The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Page 441

EagleFan · 03-21-2020, 12:37 PM

Good lord is it painful listening to that clown speak. Even though I disagree with much of what Pence stands for he can at least speak in public without sounding like an 8th grader giving an oral book report.

Also, Chinese Virus? Really?

PilotMan · 03-21-2020, 07:20 PM

How different could things be right now if we had a reliable test in early Feb and could have started using it right away?

Edward64 · 03-21-2020, 07:33 PM

I watched the last part of the news conference and that Fauci is a talented guy. He knows how to say Trump is full of BS without saying Trump is full of BS.

Still my Person of the Year (US version) right now.

albionmoonlight · 03-21-2020, 07:40 PM

Short-term thinking plagues Trump’s coronavirus response - POLITICO

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Remember to vote against the GOP in every election at every level of government until the end of time.

I could see how, in fifty years or so, you might be tempted.

Don't give in.

Brian Swartz · 03-21-2020, 08:24 PM

I vote for the person as much as the party.

In other words, I didn't consider voting Trump for a second.

Edward64 · 03-22-2020, 10:53 AM

Cuomo is doing a much better job than Trump in his news conference.

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 10:57 AM

At this point, they should do the thing where they let Pence and the doctors give the news conferences and just show Trump the news stories saying he's doing a good job and keeping him from feeling like he needs to say or do things.

Galaril · 03-22-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

Cuomo is doing a much better job than Trump in his news conference.

Yes truly great display of leadership.

Thomkal · 03-22-2020, 04:59 PM

Rand Paul, one of eight senators to vote against the corona relief bill has karma bite him in the ass. Of course he got tested without any of the symptoms:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/polit...rus/index.html

Edward64 · 03-22-2020, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Rand Paul, one of eight senators to vote against the corona relief bill has karma bit him in the ass. Of course he got tested without any of the symptoms:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/polit...rus/index.html

Harvey Weinstein apparently has it too. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

JPhillips · 03-22-2020, 05:44 PM

Trump's shot at Romney was gross.

Lathum · 03-22-2020, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump's shot at Romney was gross.

It is the completely unnecessary shit like this that makes him such a horrible human being, among many other things of course.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 05:51 PM

I'm going to be the devil's advocate here for why I don't think testing Congress folks is a big deal.

A) These are the one hundred men and women that make up one-sixth (half of one third) of our ruling government. A pandemic taking them out would be crippling to the nation.

B ) because of the natural herd nature of Congress, if one asymptomatic carrier spends a week in close proximity, to other Congresscritters, then it will spread VERY rapidly. Close proximity, like, say hammering out a $2 Trillion stimulus.

C) Members of government are generally what's called "rapid spreaders" meaning that they can be the infection point for many many people (especially with the nature of fundraising trips and "pressing the flesh"). Finally, in this specific case,

D) Rand Paul is specifically at risk for COVID-19, as he already has lung capacity issues (due to his previous issues). They would REALLY need to be careful with him, for reasons A-C.

I think this should push toward remote voting, but we'll see if that happens. (Protip: It won't. the lobbyists like having everyone in one place)

RainMaker · 03-22-2020, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'm going to be the devil's advocate here for why I don't think testing Congress folks is a big deal.

A) These are the one hundred men and women that make up one-sixth (half of one third) of our ruling government. A pandemic taking them out would be crippling to the nation.

B ) because of the natural herd nature of Congress, if one asymptomatic carrier spends a week in close proximity, to other Congresscritters, then it will spread VERY rapidly. Close proximity, like, say hammering out a $2 Trillion stimulus.

C) Members of government are generally what's called "rapid spreaders" meaning that they can be the infection point for many many people (especially with the nature of fundraising trips and "pressing the flesh"). Finally, in this specific case,

D) Rand Paul is specifically at risk for COVID-19, as he already has lung capacity issues (due to his previous issues). They would REALLY need to be careful with him, for reasons A-C.

I think this should push toward remote voting, but we'll see if that happens. (Protip: It won't. the lobbyists like having everyone in one place)

I think the issue is that the people who are responsible for the shortage in tests are the one's getting it.

cuervo72 · 03-22-2020, 06:01 PM

So, he's going off now on how he wasn't thanked for not taking a salary (and at the same time seemed to up that salary to $450k).

Jas_lov · 03-22-2020, 06:19 PM

He really needs to let Pence handle these and just stay in his bed. Too bad Cuomo isn't in charge nationally.

BishopMVP · 03-22-2020, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

He really needs to let Pence handle these and just stay in his bed. Too bad Cuomo isn't in charge nationally.

Almost anyone would be better than Trump, but New York appears to be the biggest potential disaster zone right now. Granted there are things endemic to NYC (large population, tons of visitors in/out, people actually use mass transit & streets are crowded), but I think clearly that is another state that was behind the curve early on. Cailfornia (and the Bay Area) went draconian earlier, Ohio seems to have, Massachusetts & Washington state seem to have had very good responses considering they were at the leading edge.

sterlingice · 03-22-2020, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'm going to be the devil's advocate here for why I don't think testing Congress folks is a big deal.

A) These are the one hundred men and women that make up one-sixth (half of one third) of our ruling government. A pandemic taking them out would be crippling to the nation.

B ) because of the natural herd nature of Congress, if one asymptomatic carrier spends a week in close proximity, to other Congresscritters, then it will spread VERY rapidly. Close proximity, like, say hammering out a $2 Trillion stimulus.

C) Members of government are generally what's called "rapid spreaders" meaning that they can be the infection point for many many people (especially with the nature of fundraising trips and "pressing the flesh"). Finally, in this specific case,

D) Rand Paul is specifically at risk for COVID-19, as he already has lung capacity issues (due to his previous issues). They would REALLY need to be careful with him, for reasons A-C.

I think this should push toward remote voting, but we'll see if that happens. (Protip: It won't. the lobbyists like having everyone in one place)

I'm ok with testing major members of the government, much as I dislike many of them, especially right now.

SI

Edward64 · 03-22-2020, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

He really needs to let Pence handle these and just stay in his bed. Too bad Cuomo isn't in charge nationally.

I don't know what Biden has been up to but they need to find a way to get him in the public view.

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 06:44 PM

Senate Dems showing uncharacteristic spine, rejecting GOP proposal because it does not contain enough job protections.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 06:46 PM

it needed 60 votes, and with 5 (?) GOP Senators in self-quarantine (or in Rand Paul's case actively being treated), it failed 47-47.

Seems like the Turtle tried to smash it through but didn't read the room too well.

thesloppy · 03-22-2020, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I don't know what Biden has been up to but they need to find a way to get him in the public view.

Biden says he will broadcast regular coronavirus briefings | TheHill

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 06:53 PM

I have not seen the details, so I really don't know who has the better argument in terms of what would be a better bill. I'm just surprised that McConnell said "Jump" and the Dems didn't ask "How high?" A real change from how things have been.

RainMaker · 03-22-2020, 06:55 PM

A $500 billion slush fund for companies with no oversight seems like a bad idea.

BishopMVP · 03-22-2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I have not seen the details, so I really don't know who has the better argument in terms of what would be a better bill. I'm just surprised that McConnell said "Jump" and the Dems didn't ask "How high?" A real change from how things have been.

Probably would've been better if they would've introduced their own House bill at the same time. Most Americans will only care about the $1,000 checks, and this looks like the Democrats delaying that.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 07:01 PM

This is how Politico's reporter tweeted it out: (pretty factual from what I can tell)

Special edition of PLAYBOOK to keep you up to date on where things are stand on Capitol Hill.

IF YOU WERE COUNTING ON WASHINGTON to come together quickly and without drama to combat the coronavirus, you haven’t been reading Playbook, and you’ve probably been ignoring reality.

THE SENATE failed to clear a key procedural hurdle tonight on the massive $1.6-trillion coronavirus package, a major blow to the government's efforts to immediately inject money into the economy during this global health crisis.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER (N.Y.) held the entire Democratic caucus against the measure after two days of marathon negotiations. The motion failed, 47-47.

REPUBLICANS are calling the Democrats’ efforts irresponsible -- they blamed Speaker NANCY PELOSI. Democrats say Senate Majority Leader MITCH MCCONNELL (R-Ky.) didn’t accede to their demands.

DEMS: The main issue is a $500bn “slush fund” that is aimed at helping companies that have suffered due to the economic slowdown. Ds say it has little oversight and does not help workers.

They also say MNUCHIN would have too much influence over the disbursement of the money with insufficient oversight.

DEMOCRATS believe they now have tremendous leverage to change the package. Negotiations will continue, of course. But if they don’t make discernable progress before the U.S. stock exchange opens tomorrow, they could be in for a very tumultuous day.

BUT SUNDAY’S VOTE was a blow to McConnell, who had wanted to have final passage on the legislation on Monday. That timetable is in serious jeopardy at this point.

CHOOSE YOUR NEWS: MCCONNELL seemed especially irate at PELOSI, and said she’s the speaker of the House, not the Senate -- suggesting she scuttled the negotiations late in the process.

BUT: SCHUMER and PELOSI called for direct negotiations between congressional leaders early on, and MCCONNELL resisted.

NEW REPORTING: HOUSE Rs have encountered some resistance from lawmakers who do not want to allow the House to UC the Senate, and would prefer a vote of some sort. ONE LAWMAKER can mess this up. GOP LEADERSHIP believes they can soften the opposition.

RainMaker · 03-22-2020, 07:07 PM

Giving control of this fund to Mnuchin, who ran a fraudulent bank, seems like a bad idea too.

sterlingice · 03-22-2020, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

it needed 60 votes, and with 5 (?) GOP Senators in self-quarantine (or in Rand Paul's case actively being treated), it failed 47-47.

Seems like the Turtle tried to smash it through but didn't read the room too well.

He's not usually one to do something like this. He has a plan. He always has a(n evil) plan.

SI

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 07:48 PM

So the Dems can point out that the two big sticking points are that they want the companies to commit to not reducing payroll and that they don't want to give this guy access to a half-trillion dollars of taxpayer money with no oversight:

That's a winnable hand if they want to play it . . .

BishopMVP · 03-22-2020, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

This is how Politico's reporter tweeted it out: (pretty factual from what I can tell)
...
DEMOCRATS believe they now have tremendous leverage to change the package. Negotiations will continue, of course. But if they don’t make discernable progress before the U.S. stock exchange opens tomorrow, they could be in for a very tumultuous day.

I realize this reporter seems a little over the top, but what gives Democrats the idea they have "tremendous" leverage now? The Republicans proposed a bill that (had other problems with it) but also offered every American $1000 in a time of national uncertainty, and the Democrats voted it down without offering up an alternative of their own. That's an oversimplification, but that's exactly how it will be received by many voters the longer this drags out.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 07:53 PM

Basically that Trump owns the economy, and that the message that Republicans are screwing over Joe Average to give bailouts to their buddies is a winning one, I guess.

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 07:54 PM

The Dems need to have a competing bill ready by tomorrow morning.

They control one house of Congress, so I don't see why they could not just pass one and make the narrative about the Senate taking that bill up.

Jas_lov · 03-22-2020, 08:05 PM

Maybe McConnell thought Dems didn't have the guts to vote against it. They should have been working with Pelosi from the start instead of the Senate GOP writing their own bill. Why not just vote on the stimulus checks, unemployment and small business relief in one bill immediately? Save the large corporate bailouts for later.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 08:10 PM

because then they wouldn't have a hostage to threaten for the corporate bailouts.

albionmoonlight · 03-22-2020, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Maybe McConnell thought Dems didn't have the guts to vote against it. They should have been working with Pelosi from the start instead of the Senate GOP writing their own bill. Why not just vote on the stimulus checks, unemployment and small business relief in one bill immediately? Save the large corporate bailouts for later.

That makes sense, but if you are in favor of the corporate bailouts, you want them attached to goodies. I don't know if they would pass on their own.

Brian Swartz · 03-22-2020, 08:20 PM

Can someone explain to me how the Senate gets to start this anyway? I know the House didn't want to be around until there was something for them to vote on, but is it just because Republicans want to craft something Trump would sign and then get it passed or whatever? I know we don't always follow such things but the Constitution does still hold that all spending bills must originate in the people's House.

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 08:23 PM

Basically, this vote was a "we're going to take this bill, throw all the text out, and replace it with this" It somewhat gets around that rule.

RainMaker · 03-22-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Yes truly great display of leadership.

Cuomo delayed the shelter-in-place order because of a spat with the Mayor. He just looks better because he's being compared to people who fucked up even worse.

sterlingice · 03-22-2020, 08:44 PM

I have no idea what the context of that picture is, but I'm guessing that's not Ernie Johnson in the background.

SI

bronconick · 03-22-2020, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Trump hurts himself whenever he gets behind that podium.

So why do they keep putting him there? Why not have Pence and the medical professionals give the briefing?

My New Conspiracy Theory:

The GOP establishment (McConnell, etc.) have decided that 2020 is a lost cause. So they want Trump to become the focus for all of the negative feelings. They want him out there being more and more of a fool. They are not going to protect him from himself.

And they will lose in 2020--possibly the Senate as well as the House and White House. But then the Dems are going to take over a country in a deep recession at best and possibly in a depression and ongoing pandemic at worst.

And, in 2022, the GOP will be rebranded as Trump-less and the solution to all of your problems.

Is that true? I have no idea. But it might be the best play for a bad hand. And McConnell is nothing if not a ruthless and shrewd politician.

Trump is up there every day because he can't have his rallies and this is his outlet right now.

BillyMadison · 03-22-2020, 10:10 PM

Very interesting conversation going on Twitter about how, if self-quarantine continues to disproportionate effects Republican Senators, they can lose control. Could put the 300+ bills being prevented to hit the floor by Moscow Mitch in play. And of course it was Turtle McConnell who denied voting any other way but in person. You know he'd usurp control if the roles were reversed.

There's a good chance the McConnell will lose control of the Senate over the coming hours because of self-quarantines. Rs currently have a 1-vote majority, but more quarantines, disproportionately impacted the Rs, are expected.
— David Segal (@DavidSegalRI) March 22, 2020

SirFozzie · 03-22-2020, 11:08 PM

And the next step of the turtle's plan is to hold a revote at 9:45 (15 minutes after the markets open, and probably after the first circuit breaker is tripped)

It's gonna suck, here's hoping the D's won't cave.

Lathum · 03-23-2020, 06:57 AM

Trump is going batshit insane and looks like as the economy gets worse he is going to push to try and get back to normal. What a disaster

WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

Lathum · 03-23-2020, 06:57 AM

dola- he is also going after every media outlet

I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

albionmoonlight · 03-23-2020, 07:02 AM

The Russian twitter troll farms are certainly getting their overtime this morning. I guess every economic downturn will still have its winners.

Lathum · 03-23-2020, 07:08 AM

He is now retweeting things from his usual trolls such as "flatten the curve, not the economy"

I think the Fauci interview has set him off.

PilotMan · 03-23-2020, 07:42 AM

I don't think he understands how an 'economy' works.

albionmoonlight · 03-23-2020, 07:54 AM

The thing is, November is still a while off in our warp-speed media ecosystem. If Trump were willing to take some more short term pain this Spring, then things would probably be better by November. But the more half-assed he handles this now, the more of a chance it really will still be bad come November.

But his brain just cannot think long term enough to understand a difference between today and next month (let alone months from now).

Butter · 03-23-2020, 07:57 AM

I think Trump has been positioning himself to give all the blame to the states for any of the response issues. Thus the statement that states need to handle getting supplies for themselves, no national pronouncements about quarantine or distancing (which many of his ardent supporters HATE), and general lack of concern.

He's trying to seem like a leader to the national economy, but is not leading any of the response to the disease itself. Not sure how you can have it both ways, but he's trying.

Lathum · 03-23-2020, 08:03 AM

This is going like everything else he has done. His supporters are defending him ardently, claiming he gets a 10/10 and not blaming him or holding him accountable despite mountains of evidence. The rest of us know he is full of shit.

I would say the one difference is FOX News isn't sucking him off quite as much as usual.

03-21-2020, 12:37 PM	#22001
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Good lord is it painful listening to that clown speak. Even though I disagree with much of what Pence stands for he can at least speak in public without sounding like an 8th grader giving an oral book report. Also, Chinese Virus? Really? __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

03-21-2020, 07:20 PM	#22002
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	How different could things be right now if we had a reliable test in early Feb and could have started using it right away? __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

03-22-2020, 04:59 PM	#22009
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Rand Paul, one of eight senators to vote against the corona relief bill has karma bite him in the ass. Of course he got tested without any of the symptoms: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/polit...rus/index.html __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 03-22-2020 at 05:06 PM.

03-22-2020, 05:44 PM	#22011
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Trump's shot at Romney was gross. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-22-2020, 05:51 PM	#22013
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	I'm going to be the devil's advocate here for why I don't think testing Congress folks is a big deal. A) These are the one hundred men and women that make up one-sixth (half of one third) of our ruling government. A pandemic taking them out would be crippling to the nation. B ) because of the natural herd nature of Congress, if one asymptomatic carrier spends a week in close proximity, to other Congresscritters, then it will spread VERY rapidly. Close proximity, like, say hammering out a $2 Trillion stimulus. C) Members of government are generally what's called "rapid spreaders" meaning that they can be the infection point for many many people (especially with the nature of fundraising trips and "pressing the flesh"). Finally, in this specific case, D) Rand Paul is specifically at risk for COVID-19, as he already has lung capacity issues (due to his previous issues). They would REALLY need to be careful with him, for reasons A-C. I think this should push toward remote voting, but we'll see if that happens. (Protip: It won't. the lobbyists like having everyone in one place) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-21-2020, 07:33 PM	#22003
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	I watched the last part of the news conference and that Fauci is a talented guy. He knows how to say Trump is full of BS without saying Trump is full of BS. Still my Person of the Year (US version) right now.

03-21-2020, 07:40 PM	#22004
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Short-term thinking plagues Trump’s coronavirus response - POLITICO Attention Required! \| Cloudflare Remember to vote against the GOP in every election at every level of government until the end of time. I could see how, in fifty years or so, you might be tempted. Don't give in.

03-21-2020, 08:24 PM	#22005
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	I vote for the person as much as the party. In other words, I didn't consider voting Trump for a second.

03-22-2020, 10:53 AM	#22006
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Cuomo is doing a much better job than Trump in his news conference.

03-22-2020, 10:57 AM	#22007
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	At this point, they should do the thing where they let Pence and the doctors give the news conferences and just show Trump the news stories saying he's doing a good job and keeping him from feeling like he needs to say or do things.

03-22-2020, 06:01 PM	#22015
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	So, he's going off now on how he wasn't thanked for not taking a salary (and at the same time seemed to up that salary to $450k). __________________ null

03-22-2020, 06:19 PM	#22016
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	He really needs to let Pence handle these and just stay in his bed. Too bad Cuomo isn't in charge nationally.

03-22-2020, 06:44 PM	#22020
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Senate Dems showing uncharacteristic spine, rejecting GOP proposal because it does not contain enough job protections.

03-22-2020, 06:46 PM	#22021
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	it needed 60 votes, and with 5 (?) GOP Senators in self-quarantine (or in Rand Paul's case actively being treated), it failed 47-47. Seems like the Turtle tried to smash it through but didn't read the room too well. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-22-2020, 06:53 PM	#22023
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I have not seen the details, so I really don't know who has the better argument in terms of what would be a better bill. I'm just surprised that McConnell said "Jump" and the Dems didn't ask "How high?" A real change from how things have been.

03-22-2020, 06:55 PM	#22024
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	A $500 billion slush fund for companies with no oversight seems like a bad idea.

03-22-2020, 07:01 PM	#22026
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	This is how Politico's reporter tweeted it out: (pretty factual from what I can tell) Special edition of PLAYBOOK to keep you up to date on where things are stand on Capitol Hill. IF YOU WERE COUNTING ON WASHINGTON to come together quickly and without drama to combat the coronavirus, you haven’t been reading Playbook, and you’ve probably been ignoring reality. THE SENATE failed to clear a key procedural hurdle tonight on the massive $1.6-trillion coronavirus package, a major blow to the government's efforts to immediately inject money into the economy during this global health crisis. SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER (N.Y.) held the entire Democratic caucus against the measure after two days of marathon negotiations. The motion failed, 47-47. REPUBLICANS are calling the Democrats’ efforts irresponsible -- they blamed Speaker NANCY PELOSI. Democrats say Senate Majority Leader MITCH MCCONNELL (R-Ky.) didn’t accede to their demands. DEMS: The main issue is a $500bn “slush fund” that is aimed at helping companies that have suffered due to the economic slowdown. Ds say it has little oversight and does not help workers. They also say MNUCHIN would have too much influence over the disbursement of the money with insufficient oversight. DEMOCRATS believe they now have tremendous leverage to change the package. Negotiations will continue, of course. But if they don’t make discernable progress before the U.S. stock exchange opens tomorrow, they could be in for a very tumultuous day. BUT SUNDAY’S VOTE was a blow to McConnell, who had wanted to have final passage on the legislation on Monday. That timetable is in serious jeopardy at this point. CHOOSE YOUR NEWS: MCCONNELL seemed especially irate at PELOSI, and said she’s the speaker of the House, not the Senate -- suggesting she scuttled the negotiations late in the process. BUT: SCHUMER and PELOSI called for direct negotiations between congressional leaders early on, and MCCONNELL resisted. NEW REPORTING: HOUSE Rs have encountered some resistance from lawmakers who do not want to allow the House to UC the Senate, and would prefer a vote of some sort. ONE LAWMAKER can mess this up. GOP LEADERSHIP believes they can soften the opposition. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-22-2020, 07:07 PM	#22027
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Giving control of this fund to Mnuchin, who ran a fraudulent bank, seems like a bad idea too.

03-22-2020, 07:48 PM	#22029
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	So the Dems can point out that the two big sticking points are that they want the companies to commit to not reducing payroll and that they don't want to give this guy access to a half-trillion dollars of taxpayer money with no oversight: That's a winnable hand if they want to play it . . .

03-22-2020, 07:53 PM	#22031
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Basically that Trump owns the economy, and that the message that Republicans are screwing over Joe Average to give bailouts to their buddies is a winning one, I guess. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-22-2020, 07:54 PM	#22032
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The Dems need to have a competing bill ready by tomorrow morning. They control one house of Congress, so I don't see why they could not just pass one and make the narrative about the Senate taking that bill up.

03-22-2020, 08:05 PM	#22033
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Maybe McConnell thought Dems didn't have the guts to vote against it. They should have been working with Pelosi from the start instead of the Senate GOP writing their own bill. Why not just vote on the stimulus checks, unemployment and small business relief in one bill immediately? Save the large corporate bailouts for later.

03-22-2020, 08:10 PM	#22034
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	because then they wouldn't have a hostage to threaten for the corporate bailouts. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-22-2020, 08:20 PM	#22036
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Can someone explain to me how the Senate gets to start this anyway? I know the House didn't want to be around until there was something for them to vote on, but is it just because Republicans want to craft something Trump would sign and then get it passed or whatever? I know we don't always follow such things but the Constitution does still hold that all spending bills must originate in the people's House.

03-22-2020, 08:23 PM	#22037
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Basically, this vote was a "we're going to take this bill, throw all the text out, and replace it with this" It somewhat gets around that rule. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-22-2020, 08:44 PM	#22039
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I have no idea what the context of that picture is, but I'm guessing that's not Ernie Johnson in the background. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-22-2020, 10:10 PM	#22041
BillyMadison High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003	Very interesting conversation going on Twitter about how, if self-quarantine continues to disproportionate effects Republican Senators, they can lose control. Could put the 300+ bills being prevented to hit the floor by Moscow Mitch in play. And of course it was Turtle McConnell who denied voting any other way but in person. You know he'd usurp control if the roles were reversed. There's a good chance the McConnell will lose control of the Senate over the coming hours because of self-quarantines. Rs currently have a 1-vote majority, but more quarantines, disproportionately impacted the Rs, are expected. — David Segal (@DavidSegalRI) March 22, 2020 Last edited by BillyMadison : 03-22-2020 at 10:11 PM.

03-22-2020, 11:08 PM	#22042
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	And the next step of the turtle's plan is to hold a revote at 9:45 (15 minutes after the markets open, and probably after the first circuit breaker is tripped) It's gonna suck, here's hoping the D's won't cave. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-23-2020, 06:57 AM	#22043
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Trump is going batshit insane and looks like as the economy gets worse he is going to push to try and get back to normal. What a disaster WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

03-23-2020, 06:57 AM	#22044
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- he is also going after every media outlet I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves? — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

03-23-2020, 07:02 AM	#22045
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The Russian twitter troll farms are certainly getting their overtime this morning. I guess every economic downturn will still have its winners.

03-23-2020, 07:08 AM	#22046
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	He is now retweeting things from his usual trolls such as "flatten the curve, not the economy" I think the Fauci interview has set him off.

03-23-2020, 07:42 AM	#22047
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I don't think he understands how an 'economy' works. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

03-23-2020, 07:54 AM	#22048
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The thing is, November is still a while off in our warp-speed media ecosystem. If Trump were willing to take some more short term pain this Spring, then things would probably be better by November. But the more half-assed he handles this now, the more of a chance it really will still be bad come November. But his brain just cannot think long term enough to understand a difference between today and next month (let alone months from now).

03-23-2020, 07:57 AM	#22049
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I think Trump has been positioning himself to give all the blame to the states for any of the response issues. Thus the statement that states need to handle getting supplies for themselves, no national pronouncements about quarantine or distancing (which many of his ardent supporters HATE), and general lack of concern. He's trying to seem like a leader to the national economy, but is not leading any of the response to the disease itself. Not sure how you can have it both ways, but he's trying. __________________ My listening habits Last edited by Butter : 03-23-2020 at 07:57 AM.