08-16-2011, 05:28 PM | #2151 |
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vote tn
This game more than any other I'm completely lacking in solid gut feelings. Usually i have a few solid readings of people but it never picks up steam. I am still open to visiting narcizo and zinto. Zintos record looks good but I can't shake the feeling. Narcizo from the early going struck me as the same as another game he was a wolf...a really helpful to the village wolf. Anyway.. ntn for now but I'm open to move. I think ill be around tonight... if baby sleeps like he should. |
08-16-2011, 05:38 PM | #2152 |
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Mau, assuming you intend to use your ability just make sure you have the order in ... I know how kids can mess up the best laid plans of being around FOFC WW games.
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08-16-2011, 05:53 PM | #2153 |
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I am willing to give ntn the rest of the day to come around and then if Jag can't find a replacement I think we have to lynch him. Right now other then the fact he has been silent and my belief that as a wolf he would put the vote on Danny early day one to gain trust later down the road.
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08-16-2011, 05:53 PM | #2154 | |
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Agh, I really can't decide on who to vote for or even push today. I find it hard to evaluate something objectively when it is in regards to me. To me, this post came across a bit as me definitively being a villager when really the only people playing that who knows that for sure are me and whoever the wolves are. EF, as a cleared villager, I'm curious to know what you think. I think there may have been one other post that caught me off from Jeheinz as well but I don't remember what it was (or I may be misremembering). Jeheinz seems a bit more involved today and his involvement strikes me more of a villager trying to get involved though then a wolf "faking" it. I haven't had a good record so far though thinking that both Autumn and Thomkal had a good chance of turning up as bad (as well as ntn who we don't know about yet). Jeheinz's voting record also isn't the greatest. His vote today also seemed like it could be a cop out. I started off the ntndeacon voting yesterday but it was because of a combination of his lack involvement and his voting record (which at second glance isn't good but not as bad as I thought). All that being said, I'm leaning towards someone other then Jeheinz right now mainly because I've been off with both Autumn and Thomkal and Danny (who I only voted for because I felt slightly better about EF). Right now, I'm leaning towards Lathum. His voting record isn't the worst but it isn't all that good. I have no read on Hoops is the one problem I have with that though. |
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08-16-2011, 05:56 PM | #2155 | |
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Yeah I feel like this is a pretty good possibility as well. |
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08-16-2011, 05:57 PM | #2156 |
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I am not particularly enamored with the two other candidates, since before Lathum fell out of the game I pretty much completely believed he was a villager. I am not sure about Telle. I don't know(still) what to make of the whole hammer situation. Her voting history is not great but I do give her somewhat of a pass for day four and five since she was on the block both times.
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08-16-2011, 06:08 PM | #2157 | |
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Yeah his tantrum with Chubby seemed villagerish. He is one of two players with an unknown alignment who voted for Chubby on day one with the other being mauboy. The other two were DV and bhlloy. Day two he unvoted Chubby and then voted for Danny to extend Danny's lead over Chubby to 8-4. Prior to that it was 7-5 so he was a bit late to the action. Day three he flipped back and forth between DV and Barkeep before sticking with DV and extending DV's lead over Lathum and Barkeep to 6-4-4. |
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08-16-2011, 06:10 PM | #2158 |
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I forgot that McKerney semi-cleared Barkeep, Telle, and Mr. Bug so voting for either three is a lower percentage play. That leaves myself, ntn, Lathum, heinz, and hoops as our best options for today.
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08-16-2011, 06:16 PM | #2159 |
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With ntndeacon, we might want to take a closer look at his day two voting. I myself didn't really understand what was going on between Danny and Chubby with both of them basically declaring the other a wolf if I remember correctly.
After Chubby came out and said he knew for sure that Danny was a wolf, ntndeacon voted for Chubby. The post number of Chubby's push for Danny came in post 694. Ntndeacon voted for Chubby in post 709 and didn't unvote him until 2 hours and 2 minutes later. If ntndeacon was a wolf, would he do that or would he distance himself as far from Danny as possible? |
08-16-2011, 06:20 PM | #2160 |
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08-16-2011, 06:22 PM | #2161 | |
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Looking past ntn's complete absence, who would be your main preference to lynch and why? |
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08-16-2011, 06:23 PM | #2162 |
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It seems like any "role reveals" at this point would draw some suspicion from me because we've gone far enough that any villager withholding their role until now is just detrimental to us
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08-16-2011, 06:27 PM | #2163 | |
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I think I would pick Heinz. You are right that ntn's day two would be an odd move for a wolf to do depending on what they hoped to accomplish from Danny's reveal. Lathum has me holding out on him being a villager. Hoops has been the most helpful of the group so I am not inclined to vote for him currently. I also am not going to vote for myself so that leaves... Vote Heinz |
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08-16-2011, 06:29 PM | #2164 |
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My thoughts btw:
Heinz - stuff already mentioned ntndeacon - Reasons for and reasons against already mentioned Lathum - Basically not the greatest record and not being helpful at all. Hoops - Seems completely counter-intuitive. He seems to be steering conversation right now which could be a good thing or bad thing depending on his alignment. I was pretty indifferent between Autumn and ntndeacon last night but Hoops definitely seemed to prefer Autumn over ntndeacon. That doesn't make him a wolf though. I have absolutely no read on him. He also sort of voted for Lathum for the same reasons a lot of people are wanting to vote ntndeacon which doesn't seem quite right. I don't know, the more I discuss Hoops, the more I'm inclined to vote for him which probably isn't a good thing. I don't want to talk myself into voting for someone. |
08-16-2011, 06:31 PM | #2165 |
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To go further on Hoops though, if Hoops is a wolf and ntndeacon is one as well, I almost think he'd be cutting him lose by now unless ntndeacon is a wolf and they're hoping to replace him (like if he is Loki for example). He'd probably be worth sticking another wolf's neck out for then.
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08-16-2011, 06:34 PM | #2166 |
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If Hoops is a wolf, I would assume that items cannot be passed from one wolf to another, which would be interesting to know as far as items go
If ntn is a villager, I would nominate Danny as someone to replace him |
08-16-2011, 06:39 PM | #2167 | |
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I could see the wolves keeping EagleFan in the game though just to try to gain trust for mistletoe holders. Also, the list is pretty short for the people who have had mistletoe so the wolves may not think EagleFan is worth that trouble right now if you, Hoops, or somebody else who has had it is a wolf. |
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08-16-2011, 06:39 PM | #2168 |
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I will probably go back and read most of Hoops posts and see if I can see what you are talking about Race.
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Looks like I got confused who I felt wanted ntndeacon over Autumn. It was Barkeep not Hoops. But yeah, those are some of the Hoops posts' and Barkeep's posts that I thought were Hoops' posts. |
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08-16-2011, 06:59 PM | #2170 |
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Dola, I think those Barkeep posts might be out of order.
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08-16-2011, 07:01 PM | #2171 | |
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Also, the one thing that did strike me as weird with Hoops is that this came out of nowhere. No one has even been suggesting him as a lynch candidate the last few days I don't think. It seemed sort of a jab not to lynch him. |
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08-16-2011, 07:12 PM | #2172 |
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I think I'm going to look at Barkeep a bit more actually before making a vote.
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08-16-2011, 07:14 PM | #2173 |
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Lathum being MIA mostly is odd, but he did claim he was on a mini-vacation
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08-16-2011, 07:19 PM | #2174 | |
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Something I just thought of with regards to the day one vote. Big time hunc here by the way. Of the six EagleFan voters, three are dead villagers, one is a dead wolf, and two are unknowns (Barkeep and Hoops). If it's vote manipulation, it's probably either Barkeep or Hoops doing it. That seems like a Loki power who according to mckerney seems to have multiple powers. I think Mckerney, also said Barkeep isn't Loki. Danny seemed to be the brutal wolf. Combined with having no read on him, Vote Hoopsguy |
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08-16-2011, 07:20 PM | #2175 |
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If it's vote manipulation and Mckerney is telling the truth, I think it's Hoops.
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08-16-2011, 07:26 PM | #2176 |
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I could be wrong here, but I definitely would like to see some more votes on Hoops after realizing this. If Vote manipulation happened day one, it seems like a Loki power. I just don't see Danny having that power.
If it's a evil duke, then we end up lynching a vanilla villager probably (which Hoops claimed to be at the beginning of the game). |
08-16-2011, 07:29 PM | #2177 |
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So if Hoops is good, than Barkeep is bad?
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08-16-2011, 07:31 PM | #2178 | |
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unvote tn Nobody is tn. Stupid phone. I will re-vote here momentarily. I still might land on ntn but I want to gather myself and see what racer is saying.. |
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08-16-2011, 07:34 PM | #2179 |
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Maybe. It seems like vote manipulation is a power that Loki would have in my opinion though which Barkeep has been cleared of. Let me reread the other roles to see if seems like something any of the other roles might have. If so, I might be jumping the gun a bit on Hoops. The thing is though, if it is vote manipulation, I think almost certainly one of them is bad since Danny was the brutal wolf. |
08-16-2011, 07:36 PM | #2180 |
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It also begs the question of how the mistletoe ended up with JS from Hoops? I'll go back and see if it was sent to him the same night he was killed? Maybe hoping it would get randomized to another wolf?
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08-16-2011, 07:37 PM | #2181 |
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08-16-2011, 07:42 PM | #2182 |
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Vote manipulation sounds like a power Utgaard Loki could have but DV wasn't even on EagleFan. Does it seem likely he could pretend to vote for Chubby but actually send two votes EagleFan's way instead?
It just seems much more likely to be a Loki power in my opinion. McKerney has cleared Barkeep of not being this particular wolf. If it was a evil duking or something other then a vote manipulation on day one though, then Barkeep and Hoops both could be good. I'm leaning heavily towards staying on Hoops at this point. Even if he turns up good, it would provide more clarity on the day one vote (i.e. making vote manipulation unlikely). If Hoops isn't lynched tonight, he absolutely should be McKerney's Loki scan tonight. |
08-16-2011, 07:43 PM | #2183 |
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From the looks of it, J23 did get the mistletoe directly from Hoops
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08-16-2011, 07:49 PM | #2184 |
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I am willing to move onto Hoops since he fits my five person grouping if no one else ends up voting for Heinz.
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08-16-2011, 07:50 PM | #2185 |
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So if Hoops is a villager, does that tell us two things, about both McKerney and Barkeep?
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08-16-2011, 07:57 PM | #2186 |
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It makes Barkeep look worse. I don't know about McKerney since he claims he can only tell whether or not somebody is Loki or not.
Voting for Hoops basically means a few things: 1.) You think it's a good chance it was vote manipulation (seems like a Loki power). Barkeep isn't Loki according to McKerney. That leaves Hoops as the ONLY other player with an unknown allegiance on EagleFan. 2.) It was 7 votes Danny to 6 votes EagleFan day one. Unless it's an evil duke thing, I would think there would be multiple wolves on EagleFan to try to save Danny. Danny voted for EagleFan as well as three dead villagers. That leaves Barkeep and Hoops. So barring an evil duking day one that went to the second highest vote getter, the odds are quite high that either Barkeep or Hoops is a wolf. |
08-16-2011, 07:59 PM | #2187 |
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I'd really like to see some traction on Hoops. He just seems like a lot better play at this point compared to Telle, EagleFan (yes I think he has a vote), NTN, Heinz, or Lathum.
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08-16-2011, 08:01 PM | #2188 |
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So torn right now
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08-16-2011, 08:01 PM | #2189 |
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I will go and move my vote onto Hoops.
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08-16-2011, 08:01 PM | #2190 |
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Votes as of post #2187:
1 - mckerney - EagleFan (2083) 1 - Lathum - hoopsguy (2094) 1 - Telle - Narcizo (2113) 1 - ntndeacon - jeheinz (2135) 1 - jeheinz - Zinto (2163) 1 - hoopsguy - Racer (2174) |
08-16-2011, 08:04 PM | #2191 |
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I gotta go with Racer on this. I had a bad feeling on Hoops early on, but he seemed to quell my thoughts with his answers. Hopefully his death answers more questions than creates them
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08-16-2011, 08:05 PM | #2192 |
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Wow, talk about spread out votes.
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08-16-2011, 08:06 PM | #2193 | |
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If it is vote manipulation does it have to be hoops or barkeep? Hypothetically, couldn't it be someone like jeheinz72 placing his vote on Danny and then moving his (or someone elses) vote to EF? To me this seems just as likely as it being hoops or barkeep. |
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08-16-2011, 08:06 PM | #2194 |
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I don't buy mckerney's reveal and his voting record is not good.
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08-16-2011, 08:07 PM | #2195 |
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Now, cue the dramatic music...
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I feel like I've been down this road before, but I'm not sold on this reveal. Don't these two things contradict each other? |
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08-16-2011, 08:08 PM | #2197 |
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I had a dream....
well, more of a vision... In this vision was someone that looked like Thomkal. He sent me a message in this vision. The problem is that not all of his message made it to me. I won't direct quote but I am still readiing it over to see if there is anything that I can use. Apparently he could scan to see who killed him. |
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That post was int he works before I saw either of these two posts. |
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08-16-2011, 08:08 PM | #2199 |
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Day 6 voting as of post 2198:
hoopsguy 3 - Racer (2174), Zinto (2189), MrBug708 (2193) ntndeacon 1 - jeheinz72 (2135) mckerney 1 - EagleFan (2083) Lathum 1 - hoopsguy (2094) Telle 1 - Narcizo (2113) |
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Oooh.. very interesting EagleFan.
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