Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 45

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

it is on my mind. i have thought about it.

however you have not been seer-scanned to date (seer and i have an established code in-thread to indicate results on all players), and thus your information is taken with a massive grain of salt.

whereas nfg is confirmed-good.

even if we lynch you and we're incorrect (because of a conversion) we are still able to add saldana to the CoT at that point, as well as lynch EagleFan. So it nets out being a 1:1 trade, plus we know NFG is converted at that point, so it becomes 2:1 in favor of the village.

This sounds like you're already apologizing for lynching a villegar.
"Oh, sorry we killed you, Passacaglia, but you see, NFG was confirmed good!"
Might as well just get it right the first time.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 03:56 PM

DT, let me ask you something.

If it so happens that I'm not able to convince people of my innocence in the coming days / I haven't been scanned, I was thinking of just sacrificing my ability. I feel like using it might distract the village whereas proving my innocence would perhaps point it in the right direction.

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Right, I remember, the soothsayer things. That seems like so long ago.

LOL. The first day seems like forever ago to me. Is it always like this in WW games?

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

LOL. The first day seems like forever ago to me. Is it always like this in WW games?

Depends on what kind of game it is. Sometimes there are runaways because of 100% believed evidence, and then there's games like this where no one seems to believe anything. For good reason, too.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Sorry, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep all the facts and reveals of information in order, I probably should be keeping a text file or something.

hahaha yeah -- nothing organizes data like a text file!

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

hahaha yeah -- nothing organizes data like a text file!

It helps me process. I don't need spreadsheets clogging information up.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 04:01 PM

You should see the text edit files that got produced during Labyrinth...

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

DT, let me ask you something.

If it so happens that I'm not able to convince people of my innocence in the coming days / I haven't been scanned, I was thinking of just sacrificing my ability. I feel like using it might distract the village whereas proving my innocence would perhaps point it in the right direction.

i can see the wisdom in that. it's certainly the "right" play to make going by the book, although it's difficult. it depends I guess on where you are as far as seer-scan priority when we get to that point.

if you made that play you'd certainly gain major "WW karma", but I don't think I'd necessarily ask you to make it. i wouldn't want that responsibility or level of micro-management.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

This sounds like you're already apologizing for lynching a villegar.
"Oh, sorry we killed you, Passacaglia, but you see, NFG was confirmed good!"
Might as well just get it right the first time.

not at all. just laying out the full picture

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 04:04 PM

i wonder if we'll get the lynch in on Pass before the weekend or if we have to listen to a full weekend of him squirming in the wolf-trap.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 04:04 PM

okay anyways - i'm leaving work. might be on my phone but it takes longer to respond on there, so nowhere near as many posts from me.

Autumn · 07-10-2009, 04:05 PM

Jackal, I don't know what your ability is but it's not like you're at the end of your game here. I don't think your tops on anybody's suspect list other than mine, but you are on the suspect list so seems like you could hang on and hope to get scanned instead, if your ability would be better used later.

The last thing we need is everybody wasting their abilities at this point.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Jackal, I don't know what your ability is but it's not like you're at the end of your game here. I don't think your tops on anybody's suspect list other than mine, but you are on the suspect list so seems like you could hang on and hope to get scanned instead, if your ability would be better used later.

The last thing we need is everybody wasting their abilities at this point.

It was definitely a question for the future, and I hope I never have to make the decision.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i wonder if we'll get the lynch in on Pass before the weekend or if we have to listen to a full weekend of him squirming in the wolf-trap.

You guys had better hope you get the whole weekend to think about this more clearly!

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 04:11 PM

Seriously, the set-up here is pretty obvious -- it should be easy to spot.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 04:13 PM

I guess it's too late to get DT on this now, but I'm going to guess that NFG knew he was trusted by DT, and that's why he was the one to point the finger at me. Also, why did EF not get any traction in the votes after I pointed him out? Probably cuz a good portion of them are wolves.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 04:15 PM

Does our government really employ "soothsayers", btw?

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 04:24 PM

The game will be paused tonight no earlier than 10 and no later than 12. The wiggle room is based on:
A. How tired I get
B. How likely there is to be an action

Just wanted to put that out there as I've seen some confusion about it.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 04:25 PM

FYI I'll be gone from 7:00ish until I don't really know when this evening.

Alan T · 07-10-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Sorry, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep all the facts and reveals of information in order, I probably should be keeping a text file or something.

I've been keeping a text file of all important notes of the game as they pertain to me.

Thomkal · 07-10-2009, 04:35 PM

Okay I'm back for about a half hour and see I have a lot to catch up on, not sure I'll get to the end before I have to go again. So bear with me if there's any questions you had for me while I was gone.

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 04:40 PM

I will just point out that quoting GM messages to you verbatim is not allowed.

Poli · 07-10-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I will just point out that quoting GM messages to you verbatim is not allowed.

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

If you insist...

You are the clock. As the clock your role is to post menacing/ominous beeps/ticks during the game. This should be done to provide extra tension and/or allow for commercial breaks.

!!

Poli · 07-10-2009, 05:00 PM

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

Thomkal · 07-10-2009, 05:17 PM

okay I've caught up and I can safely say this is one of the craziest days in WW history. I thought we were on to something when Pass used his soothsayer power on EagleFan. That reveal then from nfg about Pass was shocking and his subsequent lock up by the FBI was confusing. Not sure which one to believe at this point, but after not trusting Danny's info yesterday, I'm not going to make that mistake twice. So I will trust that DT has some info about nfg and others that makes him believe his reveal and....

vote passacaglia

I wil now be away from the computer again for about an hour or so.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

bravo!!!

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 05:20 PM

Lynch with post 2229.

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 05:25 PM

It was a day false starts followed by many a stop. In the end Jack takes charge. He takes his gun out, aims, and shoots Pass in the head. People are stunned. But a search reveals that this was the right action to take. As Jonas Hodges, he was most definitely aiding the Conspiracy.

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Welcome to the Conspiracy. As Jonas Hodges, twice during the game you may imprison a player for eight hours. While a player is in prison they will not be able to take an actions, including voting or PM'ing.

Note that Jack's involvement is moderator color only.

Final vote tally:
Thomkal: henry (1711 9:35 pm) saldana (1758; 10:33 pm) ntn (1762, 10:35 pm)
Pass: EF (2052 1:45 pm) DT (2057, 1:45 pm) Jackal (2062, 1:46 PM) PB: (2109 2:00) Isidiqui (2143 2:23 pm) Autumn (2148 2:38 pm) Schmidty (2161 2:58 pm) king (2184 3:36 pm) thomkal (2229 5:17 pm)
EF: Pass (1986, 1:05 pm)

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 05:26 PM

Alright!! That's the second wolf we got!

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 05:29 PM

Btw, like Jack's involvement as well

.

Especially as he was the push for the lynching.

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 05:30 PM

Good stuff.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 05:32 PM

Two down.

Autumn · 07-10-2009, 05:40 PM

Nice, well despite the confusion I'm glad we listened. Guess that clears up the prison thing.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 05:44 PM

I *told* you! Oh, wait.

Autumn · 07-10-2009, 05:51 PM

I'll probably be out for a while, time to put the kids to bed. I think we've got a lot to go on now but probably better to see how things play out before we say too much.

ntndeacon · 07-10-2009, 06:20 PM

does that mean we will get nfg out early. I am making an assumption it was Pass that confined him.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 06:40 PM

awesome! great way to head into the weekend!!

thanks for trusting me everyone.

of note - this should call into question Pass' clearing of Saldana (he may have been lying to try to slip a wolf into the CoT or he may have been telling the truth to try to buy trust). It also calls EagleFan into question for the same reasons.

Obviously Occam's Razor would say that Saldana is evil and EagleFan is good, but Pass is a crafty player and I could see him reversing that. We'll have to see.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 06:41 PM

wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*

kingfc22 · 07-10-2009, 06:42 PM

Sweet. Still not liking how I have to use DT for any and all actions, but we got the result none the less

path12 · 07-10-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*

I don't think Pass was one of the Telle voters but I'd have to check to be sure. Good call with nfg.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal

Nope, Pass was on Jackal.

kingfc22 · 07-10-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

If we are to believe henry:

These are the remaining suspects:
3. TheJackal
7. Autumn
8. Schmidty
14. ISiddiqui
19. Kingfc22 - I know i'm good
20. Thomkal
24. eaglefan

High trust:
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
12. BrianD - Recovering from torture
16. ntndeacon
13. nfg22

Mid to High:
23. henry296

Mid Trust with henry's info:
10. PurdueBrad - clear
17. Saldana - clear
22. path12 - clear

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*

Nope. Henry is still good.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Sweet. Still not liking how I have to use DT for any and all actions, but we got the result none the less

you don't have to use me...i'm just not fully disclosing all the nitty gritty. but that's good - it's keeping our seer hidden. i mean i could assume the wolves know who it is since they had CR looking no doubt, but i don't want to assume that. i've already told you all that they've told me...i'm just not telling you all all the details of everything in order to keep them hidden and keep all your powers hidden.

the more people inside the CoT that i reveal are NOT the seer the smaller the wolves' pool of choices is. so i'm trying to keep everyone's powers obscured because of that.

i didn't jump down your throat for what you did to nfg, did i? i would have told you not to if we had PM's still obviously...but it's not like you killed a member of the CoT. no harm, no foul.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 06:53 PM

thanks for looking at that guys - i've got a tiny bit of a headache growing.

i'm going to steal that list and modify it according to what i know King.

kingfc22 · 07-10-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

thanks for looking at that guys - i've got a tiny bit of a headache growing.

i'm going to steal that list and modify it according to what i know King.

Do what you got to do Jack.

Two in a row ain't bad.

saldana · 07-10-2009, 07:04 PM

wow..this real time thing is the most off the hook mechanic ever...i thought i would finally be able to be in the thread for the lynch, and i still missed it.

as far as my soothed clear, i though path was the soothsayer, not pass?

i have not been able to pay nearly enough attention to this game...way too many things are changing way too fast.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 07:04 PM

No Verified Trust
TheJackal
Autumn
ISiddiqui
Thomkal

Questionable due to Passacaglia
eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil)
saldana (pass claimed he was good)

Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc)
kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg)
path12

High trust:
DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
BrianD
ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf)
nfg22
PurdueBrad
henry296
Schmidty

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

wow..this real time thing is the most off the hook mechanic ever...i thought i would finally be able to be in the thread for the lynch, and i still missed it.

as far as my soothed clear, i though path was the soothsayer, not pass?

i have not been able to pay nearly enough attention to this game...way too many things are changing way too fast.

Nope - Pass "claimed" to be the soothsayer. Path claims to be something else.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

No Verified Trust
TheJackal
Autumn
ISiddiqui
Thomkal

Questionable due to Passacaglia
eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil)
saldana (pass claimed he was good)

Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc)
kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg)
path12

High trust:
DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
BrianD
ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf)
nfg22
PurdueBrad
henry296
Schmidty

Couple notes about this: This list DOES NOT take Henry's list into account despite the fact that he is high-trust. To take Henry's list into account COMBINED with my list, disregard Saldana and Path12 as potential wolves.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Couple notes about this: This list DOES NOT take Henry's list into account despite the fact that he is high-trust. To take Henry's list into account COMBINED with my list, disregard Saldana and Path12 as potential wolves.

Wouldn't you assume that since Pass claimed that EagleFan was bad that EagleFan is in fact good instead?

I know it's not 100%, but it's way above 75% in my book.

07-10-2009, 04:04 PM	#2210
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i wonder if we'll get the lynch in on Pass before the weekend or if we have to listen to a full weekend of him squirming in the wolf-trap. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 04:04 PM	#2211
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay anyways - i'm leaving work. might be on my phone but it takes longer to respond on there, so nowhere near as many posts from me. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 05:00 PM	#2224
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Beep, beep, beep, beep... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-10-2009, 05:26 PM	#2229
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Alright!! That's the second wolf we got! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-10-2009, 05:29 PM	#2230
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Btw, like Jack's involvement as well . Especially as he was the push for the lynching. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-10-2009, 03:56 PM	#2202
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	DT, let me ask you something. If it so happens that I'm not able to convince people of my innocence in the coming days / I haven't been scanned, I was thinking of just sacrificing my ability. I feel like using it might distract the village whereas proving my innocence would perhaps point it in the right direction.

07-10-2009, 04:01 PM	#2207
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You should see the text edit files that got produced during Labyrinth...

07-10-2009, 04:05 PM	#2212
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Jackal, I don't know what your ability is but it's not like you're at the end of your game here. I don't think your tops on anybody's suspect list other than mine, but you are on the suspect list so seems like you could hang on and hope to get scanned instead, if your ability would be better used later. The last thing we need is everybody wasting their abilities at this point.

07-10-2009, 04:11 PM	#2215
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Seriously, the set-up here is pretty obvious -- it should be easy to spot.

07-10-2009, 04:13 PM	#2216
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I guess it's too late to get DT on this now, but I'm going to guess that NFG knew he was trusted by DT, and that's why he was the one to point the finger at me. Also, why did EF not get any traction in the votes after I pointed him out? Probably cuz a good portion of them are wolves.

07-10-2009, 04:15 PM	#2217
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Does our government really employ "soothsayers", btw?

07-10-2009, 04:24 PM	#2218
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The game will be paused tonight no earlier than 10 and no later than 12. The wiggle room is based on: A. How tired I get B. How likely there is to be an action Just wanted to put that out there as I've seen some confusion about it.

07-10-2009, 04:25 PM	#2219
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	FYI I'll be gone from 7:00ish until I don't really know when this evening.

07-10-2009, 04:35 PM	#2221
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Okay I'm back for about a half hour and see I have a lot to catch up on, not sure I'll get to the end before I have to go again. So bear with me if there's any questions you had for me while I was gone.

07-10-2009, 04:40 PM	#2222
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I will just point out that quoting GM messages to you verbatim is not allowed.

07-10-2009, 05:17 PM	#2225
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	okay I've caught up and I can safely say this is one of the craziest days in WW history. I thought we were on to something when Pass used his soothsayer power on EagleFan. That reveal then from nfg about Pass was shocking and his subsequent lock up by the FBI was confusing. Not sure which one to believe at this point, but after not trusting Danny's info yesterday, I'm not going to make that mistake twice. So I will trust that DT has some info about nfg and others that makes him believe his reveal and.... vote passacaglia I wil now be away from the computer again for about an hour or so.

07-10-2009, 05:20 PM	#2227
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch with post 2229.

07-10-2009, 05:30 PM	#2231
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Good stuff.

07-10-2009, 05:32 PM	#2232
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Two down.

07-10-2009, 05:40 PM	#2233
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Nice, well despite the confusion I'm glad we listened. Guess that clears up the prison thing.

07-10-2009, 05:44 PM	#2234
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I told you! Oh, wait.

07-10-2009, 05:51 PM	#2235
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'll probably be out for a while, time to put the kids to bed. I think we've got a lot to go on now but probably better to see how things play out before we say too much.

07-10-2009, 06:20 PM	#2236
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	does that mean we will get nfg out early. I am making an assumption it was Pass that confined him.

07-10-2009, 06:40 PM	#2237
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	awesome! great way to head into the weekend!! thanks for trusting me everyone. of note - this should call into question Pass' clearing of Saldana (he may have been lying to try to slip a wolf into the CoT or he may have been telling the truth to try to buy trust). It also calls EagleFan into question for the same reasons. Obviously Occam's Razor would say that Saldana is evil and EagleFan is good, but Pass is a crafty player and I could see him reversing that. We'll have to see. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 06:41 PM	#2238
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? forgetting __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 06:42 PM	#2239
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Sweet. Still not liking how I have to use DT for any and all actions, but we got the result none the less __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-10-2009, 06:53 PM	#2244
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	thanks for looking at that guys - i've got a tiny bit of a headache growing. i'm going to steal that list and modify it according to what i know King. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 07:04 PM	#2246
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	wow..this real time thing is the most off the hook mechanic ever...i thought i would finally be able to be in the thread for the lynch, and i still missed it. as far as my soothed clear, i though path was the soothsayer, not pass? i have not been able to pay nearly enough attention to this game...way too many things are changing way too fast.

07-10-2009, 07:04 PM	#2247
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	No Verified Trust TheJackal Autumn ISiddiqui Thomkal Questionable due to Passacaglia eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil) saldana (pass claimed he was good) Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc) kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg) path12 High trust: DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer BrianD ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf) nfg22 PurdueBrad henry296 Schmidty __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

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