anxiety (right, easy with 23's info)
Day 4 - bullet over st.cronin (wrong, but st.cronin was on my trust list)
Day 5 - Mustang (wrong? - Tangle won't tell us)
Day 6 - Grey (wrong, blade convinced me)

See, only mostly wrong. My saving grace is that, most of the time, I am deliberately being misled. People won't give up the info. Shame on them.

How does GE know I'm good? If he knows stuff, why doesn't he tell us?

[st.cronin]

You people are, as Blade would say, idiots. Blade might be good, but grey never made any sense as a suspect. Can we please lynch Swaggs? There is no reason not to take Mustang at his word.

[Chief Rum]

I am leaving for the day again, although this time, I will be back shortly before the deadline to get my vote in. Hopefully we will find a Chaos today.

[tanglewood]

Again the council convenes in the morning to find itself down a member, this time it appears to be st.cronin who has suffered. He is completely disembowelled, still lying on his bed in his quarters. Your thoughts immediately turn to the Emperor's Golden Throne. It seems to be operating well enough at present, but for how much longer that will be who can say? Have the Chaos struck a terminal blow?

Day 7 ends 9PM EST

[st.cronin]

Well, good luck guys.

[Fouts]

vote swaggs

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

vote swaggs

Thank you.

Vote Swaggs

[Blade6119]

Interesting night kill. Either swaggs is desperate to win, or its not swaggs. Killing st. cronin is very interesting though...leaves only him as a target, which reminds me of last game.

[Swaggs]

Man, I have been trying to be helpful, have voted for two (in my opinion) evil players in Anxiety and Mustang, and have cleared two players that are verified as loyal (Alan and Fouts), and you guys are still coming after me?

Not one of the half dozen players with seer abilities has viewed me as not loyal to the emperor.

Meanwhile, GE is pulling tons of stuff out of his ass, trying to get the vote to stick to me and he is not a suspect, at all.

I'm pretty sure the chaos have already won. With st. cronin dead, the emperor won't stay alive for, I'm guessing, more than two or three days. You guys are going to keep voting for me, and I'm going to keep surviving it, until the emperor's life support fails. Nicely played chaos.

I may as well help the chaos by revealing my latest bit of research: Basically, if both Fouts and Alan T are killed, I will fall prey to the curse and become loyal to the Chaos Daemon Lord. I'm guessing since none of you have tried to kill me at night, and I can't be killed by day, I could end up on the winning team if Fouts dies.

I swear, you all are getting played so badly and don't even see it.

Vote Golden Eagle.

[Swaggs]

and one last thing before I leave until lunch...

Didn't Mustang say I would be busy converting people and there wouldn't be any night kills? So, two night kills in a row and, according to Mustang, two converts later... and you guys are believing him over me? Nice.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

and one last thing before I leave until lunch...

Didn't Mustang say I would be busy converting people and there wouldn't be any night kills? So, two night kills in a row and, according to Mustang, two converts later... and you guys are believing him over me? Nice.

Once again, it all comes back to Grey. He cleared Mustang and he was (finally) proven to be good, so that makes us trust Mustang. If we lynch you twice and you turn out to be good, there is still time to look at GE before the Chaos get their ratio.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, i went out of my way yesterday to make sure you didnt die. I went after my target, got him lynched, and now look like the complete idiot i mentioned others might be. Grey scanned GE, grey was good, so GE should be to. I could have bought a case against fouts or brian, maybe, but GE earned his trust in grey's death...

[BrianD]

dola,

I suppose I should say if we lynch you twice and you are still around, there is still time to look at GE.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

dola,

I suppose I should say if we lynch you twice and you are still around, there is still time to look at GE.

You setting us up brian? Who has scanned you by the way, i forget. Im sure someone did, right?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Swaggs, i went out of my way yesterday to make sure you didnt die. I went after my target, got him lynched, and now look like the complete idiot i mentioned others might be. Grey scanned GE, grey was good, so GE should be to. I could have bought a case against fouts or brian, maybe, but GE earned his trust in grey's death...

Any by extension, Fouts and I should be cleared too since Grey cleared us all. At this point, my only Chaos suspects are Swaggs and Kingfc22, but I really think Swaggs is the guy.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You setting us up brian? Who has scanned you by the way, i forget. Im sure someone did, right?

Grey did in his night 2 scan.

If you think I am setting you up, I think I'll go over to the corner and cry for a while.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

This is my offical sucking up to Blade post. I dunno how he was brought back, by who, or for what purpose.

I just know that blade is my only hope for survival tonight.

sorry mate...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Grey did in his night 2 scan.

If you think I am setting you up, I think I'll go over to the corner and cry for a while.

I just still have that bad taste in my mouth from last game when i was set up, and they killed every suspect but me. Cronin's death either means swaggs is desperate, or its not him. Im exploring both routes in my head, as if he is being set up your comments would strongly be the best fit. Going back to look at grey's posts now

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I just still have that bad taste in my mouth from last game when i was set up, and they killed every suspect but me. Cronin's death either means swaggs is desperate, or its not him. Im exploring both routes in my head, as if he is being set up your comments would strongly be the best fit. Going back to look at grey's posts now

Please also go back and read my posts. I've been practically begging people to trust Grey. I've also been trying really hard to get Alan and Fouts to see that they were about to lynch good people. Now I certainly haven't always been right like trying to lynch st.cronin rather that Bullet, but I've been pushing hard to save the people that I really believed were good. If I was trying to play you, I would have allowed myself to be "convinced" that Grey was bad, or that Bullet was bad. I wouldn't be fighting for them so hard if I didn't believe them.

If you go back to the early parts of the game, you'll see that I've been one of the very few people putting the clues together correctly.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Please also go back and read my posts. I've been practically begging people to trust Grey. I've also been trying really hard to get Alan and Fouts to see that they were about to lynch good people. Now I certainly haven't always been right like trying to lynch st.cronin rather that Bullet, but I've been pushing hard to save the people that I really believed were good. If I was trying to play you, I would have allowed myself to be "convinced" that Grey was bad, or that Bullet was bad. I wouldn't be fighting for them so hard if I didn't believe them.

If you go back to the early parts of the game, you'll see that I've been one of the very few people putting the clues together correctly.

Did anyone scan king or fouts?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Did anyone scan king or fouts?

Grey scanned Fouts. Nobody scanned King.

Here are the people that are left:
GE - cleared by Grey
Fouts - cleared by Grey
BrianD - cleared by Grey
Saldana - cleared by Alan - accused by King of being a mutant
Blade - cleared by death
ChiefRum - brought back good bodyguard
Kingfc22 - never cleared - revealing roles
Swaggs - never cleared - accused by Mustang of being Chaos
Mustang - cleared by Grey - accused Swaggs - ghost of unknown allegiance

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Grey scanned Fouts. Nobody scanned King.

Here are the people that are left:
GE - cleared by Grey
Fouts - cleared by Grey
BrianD - cleared by Grey
Saldana - cleared by Alan - accused by King of being a mutant
Blade - cleared by death
ChiefRum - brought back good bodyguard
Kingfc22 - never cleared - revealing roles
Swaggs - never cleared - accused by Mustang of being Chaos
Mustang - cleared by Grey - accused Swaggs - ghost of unknown allegiance

So, why arent we looking at king too?

If king sees this, who have you been scanning?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

So, why arent we looking at king too?

If king sees this, who have you been scanning?

Who have I been scanning? I don't have the ability to scan anyone.

Right now I am considering King the number 2 target since he is the only other uncleared person. The reason I've got Swaggs as number 1 is because of Mustang. King has been revealing roles, but I'm not sure if that is helpful or not. It probably helps us understand why Chaos are picking certain victims which helps us find them, but I consider Kings reveals to be pretty neutral. Swaggs hasn't really been providing any info or really pushing much analysis.

[BrianD]

dola,

I understand your post now, you were asking King who he was scanning. Sorry.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

dola,

I understand your post now, you were asking King who he was scanning. Sorry.

Its all good...i am interested to see who king has scanned the last 2 nights, but i doubt it will be that helpful. I suppose, if we have 9 left, even if both are bad we have the time to kill them off. I just have this feeling after the cronin kill we dont have any time left..

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Its all good...i am interested to see who king has scanned the last 2 nights, but i doubt it will be that helpful. I suppose, if we have 9 left, even if both are bad we have the time to kill them off. I just have this feeling after the cronin kill we dont have any time left..

We have 8 left since Mustang is just a ghost. I included him in my list since he was connected to my reasoning for others. If Swaggs and King are both bad, it will take us 3 weeks to knock them both off. In that time we will lose 2 more humans. That would leave us with 4 survivors. We do have time to get at both of them, but there won't be a whole lot of extra time.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

We have 8 left since Mustang is just a ghost. I included him in my list since he was connected to my reasoning for others. If Swaggs and King are both bad, it will take us 3 weeks to knock them both off. In that time we will lose 2 more humans. That would leave us with 4 survivors. We do have time to get at both of them, but there won't be a whole lot of extra time.

im still very wary of king, but for now
VOTE SWAGGS

[Blade6119]

dola, and by time i meant we might lose earlier then the ratio due to cronin's role with the throne