Unofficial Official 2012-13 College Basketball Thread - Page 45

rowech · 03-17-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Getting in the field is the reward for a good season. Once you get in the field if you dont like your seed you have the opportunity to do something about it.

68 teams after today control their own destiny so its hard to blame college hoops for not allowing a fair opportunity at the end of the season.

Then I guess line up the whole country into a massive tournament, play best of 3 games for each matchup, and let the madness begin.

Football we get up in arms if a team that won a conference is behind a team that didn't. If a team that doesn't win it's own conference plays for the title, there would be outrage. In basketball, that doesn't matter?

Replace Miami's name with UNC. Who gets the #1 seed then?

cougarfreak · 03-17-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Yeah, Louisville is interesting.

Their defense is so rock solid and their offense clicks some games but they have them games where they cant make shots that leave them ripe for an upset. I think having the optimist known as Rick Pitino saved them last night. I think 99 percent of the coaches out there wouldnt have given them the confidence at halftime that they could win that game.

I would agree though I dont think Wisky matches up well with them. Louisville is too quick for them.

I don't care what anyone says. I think Pitino is the best coach, and motivator in the country. When he was in his first year at UK, he was the guest speaker at a banquet I was invited to attend for being a high school athlete of the week one week that year. He was an incredible speaker. I've been a big fan ever since.

hoopsguy · 03-17-2013, 08:46 AM

Louisville's defense is terrifying. Such intense ball pressure all the time, good half court defense anchored by a big-time shot blocker in the back. They are really physical, taking advantage of the "can't call all the fouls" approach better than anyone else I've seen - and that includes watching a TON of Big Ten basketball this year. But their half-court offense seems almost disinterested, like they are using that time to get their wind back from going all-out on the other end.

I'm not sure how I'll pick them in brackets this year, although my opinion of them is less bracket-dependent than just about any other team. It will have more to do about whether I think they will sustain this level of play over another three weeks. I know that I was 100% incorrect on the UConn team a couple of years ago that ran through the Big East tournament, figuring they had peaked and would not come close to running the NCAA field. I'm much less sure about Louisville, but I guess I still have a couple of days to try and figure this out.

hoopsguy · 03-17-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Then I guess line up the whole country into a massive tournament, play best of 3 games for each matchup, and let the madness begin.

Football we get up in arms if a team that won a conference is behind a team that didn't. If a team that doesn't win it's own conference plays for the title, there would be outrage. In basketball, that doesn't matter?

Replace Miami's name with UNC. Who gets the #1 seed then?

Point of fact - UNC wouldn't play that kind of non-conference schedule.

College basketball is far more democratic about giving teams a chance to control their own destiny in the postseason than college football. If this was college football, Miami wouldn't have a meaningful opportunity to play in the national title game if they start the season unranked. I recognize that this is a bit of a strawman, but I'll trying to address what I think was your fundamental point of football somehow doing a better job of recognizing regular season than basketball in terms of giving opportunity for a rewarding postseason. I think that is a flawed argument.

jbergey22 · 03-17-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Then I guess line up the whole country into a massive tournament, play best of 3 games for each matchup, and let the madness begin.

Football we get up in arms if a team that won a conference is behind a team that didn't. If a team that doesn't win it's own conference plays for the title, there would be outrage. In basketball, that doesn't matter?

Replace Miami's name with UNC. Who gets the #1 seed then?

A team that won the conference is behind a team that didnt? You mean division I presume? And no that doesnt bother me all that much but the bye weeks and home field are the biggest advantage in the NFL playoff system. Athough the way things have played out lately that doesnt appear to matter.

The difference between UNC and Miami is UNC plays a difficult non-conference schedule so it isnt really comparable. Miami didnt play the tough non conference schedule that the Dukes/NC do whether it was by choice or bad luck.

And being a #1 or #2 seed in the NCAA tourny is really not a huge deal. Instead of beating a #16 and #8 seed you have to beat a #15 and #7 seed. After the first two rounds with all of the upsets its a crapshoot either way at that point.

Lathum · 03-17-2013, 08:57 AM

Miami probably has 2-3more losses if they played Dukes OOC schedule.

jbergey22 · 03-17-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Miami probably has 2-3more losses if they played Dukes OOC schedule.

and they lost to Florida Gulf Coast by 12??? LOL

How can that happen to a #1 seed?

rowech · 03-17-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Point of fact - UNC wouldn't play that kind of non-conference schedule.

College basketball is far more democratic about giving teams a chance to control their own destiny in the postseason than college football. If this was college football, Miami wouldn't have a meaningful opportunity to play in the national title game if they start the season unranked. I recognize that this is a bit of a strawman, but I'll trying to address what I think was your fundamental point of football somehow doing a better job of recognizing regular season than basketball in terms of giving opportunity for a rewarding postseason. I think that is a flawed argument.

I just don't like giving a higher seed to a team that didn't win a regular season conference title nor a conference tournament when for the most part those two teams appear to be equal. As for the injury argument, didn't Duke have Kelly this weekend? Surely, they would win the conference tournament in a walk at that point if they are really an easy #1 seed?

jbergey22 · 03-17-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I just don't like giving a higher seed to a team that didn't win a regular season conference title nor a conference tournament when for the most part those two teams appear to be equal. As for the injury argument, didn't Duke have Kelly this weekend? Surely, they would win the conference tournament in a walk at that point if they are really an easy #1 seed?

I promise I would be on your side if it were the difference of Miami not having the chance to get in the tourny and Duke did because it would make the regular season conference season meanlingless however as things are and both teams easily in I have no issues with Duke being the higher seed.

Lathum · 03-17-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I just don't like giving a higher seed to a team that didn't win a regular season conference title nor a conference tournament when for the most part those two teams appear to be equal. As for the injury argument, didn't Duke have Kelly this weekend? Surely, they would win the conference tournament in a walk at that point if they are really an easy #1 seed?

It is an absurd statement to say anyone wins their conference tournament in a walk in the ACC. No one is saying Miami isn't a great team, and assuming thy win today I doubt anyone has issue with them being a 1 seed, but you can't dispute Duke has a better overall resume.

If you would rather put a ton of emphasis on the last 4 days of the season I guess that is your prerogative, but I think the better way is to look at the whole body of work

hoopsguy · 03-17-2013, 09:11 AM

I completely understand your premise on Miami/Duke as it relates to conference play. And I think the larger questions here are:
1.) how heavily do you weigh non-conference play, which makes up maybe 35-40% of the games?
2.) how heavily do you weigh injuries as either a mitigating circumstance for regular season results or a potential detriment to post-season support?

The answer to #2 seems to vary pretty significantly with the seeding committees from season to season, but over the last decade #1 has pretty consistently been "quite a bit".

I'll hope that Miami gets a high seed and a good draw to reward their overall season. Nothing that the committee does today can take away regular season ACC champ or ACC tournament champ if they handle their business today. It has been a great season for them, almost irregardless of the next three weeks. Larranaga has done a wonderful job with that program and it has been cool to watch.

jbergey22 · 03-17-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I don't care what anyone says. I think Pitino is the best coach, and motivator in the country. When he was in his first year at UK, he was the guest speaker at a banquet I was invited to attend for being a high school athlete of the week one week that year. He was an incredible speaker. I've been a big fan ever since.

Congrats on being athlete of the week and being able to hear him speak. Ive heard the same thing about him but never actually heard him but I have read one of his books.

hoopsguy · 03-17-2013, 09:20 AM

On an unrelated note, I think Matta has done an unbelievable job coaching this Ohio State team. They are fundamentally a really flawed offensive team, with only Thomas able to create for himself. But their level of defensive consistency over the last ten games has been really impressive.

My impression with Matta was that he was a recruiting monster, but this season suggests that his coaching chops deserve accolades as well. I never thought he was a "roll the ball out and play" coach, but I didn't think he was capable of the kind of player/team development I saw this season.

digamma · 03-17-2013, 09:47 AM

I have a sneaking suspicion that this may be a year that a few teams who people thought were in end up out and vice versa, more so than in previous years. The bubble is pretty soft this year, and I have a hard time distinguishing anyone from say a 7 seed on down with any of the OUT bubble teams.

For example, the three four teams below are safely in, bubble in, bubble out and out (not in that order).

Team A
21-11
56 RPI
76 SOS
7-9 vs. RPI Top 100
12-0 vs. RPI Below 150

Team B
25-8
50 RPI
143 SOS
8-6 vs. RPI top 100
13-2 vs. RPI below 150

Team C
20-12
58 RPI
50 SOS
9-10 vs. RPI top 100
8-0 vs. RPI below 150

Team D
23-10
35 RPI
30 SOS
10-10 vs. RPI top 100
13-0 vs. RPI bottom 150

Radii · 03-17-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I just don't like giving a higher seed to a team that didn't win a regular season conference title nor a conference tournament when for the most part those two teams appear to be equal.

Looking at who Duke lost to and comparing them to who Miami lost to the two teams do not appear to be equal to me. If Miami wins today and they get a #1 seed, that's fine, but, take a look at the pomeroy ratings of the teams they lost to:

Miamis losses: #125, #20, #106. #128, #5, #94 (with a non-conference win over #10)

Duke losses: #34, #14, #55, #27, #55 (with non-conference wins over #47, #2, #6)

Again, if you want to just blindly give conference champions higher seeds, fine, I disagree, but its a fine opinion.

But when you say that the two teams appear to be equal I have a pretty big issue with that. One of these teams has very clearly done a significantly better job avoiding ugly losses, while also playing a tougher schedule and getting some incredibly good non-conference wins.

jbergey22 · 03-17-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I'm definitely out. Not participating in any NCAA stuff either this year, lack of interest as opposed to time commitment.

I am sorry. I wont have time to do this either. Wish I did.

Buccaneer · 03-17-2013, 11:58 AM

I guess it gets down to the process of elimination. It boggles my mind that Kansas will be a #1 seed despite that horrid three-game stretch mid-season.

tarcone · 03-17-2013, 12:02 PM

GO ST. LOUIS!

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I am sorry. I wont have time to do this either. Wish I did.

If work is light, I'll get it going tomorrow.

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 01:10 PM

One snarky remark re: Miami/Duke: FGCU is looking like a 15 seed in this year's tournament; Duke has been known to lose to teams of a similar caliber, too...

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

I have a sneaking suspicion that this may be a year that a few teams who people thought were in end up out and vice versa, more so than in previous years. The bubble is pretty soft this year, and I have a hard time distinguishing anyone from say a 7 seed on down with any of the OUT bubble teams.

For example, the three four teams below are safely in, bubble in, bubble out and out (not in that order).

RPI Top 25/50 records?

MizzouRah · 03-17-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

GO ST. LOUIS!

OldGiants · 03-17-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Wow! VCU is storming back now. This is what Havoc is all about. Hope everyone is getting to watch this.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 02:14 PM

Ole Miss beats Florida after down 13 at halftime. I didn't catch the first 5 minutes of the second half after watching the Gators cruise along in the first half.

Florida was down 3 with 6 seconds left, Ole Miss misses the free throw and Florida goes down the floor and gets fouled. Finally a coach gets the play right to foul the player. Florida misses the first free throw and forced to missed the second one, which gets tipped out and Boynton gets a shot off and goes in and out pretty much.

Good game.. I still kinda dislike Marshall Henderson though.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 02:21 PM

If the Badgers win this afternoon and the committee takes the game into consideration I hope they move the Badgers ahead of Michigan. I don't see it happening but Florida losing gives the Badgers ever so slightly increased hope to get that coveted three seed.

Bracket Matrix updated this morning:

Badgers are the last 4 seed in the rankings and Michigan is the last 3 seed. Kansas and Duke are basically pick ems for the last 1 seed. The last 1 seed will be the most interesting development tonight. It's a pretty big deal, IMO. With VCU losing, they'll be in line for a 7 seed and THAT is a matchup nobody wants to have if you're a 2-seed.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 02:42 PM

The TV Timeouts really need to be made every 5 minute mark rather than 4.

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 02:49 PM

Catch-all response to mauchow's last couple posts:

The fouling-up-3-late decision is actually close to a coin flip. There's a KenPom article out there about it.

Henderson is grating, isn't he?

I'd like to think the Badgers could climb the ladder with a W today, too, but I think the Big Ten final is contested too late in the day to be accounted for, frankly.

Finally, just taking a stab at placements based on Bracket Matrix's order and eyeballing distances... doesn't look good for the Badgers.

Code:

louisville	lexington
indiana		dayton
gonzaga		san jose
duke		philadelphia

kansas		kansas city
miami		lexington
georgetown	philadelphia
new mexico	salt lake city
		
ohio state	dayton
michigan state	auburn hills
florida		austin
michigan	auburn hills
		
kansas state	kansas city
syracuse	salt lake city
marquette	austin
wisconsin	san jose

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 02:53 PM

Yeah, I read that article. However, if you saw the last five seconds you'd know it was a good foul. If he didn't reach in it was going to be a wide-open three pointer. So in this instance, 100% right play, imo. There was only 2.9 seconds left when the foul was made. So..

But yeah, grating as hell he is.

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Originally Posted by britrock88

Catch-all response to mauchow's last couple posts:

The fouling-up-3-late decision is actually close to a coin flip. There's a KenPom article out there about it.

Henderson is grating, isn't he?

I'd like to think the Badgers could climb the ladder with a W today, too, but I think the Big Ten final is contested too late in the day to be accounted for, frankly.

Finally, just taking a stab at placements based on Bracket Matrix's order and eyeballing distances... doesn't look good for the Badgers.

Code:

louisville	lexington
indiana		dayton
gonzaga		san jose
duke		philadelphia

kansas		kansas city
miami		lexington
georgetown	philadelphia
new mexico	salt lake city
		
ohio state	dayton
michigan state	auburn hills
florida		austin
michigan	auburn hills
		
kansas state	kansas city
syracuse	salt lake city
marquette	austin
wisconsin	san jose

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 02:57 PM

You do have the advantage of actually seeing the play and foul happen, so I'll give it to you. Back to the Badgers!

Solecismic · 03-17-2013, 03:27 PM

Conference tournaments are fun, I guess, but they don't carry much weight. Since college basketball can have a real national tournament, it's important that multiple teams from the same conference have realistic seeding.

Miami had a decent non-conference RPI, but not a great one. The schedule was strong enough, but losses to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State had a major impact.

The in-conference schedules for top conferences take a huge toll, and Miami held up as well as anyone.

Compare this to Gonzaga, which everyone agrees will get a 1 seed, and I think that illustrates why RPI has its limitations. Gonzaga doesn't get beat up in-conference. It goes 3-2 against top competition, blows out a weak Big XII team, and expectations are high.

But even though this will be Gonzaga's 16th trip to the NCAAs in the last 19 seasons, we've never seen them in the Final Four. Not once. And if I do a bracket this year, Gonzaga won't even be in my Final 8. I think if Miami played Gonzaga ten times, they'd win eight or nine. I might be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

Gonzaga has good players. The problem is that they simply aren't tested like players from a major conference. If Gonzaga played in the ACC or the Big Ten, they might have 7-8 losses right now and a 3-seed, but they'd be more ready for the tournament.

I like that the tournament includes teams from every conference - even the bottom 15 or so that have almost no chance of reaching the Final Four. I think it's a fair selection process for the entire tournament. But I think RPI undervalues the day-in, day-out grind of a top conference and we shouldn't be talking about Gonzaga as a 1- or 2-seed.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 04:10 PM

Bummer. Traevon tried taking over the offense by himself and the offense stalled. They just get in these funks that are hard to shake... well if he can make both these free throws to make it a 4 pt game then maybe we still come up with a miracle win

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 04:28 PM

Okay here's to a 4/5 seed in Miami or Gonzaga half of bracket. I'd be happy with a six too.

Matthean · 03-17-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

On an unrelated note, I think Matta has done an unbelievable job coaching this Ohio State team. They are fundamentally a really flawed offensive team, with only Thomas able to create for himself. But their level of defensive consistency over the last ten games has been really impressive.

My impression with Matta was that he was a recruiting monster, but this season suggests that his coaching chops deserve accolades as well. I never thought he was a "roll the ball out and play" coach, but I didn't think he was capable of the kind of player/team development I saw this season.

OSU has now won 3 of the last 4 Big Ten tourneys.

britrock88 · 03-17-2013, 04:47 PM

I made a spreadsheet that includes data from Bracket Matrix, KenPom, the RPI, and the BPI:

Welcome to Google Docs

Enjoy!

Butter · 03-17-2013, 04:49 PM

LaQuinton Ross the surprise Buckeye hero today. I'm sure one day, OSU will stop getting to the conference tourney final, but until that day it's a fun run of tourney success Matta is having.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 05:06 PM

Pumped to avoid duke and Louisvilles bracket completely.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-17-2013, 05:06 PM

MTSU in the play-in means Tennessee's bubble is busted.

Louisville rolls through this region with relative ease.

Butter · 03-17-2013, 05:17 PM

Is Greg Gumbel high or drunk? Both?

Matthean · 03-17-2013, 05:18 PM

Michigan in at 4 with the Kansas bracket.

Solecismic · 03-17-2013, 05:19 PM

I'm not happy to see the Wolverines drop to a 4 and have to go through Kansas (if they get that far), but they did it to themselves. Not the same team since the Morgan injury.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-17-2013, 05:22 PM

UNLV a 5? Lunardi ain't setting the woods on fire today (he had 'em a 7)

Matthean · 03-17-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

I'm not happy to see the Wolverines drop to a 4 and have to go through Kansas (if they get that far), but they did it to themselves. Not the same team since the Morgan injury.

I don't think the #1 in their bracket mattered. I don't see them beating any of the #1 seeds outside of Gonzaga.

Matthean · 03-17-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

UNLV a 5? Lunardi ain't setting the woods on fire today (he had 'em a 7)

He had Oregon as an #8 although them getting a #12 is a WTF moment.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 05:25 PM

I'm pumped with Badgers getting Gonzaga as a 4/5 seed.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

He had Oregon as an #8 although them getting a #12 is a WTF moment.

12 is better than 8.

spleen1015 · 03-17-2013, 05:30 PM

Sorry Wisconsin.

Matthean · 03-17-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mauchow

I'm pumped with Badgers getting Gonzaga as a 4/5 seed.

Interesting 5/12 matchup.

mauchow · 03-17-2013, 05:32 PM

Badgers get Ole Miss. I guess I get to watch douche henderson go crazy on us.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-17-2013, 05:33 PM

Parity ... another word for mediocrity

sovereignstar v2 · 03-17-2013, 05:38 PM

The committee wants Tubby to keep his job apparently. UCLA is toast.

03-17-2013, 12:02 PM	#2218
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03-17-2013, 02:49 PM	#2227
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Catch-all response to mauchow's last couple posts: The fouling-up-3-late decision is actually close to a coin flip. There's a KenPom article out there about it. Henderson is grating, isn't he? I'd like to think the Badgers could climb the ladder with a W today, too, but I think the Big Ten final is contested too late in the day to be accounted for, frankly. Finally, just taking a stab at placements based on Bracket Matrix's order and eyeballing distances... doesn't look good for the Badgers. Code: louisville lexington indiana dayton gonzaga san jose duke philadelphia kansas kansas city miami lexington georgetown philadelphia new mexico salt lake city ohio state dayton michigan state auburn hills florida austin michigan auburn hills kansas state kansas city syracuse salt lake city marquette austin wisconsin san jose

03-17-2013, 02:57 PM	#2229
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	You do have the advantage of actually seeing the play and foul happen, so I'll give it to you. Back to the Badgers! Last edited by britrock88 : 03-17-2013 at 02:57 PM.

03-17-2013, 04:49 PM	#2235
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	LaQuinton Ross the surprise Buckeye hero today. I'm sure one day, OSU will stop getting to the conference tourney final, but until that day it's a fun run of tourney success Matta is having. __________________ My listening habits

03-17-2013, 05:06 PM	#2237
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	MTSU in the play-in means Tennessee's bubble is busted. Louisville rolls through this region with relative ease. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-17-2013, 08:46 AM	#2203
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Louisville's defense is terrifying. Such intense ball pressure all the time, good half court defense anchored by a big-time shot blocker in the back. They are really physical, taking advantage of the "can't call all the fouls" approach better than anyone else I've seen - and that includes watching a TON of Big Ten basketball this year. But their half-court offense seems almost disinterested, like they are using that time to get their wind back from going all-out on the other end. I'm not sure how I'll pick them in brackets this year, although my opinion of them is less bracket-dependent than just about any other team. It will have more to do about whether I think they will sustain this level of play over another three weeks. I know that I was 100% incorrect on the UConn team a couple of years ago that ran through the Big East tournament, figuring they had peaked and would not come close to running the NCAA field. I'm much less sure about Louisville, but I guess I still have a couple of days to try and figure this out.

03-17-2013, 08:57 AM	#2206
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Miami probably has 2-3more losses if they played Dukes OOC schedule.

03-17-2013, 09:11 AM	#2211
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I completely understand your premise on Miami/Duke as it relates to conference play. And I think the larger questions here are: 1.) how heavily do you weigh non-conference play, which makes up maybe 35-40% of the games? 2.) how heavily do you weigh injuries as either a mitigating circumstance for regular season results or a potential detriment to post-season support? The answer to #2 seems to vary pretty significantly with the seeding committees from season to season, but over the last decade #1 has pretty consistently been "quite a bit". I'll hope that Miami gets a high seed and a good draw to reward their overall season. Nothing that the committee does today can take away regular season ACC champ or ACC tournament champ if they handle their business today. It has been a great season for them, almost irregardless of the next three weeks. Larranaga has done a wonderful job with that program and it has been cool to watch.

03-17-2013, 09:20 AM	#2213
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	On an unrelated note, I think Matta has done an unbelievable job coaching this Ohio State team. They are fundamentally a really flawed offensive team, with only Thomas able to create for himself. But their level of defensive consistency over the last ten games has been really impressive. My impression with Matta was that he was a recruiting monster, but this season suggests that his coaching chops deserve accolades as well. I never thought he was a "roll the ball out and play" coach, but I didn't think he was capable of the kind of player/team development I saw this season.

03-17-2013, 09:47 AM	#2214
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I have a sneaking suspicion that this may be a year that a few teams who people thought were in end up out and vice versa, more so than in previous years. The bubble is pretty soft this year, and I have a hard time distinguishing anyone from say a 7 seed on down with any of the OUT bubble teams. For example, the three four teams below are safely in, bubble in, bubble out and out (not in that order). Team A 21-11 56 RPI 76 SOS 7-9 vs. RPI Top 100 12-0 vs. RPI Below 150 Team B 25-8 50 RPI 143 SOS 8-6 vs. RPI top 100 13-2 vs. RPI below 150 Team C 20-12 58 RPI 50 SOS 9-10 vs. RPI top 100 8-0 vs. RPI below 150 Team D 23-10 35 RPI 30 SOS 10-10 vs. RPI top 100 13-0 vs. RPI bottom 150

03-17-2013, 11:58 AM	#2217
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I guess it gets down to the process of elimination. It boggles my mind that Kansas will be a #1 seed despite that horrid three-game stretch mid-season.

03-17-2013, 01:10 PM	#2220
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	One snarky remark re: Miami/Duke: FGCU is looking like a 15 seed in this year's tournament; Duke has been known to lose to teams of a similar caliber, too...

03-17-2013, 02:14 PM	#2224
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Ole Miss beats Florida after down 13 at halftime. I didn't catch the first 5 minutes of the second half after watching the Gators cruise along in the first half. Florida was down 3 with 6 seconds left, Ole Miss misses the free throw and Florida goes down the floor and gets fouled. Finally a coach gets the play right to foul the player. Florida misses the first free throw and forced to missed the second one, which gets tipped out and Boynton gets a shot off and goes in and out pretty much. Good game.. I still kinda dislike Marshall Henderson though.

03-17-2013, 02:21 PM	#2225
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	If the Badgers win this afternoon and the committee takes the game into consideration I hope they move the Badgers ahead of Michigan. I don't see it happening but Florida losing gives the Badgers ever so slightly increased hope to get that coveted three seed. Bracket Matrix updated this morning: Badgers are the last 4 seed in the rankings and Michigan is the last 3 seed. Kansas and Duke are basically pick ems for the last 1 seed. The last 1 seed will be the most interesting development tonight. It's a pretty big deal, IMO. With VCU losing, they'll be in line for a 7 seed and THAT is a matchup nobody wants to have if you're a 2-seed.

03-17-2013, 02:42 PM	#2226
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	The TV Timeouts really need to be made every 5 minute mark rather than 4.

03-17-2013, 03:27 PM	#2230
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Conference tournaments are fun, I guess, but they don't carry much weight. Since college basketball can have a real national tournament, it's important that multiple teams from the same conference have realistic seeding. Miami had a decent non-conference RPI, but not a great one. The schedule was strong enough, but losses to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State had a major impact. The in-conference schedules for top conferences take a huge toll, and Miami held up as well as anyone. Compare this to Gonzaga, which everyone agrees will get a 1 seed, and I think that illustrates why RPI has its limitations. Gonzaga doesn't get beat up in-conference. It goes 3-2 against top competition, blows out a weak Big XII team, and expectations are high. But even though this will be Gonzaga's 16th trip to the NCAAs in the last 19 seasons, we've never seen them in the Final Four. Not once. And if I do a bracket this year, Gonzaga won't even be in my Final 8. I think if Miami played Gonzaga ten times, they'd win eight or nine. I might be wrong about that, but I don't think I am. Gonzaga has good players. The problem is that they simply aren't tested like players from a major conference. If Gonzaga played in the ACC or the Big Ten, they might have 7-8 losses right now and a 3-seed, but they'd be more ready for the tournament. I like that the tournament includes teams from every conference - even the bottom 15 or so that have almost no chance of reaching the Final Four. I think it's a fair selection process for the entire tournament. But I think RPI undervalues the day-in, day-out grind of a top conference and we shouldn't be talking about Gonzaga as a 1- or 2-seed.

03-17-2013, 04:10 PM	#2231
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Bummer. Traevon tried taking over the offense by himself and the offense stalled. They just get in these funks that are hard to shake... well if he can make both these free throws to make it a 4 pt game then maybe we still come up with a miracle win

03-17-2013, 04:28 PM	#2232
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Okay here's to a 4/5 seed in Miami or Gonzaga half of bracket. I'd be happy with a six too.

03-17-2013, 04:47 PM	#2234
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	I made a spreadsheet that includes data from Bracket Matrix, KenPom, the RPI, and the BPI: Welcome to Google Docs Enjoy!

03-17-2013, 05:06 PM	#2236
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Pumped to avoid duke and Louisvilles bracket completely.

03-17-2013, 05:17 PM	#2238
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Is Greg Gumbel high or drunk? Both? __________________ My listening habits

03-17-2013, 05:18 PM	#2239
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Michigan in at 4 with the Kansas bracket. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

03-17-2013, 05:19 PM	#2240
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I'm not happy to see the Wolverines drop to a 4 and have to go through Kansas (if they get that far), but they did it to themselves. Not the same team since the Morgan injury.

03-17-2013, 05:22 PM	#2241
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	UNLV a 5? Lunardi ain't setting the woods on fire today (he had 'em a 7) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-17-2013, 05:25 PM	#2244
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'm pumped with Badgers getting Gonzaga as a 4/5 seed.

03-17-2013, 05:30 PM	#2246
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Sorry Wisconsin. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

03-17-2013, 05:32 PM	#2248
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Badgers get Ole Miss. I guess I get to watch douche henderson go crazy on us.

03-17-2013, 05:33 PM	#2249
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Parity ... another word for mediocrity __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-17-2013, 05:38 PM	#2250
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	The committee wants Tubby to keep his job apparently. UCLA is toast. Last edited by sovereignstar v2 : 03-17-2013 at 05:38 PM.

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