Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Raiders Army]

anyone see a pattern here? alant and kingfc never claimed survivor since they weren't.

I just asked saldana how I could trust him and he said that he was a survivor. [i]He never said it when he checked in[i/]

I was very leery of contacting saldana today, but did so since like with hoops, the gain outweighs the pain. I think you guys know I'm telling the truth since that's how certain people were able to say that they trusted me. I really don't think bearcat is an other.

[Raiders Army]

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SWAGGS

I'm pretty sure Swaggs is an other as well.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

OK, I've gotta run. Raiders, I'm going to choose to believe you.

UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SALDANA

I hope I'm not hanging myself here. Good luck to us all.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

I'd be with you, but I after reading what you wrote, I still don't understand how anything is definitive in your reasoning. Maybe I'm slow?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Oh, and UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SWAGGS

I'm pretty sure Swaggs is an other as well.

Well, wait a damn minute -- if you're sure about Saldana why are you voting Swaggs??

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, wait a damn minute -- if you're sure about Saldana why are you voting Swaggs??

Swaggs has the votes right now and I'm not sure I can convince enough people to vote for saldana (i.e. they won't be on again tonight)

I'm pretty sure they are the last two wolves.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Swaggs has the votes right now and I'm not sure I can convince enough people to vote for saldana (i.e. they won't be on again tonight)

I'm pretty sure they are the last two wolves.

It was 9-1 Bearcat, I didn't think Swaggs had any votes.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'd be with you, but I after reading what you wrote, I still don't understand how anything is definitive in your reasoning. Maybe I'm slow?

With my power, I knew if I contacted an other, I'd be dead in the night phase.

Sorry, trying to type fast for path. Anyhow, I went back to my PMs with Blade on day 1 and he brought out the fact that one huge thing is how people check in. hoops picked up on it on day 2, and that's how spleen and KWhit got into his circle of trust since they used the word "simple".

The individuals above didn't use the word survivor because it wasn't in their description. It certainly wasn't in mine. To be able to hit two wolves who didn't check in with the word "survivor" in their first posts that were the check in posts with this leads me to believe that those who didn't check in with it didn't receive it in their role description.

You didn't either, but you hinted at something else today.

[path12]

OK, forget it. I've gotta go and the whole bait and switch is messed up.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE BEARCAT

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by path12

It was 9-1 Bearcat, I didn't think Swaggs had any votes.

thought your post with the vote count had swaggs with 2 votes.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

thought your post with the vote count had swaggs with 2 votes.

No, it was Schmidty.

[saldana]

WTF, this is BS....i didnt say i was a survivor when i checked in, i said i was a villager, i can find about 200 posts in this game alone where people interchange the words survivor and villager and wolf and other. And if you would please read the rest of that post, it says "I didnt even know we started yet, be back in a bit" because we werent scheduled to start the game when we did, i was a work, and just hurried a post up so i didnt get called out for not checking in..I have voted for 2 people now known to be others, and also called BS on king's fake seer reveal, and have also told you exactaly why my vote changed today to where it is now. i will confirm your ability, which clears you, and if you care to note, i refered to the fact that you were cleared to me about 100 posts ago when we started talking this morning. your logic is totally flawed, and to top it off, YOU DIDNT EVEN VOTE FOR ME!

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by saldana

WTF, this is BS....i didnt say i was a survivor when i checked in, i said i was a villager, i can find about 200 posts in this game alone where people interchange the words survivor and villager and wolf and other. And if you would please read the rest of that post, it says "I didnt even know we started yet, be back in a bit" because we werent scheduled to start the game when we did, i was a work, and just hurried a post up so i didnt get called out for not checking in..I have voted for 2 people now known to be others, and also called BS on king's fake seer reveal, and have also told you exactaly why my vote changed today to where it is now. i will confirm your ability, which clears you, and if you care to note, i refered to the fact that you were cleared to me about 100 posts ago when we started talking this morning. your logic is totally flawed, and to top it off, YOU DIDNT EVEN VOTE FOR ME!

Already explained why I didn't vote for you.

[Raiders Army]

Damn, I glanced at the second line and saw:

Swaggs(2177), Celeval(2178), Desmond(2181)

Was trying to type too fast and look too fast. Thought celeval and desmond voted for swaggs.

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE SALDANA

I am pretty sure you guys are the wolves.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, so RA are you going to tell us why your alarm bells are ringing right now for him? Other than him trying to throw suspicion on me if I didn't change my vote?

[pennywisesb]

haha, sorry, i didn't refresh the damn page. Let me catch up.

[saldana]

how about you post the fact that you just asked me how much i knew about the show, and i said next to nothing...5 days ago i wouldnt have known an Other from a Survivor if they fell out of the sky and landed on me....i opened my PM, saw i was a good guy, ran back to the thread on this colossaly shitty connection i am using, and checked in as the first thing that came out of my mouth....villager/survivor....same thing...you are way off man...way off.

[saldana]

and just to prove myself further, you believe swaggs is an other and bearcat isnt

unvote bearcat
vote swaggs

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

mckerney: no mention of survivor. Just checked in. We found out he had a special role.

Schmidty: just says I am here

bearcat: claimed to be a survivor...also seemed helpful

hoops: claimed to be a survivor

tanglewood: claims survivor

alant: just checks in

penny: claims survivor

kingfc: never claims survivor

kwhit: claims survivor

saldana: never mentions survivor

sndvls: never claims survivor (because he's not...he was the duke)

rpi: doesn't check in, just thanks sun for info

desnudo: also doesn't check in, just starts talking

grammaticus: claims survivor

swaggs: "I am here"

desmond: just starts talking

Check in vs. list of participants

Signed up:
1. Kwhit
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3.
3. Alan T lynched, day 3.
4. mckerney lynched, day 2.
5. Swaggs
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1.
7. spleen1015
8. Raiders Army
9. tanglewood/Path12
10. Schmidty
11. Desmond
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2.
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3.
14. Sndvls died at the hands of The Others, night 4.
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana
17. pennywisesb
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic
19. Celeval
20. kingfc22 lynched, day 4.
21. bearcat729

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by saldana

and just to prove myself further, you believe swaggs is an other and bearcat isnt

unvote bearcat
vote swaggs

I might be able to give you a bye since I'm not 100% sure. Once I got the PM from you, I was less certain.

Crap, crap, crap. I think I did a role reveal unnecessarily. Let me check this list real fast.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by saldana

checked in as the first thing that came out of my mouth....villager/survivor....same thing...you are way off man...way off.

Hmmmm...that is a possibility.

You know, right now I'm tired of trying to think of all of the possibilities by myself. What do the rest of you think about this? This is a feasible defense, IMHO. Wish I would've PMed this to you instead. Motherfu....

[Desnudo]

I think this is riveting. Post faster please.

[Raiders Army]

Then based on the stuff above, I have the following people as being an other or a special role...


Schmidty
Packer
Swaggs
Desmond
possibly saldana

[Raiders Army]

beer and thinking don't go well together right now.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE SWAGGS

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Okay...I'm going to do a reveal, since I think we're making a mistake on bearcat.

In a nutshell, I am Sayid. I can communicate with one person each day. Day 1 I talked to Blade, Day 2, hoops. On day 3 I talked to spleen. I will leave out day 4 since I did not tell saldana whom I talked to that day. I talked to saldana today. My alarm bells are ringing right now with him.

I went over what I talked to Blade about on day 1, and if you're a vet, you should know that sometimes he's pretty accurate.

His take on everyone on day 1 when everyone checked in:

mckerney: no mention of survivor. Just checked in. We found out he had a special role.

Schmidty: just says I am here

bearcat: claimed to be a survivor...also seemed helpful

hoops: claimed to be a survivor

tanglewood: claims survivor

alant: just checks in

penny: claims survivor

kingfc: never claims survivor

kwhit: claims survivor

saldana: never mentions survivor

sndvls: never claims survivor (because he's not...he was the duke)

rpi: doesn't check in, just thanks sun for info

desnudo: also doesn't check in, just starts talking

grammaticus: claims survivor

swaggs: "I am here"

desmond: just starts talking

I was just checking in.

I think if you check the voting records (for example, accusing and voting for AlanT early on Day 2, before momentum shifted away from him and continuing to accuse him into Day 3) and the information I have put out there (simple survivor clues mixed into my messages) and helped to create (aggressively questioning Blade and PackerFanatic--and pulling back off of PackerFanatic once I felt he answered well enoughand requesting that people don't vote for him), I should not be a suspect. I think (and hope) the other simple survivors out there can vouch for me.

I do not have any special abilities, but have tried to do my best to call suspects into question and push peoples' buttons to see how they will react.

[pennywisesb]

unvote path
vote Swaggs

Now we're getting somewhere. Well, RA you certainly cleared up the confusion I had on you earlier. I kept wondering why Blade kept putting you ahead of me when decided who was more trustworthy.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

beer and thinking don't go well together right now.

Beer goes well with everything (I'm having one myself right now).

I'll follow along for now.

UNVOTE BEARCAT

VOTE SWAGGS

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Hmmmm...that is a possibility.

You know, right now I'm tired of trying to think of all of the possibilities by myself. What do the rest of you think about this? This is a feasible defense, IMHO. Wish I would've PMed this to you instead. Motherfu....

of course its feasible, its the truth...hence my slight consternation at your accusation.

[KWhit]

Shit.

I don't have time to go back through and check the things I need to, but I remember at one time thinking Swaggs was okay... I don't know.

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE SALDANA

[Schmidty]

Those of you voting for Swaggs are making a huge mistake. HUGE.

[KWhit]

I gotta run for the night. Good luck.

If I'm wrong Saldana, I'm sorry dude.

[KWhit]

I think Swaggs is okay guys.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Those of you voting for Swaggs are making a huge mistake. HUGE.

Obviously Schmidty knows alot more than he's allowing us. This makes me think that Swaggs and him are tied together which means I'm not voting Swaggs afterall. I'll go with Saladana for now because it could be disasterous if my hunch is right and we could lose two people by lynching either Schmidty or Swaggs.

unvote swaggs
vote saldana

[Swaggs]

I don't even understand the case for voting against me? Maybe I am missing something with this communication between RA and saldana?

Anyone who has a night action saying that I am anything but a simple survivor is lying. My voting history is strongly against the others (1st day--Blade, 2nd day--Alan T (and an early vote, as well, that put him in a tie to be lynched), 3rd day--stated Alan T, but voted for SnDvls after he said he would choose Alan T, 4th day--saldana (who still isn't cleared in my mind), and today Bearcat).

[pennywisesb]

It'd make sense why Schmidty keeps mentioned the mistakes we could be making, just don't let me down schmidty.

[pennywisesb]

jees, this is like a freaking roller coaster ride!

[Celeval]

This is getting interesting. Glad my flight is delayed two hours so I can get online.

I need to do some checking here, this may turn out to be a much more interesting vote then I had thought.

[Schmidty]

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.

[Swaggs]

I am going to switch up, also. I hope it doesn't leave me open to momentum shifting vote, but I was voting Bearcat only because I thought someone may have discreetly discovered something about him and the people I trust were voting for him. I am going back to my vote from yesterday.

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.

crap.

last change then. If you are who I think you are, then I will go with you. If saldana turns out to be a survivor, then you're next.

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTES SALDANA

I gotta watch movie and then I'll be back to see the aftermath.

[pennywisesb]

I hope you're right. If Saldana turns out to be a survivor, Schmidty I'm coming after you.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, I'm off from work, I'll be on later tonight to see what happens. *Crosses fingers*

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.

right schmidty, i heard what you were saying earlier, and took my vote off you, i voted for king last night, and called his bs, the value of which should be obvious....would an other do any of those things?!

and since you told me to
unvote swaggs

dont really know who to vote for now, so i guess i will go back to
vote bearcat

for those of you still voting for me, you realize raiders doesnt even believe his own argument anymore.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I hope you're right. If Saldana turns out to be a survivor, Schmidty I'm coming after you.

Why? I could be wrong, and I wasn't the first person to vote for saldana. What's with the vendetta against me? Same thing goes for RA.

It's not like I am running the show. I just said that Swaggs is ok in my opinion.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by saldana

right schmidty, i heard what you were saying earlier, and took my vote off you, i voted for king last night, and called his bs, the value of which should be obvious....would an other do any of those things?!

and since you told me to
unvote swaggs

dont really know who to vote for now, so i guess i will go back to
vote bearcat

for those of you still voting for me, you realize raiders doesnt even believe his own argument anymore.

This whole game is giving me stomache aches. I really hope I'm right about you.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

This whole game is giving me stomache aches. I really hope I'm right about you.

you are not...i cant believe i am going to get lynched because i used the word villager instead of survivor while making a check in post from work where i am not even supposed to be online unless its my lunch break (which it isnt right now, and i have gotten no work done all night because of this nonsense)

[Celeval]

So, is this right so far?

2119 Saldana Vote Schmidty
2130 Path Vote Bearcat
2149 Packer Vote Bearcat
2152 Pennywise Vote Schmidty
2168 KWhit Vote Bearcat
2169 Schmidty Vote Bearcat
2174 Raiders Vote Bearcat
2177 Swaggs Vote Bearcat
2178 Celeval Vote Bearcat
2181 Desmond Vote Bearcat
2190 Saldana Vote Bearcat Unvote Schmidty
2192 Pennywise Unvote Schmidty
2203 Raiders Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2204 Path Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2210 Path Vote Bearcat Unvote Saldana
2216 Raiders Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2220 Saldana Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2226 Raiders Vote Swaggs Unvote Saldana
2228 Pennywise Vote Swaggs Unvote Path
2229 KWhit Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2231 KWhit Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2235 Pennywise Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2240 Schmidty Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2241 Swaggs Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2242 Raiders Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2245 Saldana Vote Bearcat Unvote Swaggs



Bearcat (5): Path, Packer, Celeval, Desmond, Saldana
Saldana (5): Pennywise, KWhit, Schmidty, Raiders, Swaggs,

[Celeval]

Votes outstanding: Bearcat, spleen (but nothing from spleen tonight)