2010 NCAA Tournament (and NIT) Thread - Page 46

mckerney · 04-05-2010, 08:35 PM

If being mad at Butler for causing me to pick UTEP in the first round because they gave up 82 the only time I saw them and they play in a conference where they don't play anyone, I can live with that.

That I had them picked to lose in round one and that they beat Michigan State make me really want to see them lose.

sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 08:36 PM

In 2008, I didn't care how late I stayed up but that was a different story, particularly after my wife and I decided to head to the downtown party to celebrate

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Radii · 04-05-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

I have to hit you on one other thing. Based on what you write here, the NY Yankees aren't even the NY Yankees. Since you are including only what happened after the 'streak' concluded, both Duke ('01) and the Yankees ('09) have one championship and lot of making the dance and coming up short.

You completely misunderstand and misrepresent what my point has been. Remember my original question: "How long does Duke have to be out of the spotlight before we stop giving them the blind hate that are reserved for...." teams like the yankees. I'm not only looking at the period since 2001. I'm saying that Duke was not dominant over a long enough period that they should have earned the "we are the best in the history of the sport, everyone should root against us" status that they somehow have, and that even if they had it briefly, it should have fallen away during the first decade of the 21st century.

Anyway, its clear that people are going to hate Duke as if they dominated the last century of college basketball and there's no close second place(hint: they didn't),and its clear from the discussion here that there's no rational reason for it. So its time for me to give up on this little tangent.

Good luck to Duke tonight in their effort to become the team with the 5th most national championships all by themselves.

Lathum · 04-05-2010, 08:37 PM

Butler must be loving this pace

Swaggs · 04-05-2010, 08:38 PM

Okay... Who had the 7 footer, Zoubek, with the first flop of the game? And not until 6+ minutes in!

Swaggs · 04-05-2010, 08:39 PM

First successful flop, I should say.

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 08:41 PM

I really hope the quality of this game lasts....it's been great so far.

sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 08:46 PM

Man, Butler is really good with their hands for getting boards. The ball just sticks there- very few fits of batting around.

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Radii · 04-05-2010, 08:50 PM

Definitely impressed with Butler so far, keep it up!

Groundhog · 04-05-2010, 08:50 PM

Brian Zoubek is the embodiment of the over-the-back foul.

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 08:51 PM

Not sure about Howard's second foul. Seems like the Duke guy didn't have great position. No matter though, they've lived without him most of this tournament!

RainMaker · 04-05-2010, 08:54 PM

Sort of seeing where some of you were coming from with the refs and Duke.

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 08:55 PM

The refs seem to want to let the teams play unless it is a ticky tack foul

sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

The refs seem to want to let the teams play unless it is a ticky tack foul

Yeah, murder is allowed underneath but you can't touch foul up above

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sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 08:57 PM

Great move, Clark? That was like 8 steps.

I can make great moves if I don't have to dribble

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ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, murder is allowed underneath but you can't touch foul up above

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Exactly. Pumley (sp) may have tipped that ball cleanly, but he grabbed the Butler guy by the shoulder to get to the ball.

Even with Butler's style, letting it get too physical favors the bigger Duke team.

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 08:58 PM

Good TO by Butler, this is normally the time when Duke makes a run and gets some separation. There's a big difference right now between a 6 point lead and a 10 point lead.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-05-2010, 09:01 PM

Butler really impressing me. 2 very good possessions to end that little Duke run.

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Good TO by Butler, this is normally the time when Duke makes a run and gets some separation. There's a big difference right now between a 6 point lead and a 10 point lead.

This 7-0 makes Stephens look like a genius.

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:04 PM

Who would have thought Butler couldn't miss from outside and Duke couldn't hit. The longer duke stays cold, the better for Butler.

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:05 PM

Really, that was a foul on duke?

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

This 7-0 makes Stephens look like a genius.

Stephens has been very impressive in his coaching. Unless he needs a new challenge one day, he'd be a fool to ever leave butler.

Lathum · 04-05-2010, 09:07 PM

Duke should be dumping it down low to Zoubek (sp?) every possession. Butler has no answer for him.

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Stephens has been very impressive in his coaching. Unless he needs a new challenge one day, he'd be a fool to ever leave butler.

Agreed. This run will do wonders for their recruiting/fan base.

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Duke should be dumping it down low to Zoubek (sp?) every possession. Butler has no answer for him.

He seems like a stiff offensively. Picks and rebounding seem to be his limitations.

Crap on the steal/3 by Duke.

sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 09:09 PM

Jukes is huge!

And what is up with Zoubek always at the top on defense?

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Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Duke should be dumping it down low to Zoubek (sp?) every possession. Butler has no answer for him.

As a duke fan, you just made me want to vomit.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-05-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Stephens has been very impressive in his coaching. Unless he needs a new challenge one day, he'd be a fool to ever leave butler.

He wouldn't be a fool if Oregon offers him enough money..

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:11 PM

Zubek never went over the back there? How?

Impressive half by Butler. Duke hasn't played poorly, really, Butler has just slowed the game down and staying with them. Hope the next 20 are just as good!

Scoobz0202 · 04-05-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Duke should be dumping it down low to Zoubek (sp?) every possession. Butler has no answer for him.

Howard had been on the bench for what, six minutes? Second howard sat down I thought for sure that's what they would do.

Groundhog · 04-05-2010, 09:11 PM

Good to see Butler are finally defending those little curl-screens that Duke's big 3 has been using all game to get those nice little jumpers from just outside the key.

k0ruptr · 04-05-2010, 09:12 PM

great championship so far! lets go Butler!

Groundhog · 04-05-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

Zubek never went over the back there? How?

Impressive half by Butler. Duke hasn't played poorly, really, Butler has just slowed the game down and staying with them. Hope the next 20 are just as good!

Duke has played pretty well outside of a couple of missed open 3s that they were knocking down the rest of the tournament. Butler has been playing with more urgency though, and that's been the difference so far. So many 2nd chance points and hustle plays.

DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2010, 09:14 PM

c'mon butler!

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:14 PM

So at the half, butler is knocking down threes, and duke is struggling at the line and shooting threes. History tells us these things will even out in the 2nd half. As a duke fan, I hope so. The pace seems a little fast for butler, but I think they would be smart to push it a little more with Jukes, Nored and Mack. Duke hasn't found an anwer for their speed on the penetration. Duke needs to switch up their defense. Zoubek is being stretched to far, and having Plumlee and Thomas cover outside is really exposing their lack of speed.

mckerney · 04-05-2010, 09:16 PM

Let's go 50 point second half for Duke.

Groundhog · 04-05-2010, 09:27 PM

Obama can stroke it.

panerd · 04-05-2010, 09:27 PM

I admit that I rarely watch halftime shows. Do the fans in the background always act like complete jackasses to try and get on tv?

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I admit that I rarely watch halftime shows. Do the fans in the background always act like complete jackasses to try and get on tv?

Yes, I have yet to go to a sport eventing where someone doesn't act like an idiot to get on TV....or catch a cheap t-shirt.

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:37 PM

Someone tell Nolan smith to stop shooting 3s an for CBS to stop using that camera angle.

sterlingice · 04-05-2010, 09:39 PM

To be fair, this is starting to look less and less like fixed refereeing and just crappy, arbitrary ref'ing

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DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2010, 09:41 PM

this camera angle sucks balls...i'm so tired of it. the players all look like giants...it's weird

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

To be fair, this is starting to look less and less like fixed refereeing and just crappy, arbitrary ref'ing

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I think so too. Butler got some generous calls to start this half and no it's just inconsistent as hell. Touch foul one minute, full body checking goes uncalled the next.

Groundhog · 04-05-2010, 09:41 PM

Refs are letting everything go. Zoubek has had about 3 over-the-back fouls not called, and Howard is lucky he has 3 fouls instead of 5. Bad officiating.

Swaggs · 04-05-2010, 09:44 PM

Enjoying this game. It helps to not be invested in either team when you have a game as close as this.

Duke really does seem to be missing out by not using Zoubek underneath much on offense -- the refs have been letting him have his way all weekend (other than stupid reach ins).

ColtCrazy · 04-05-2010, 09:44 PM

Me thinks the clock keeper fell asleep on the timer though.

And a stupid foul by Howard.

kingfc22 · 04-05-2010, 09:45 PM

How does Howard ever stay in a game? The guy fouls like crazy.

Swaggs · 04-05-2010, 09:45 PM

Has anyone else mentioned that "the Plumlee Brothers" sound like Harry Potter characters?

LloydLungs · 04-05-2010, 09:45 PM

Am I wrong to think Matt Howard is sort of stupid?

Easy Mac · 04-05-2010, 09:45 PM

Quality minutes from Howard this tourney

04-05-2010, 08:36 PM	#2252
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	In 2008, I didn't care how late I stayed up but that was a different story, particularly after my wife and I decided to head to the downtown party to celebrate SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-05-2010, 08:38 PM	#2255
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Okay... Who had the 7 footer, Zoubek, with the first flop of the game? And not until 6+ minutes in! __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-05-2010, 08:39 PM	#2256
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	First successful flop, I should say. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-05-2010, 08:41 PM	#2257
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	I really hope the quality of this game lasts....it's been great so far. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

04-05-2010, 08:46 PM	#2258
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Man, Butler is really good with their hands for getting boards. The ball just sticks there- very few fits of batting around. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-05-2010, 08:35 PM	#2251
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If being mad at Butler for causing me to pick UTEP in the first round because they gave up 82 the only time I saw them and they play in a conference where they don't play anyone, I can live with that. That I had them picked to lose in round one and that they beat Michigan State make me really want to see them lose.

04-05-2010, 08:37 PM	#2254
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Butler must be loving this pace

04-05-2010, 08:50 PM	#2259
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Definitely impressed with Butler so far, keep it up!

04-05-2010, 08:50 PM	#2260
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Brian Zoubek is the embodiment of the over-the-back foul. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

04-05-2010, 08:51 PM	#2261
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Not sure about Howard's second foul. Seems like the Duke guy didn't have great position. No matter though, they've lived without him most of this tournament! __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

04-05-2010, 08:54 PM	#2262
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Sort of seeing where some of you were coming from with the refs and Duke.

04-05-2010, 08:55 PM	#2263
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	The refs seem to want to let the teams play unless it is a ticky tack foul

04-05-2010, 08:57 PM	#2265
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Great move, Clark? That was like 8 steps. I can make great moves if I don't have to dribble SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-05-2010 at 08:57 PM.

04-05-2010, 08:58 PM	#2267
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Good TO by Butler, this is normally the time when Duke makes a run and gets some separation. There's a big difference right now between a 6 point lead and a 10 point lead.

04-05-2010, 09:01 PM	#2268
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Butler really impressing me. 2 very good possessions to end that little Duke run. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

04-05-2010, 09:04 PM	#2270
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Who would have thought Butler couldn't miss from outside and Duke couldn't hit. The longer duke stays cold, the better for Butler.

04-05-2010, 09:05 PM	#2271
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Really, that was a foul on duke?

04-05-2010, 09:07 PM	#2273
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Duke should be dumping it down low to Zoubek (sp?) every possession. Butler has no answer for him.

04-05-2010, 09:09 PM	#2276
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Jukes is huge! And what is up with Zoubek always at the top on defense? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-05-2010, 09:11 PM	#2279
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Zubek never went over the back there? How? Impressive half by Butler. Duke hasn't played poorly, really, Butler has just slowed the game down and staying with them. Hope the next 20 are just as good! __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

04-05-2010, 09:11 PM	#2281
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Good to see Butler are finally defending those little curl-screens that Duke's big 3 has been using all game to get those nice little jumpers from just outside the key. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

04-05-2010, 09:12 PM	#2282
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	great championship so far! lets go Butler! __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

04-05-2010, 09:14 PM	#2284
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04-05-2010, 09:14 PM	#2285
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	So at the half, butler is knocking down threes, and duke is struggling at the line and shooting threes. History tells us these things will even out in the 2nd half. As a duke fan, I hope so. The pace seems a little fast for butler, but I think they would be smart to push it a little more with Jukes, Nored and Mack. Duke hasn't found an anwer for their speed on the penetration. Duke needs to switch up their defense. Zoubek is being stretched to far, and having Plumlee and Thomas cover outside is really exposing their lack of speed.

04-05-2010, 09:16 PM	#2286
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Let's go 50 point second half for Duke.

04-05-2010, 09:27 PM	#2287
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Obama can stroke it. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

04-05-2010, 09:27 PM	#2288
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	I admit that I rarely watch halftime shows. Do the fans in the background always act like complete jackasses to try and get on tv?

04-05-2010, 09:37 PM	#2290
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Someone tell Nolan smith to stop shooting 3s an for CBS to stop using that camera angle.

04-05-2010, 09:39 PM	#2291
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	To be fair, this is starting to look less and less like fixed refereeing and just crappy, arbitrary ref'ing SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-05-2010 at 09:39 PM.

04-05-2010, 09:41 PM	#2292
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	this camera angle sucks balls...i'm so tired of it. the players all look like giants...it's weird __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

04-05-2010, 09:41 PM	#2294
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Refs are letting everything go. Zoubek has had about 3 over-the-back fouls not called, and Howard is lucky he has 3 fouls instead of 5. Bad officiating. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

04-05-2010, 09:44 PM	#2295
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Enjoying this game. It helps to not be invested in either team when you have a game as close as this. Duke really does seem to be missing out by not using Zoubek underneath much on offense -- the refs have been letting him have his way all weekend (other than stupid reach ins). __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-05-2010, 09:44 PM	#2296
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Me thinks the clock keeper fell asleep on the timer though. And a stupid foul by Howard. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

04-05-2010, 09:45 PM	#2297
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	How does Howard ever stay in a game? The guy fouls like crazy. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

04-05-2010, 09:45 PM	#2298
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Has anyone else mentioned that "the Plumlee Brothers" sound like Harry Potter characters? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?