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09-05-2006, 01:30 PM | #2152 |
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Blade, do you have a vote today?
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09-05-2006, 01:32 PM | #2153 | |
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I wont be around much today, so i cant be of too much help. I just see more of an argument against him then you, tough i havent read everything so maybe im missing ket evidence. I trust 1 person entirely, and i thank them for helping me come back to life. Everyone else is going to be analyzed pretty heavily later today. I really have to go, someone please help me catch up a bit with a summary or something. THANKS!!
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09-05-2006, 01:33 PM | #2154 |
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Yes, i am back to my full self. I can vote, protect, the whole shebang. I wont vote until later when im better informed, but wanted to get this in before the bandwagon started
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09-05-2006, 01:36 PM | #2155 | |
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Well, I fear the bandwagon has already taken off, but I am hoping that maybe Fouts will help me out a bit, and now maybe you can see some of the bigger picture and help others see it, too. |
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09-05-2006, 01:38 PM | #2156 |
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blade, i will try to get a summary type post up for you around 7 eastern.
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09-05-2006, 01:39 PM | #2157 |
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dola, i am out for work, be back on between 6 and 7
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09-05-2006, 01:39 PM | #2158 |
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Alright fellas... I'm out for awhile.
Should be back before the deadline. |
09-05-2006, 01:40 PM | #2159 | |
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Nothing happened to me last night. If anyone viewed me, it must have been remotely. I didn't see anyone, talk to anyone, or go anywhere. Mustang, were you watching me sleep again? We've talked about that. |
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09-05-2006, 02:43 PM | #2160 |
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An hour during the day without a post? Wow
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09-05-2006, 02:47 PM | #2161 |
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09-05-2006, 02:47 PM | #2162 |
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09-05-2006, 03:14 PM | #2163 |
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Always people around when I check in. Of course they're all dead, but still......
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09-05-2006, 03:49 PM | #2164 |
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Grey visited me last night to verify I'm loyal. It appeared he left satisfied. It convinces him that I'm non-choas, but 'm not sure how that makes him non-chaos. I can see how people he visits are convinced though.
Swaggs, what am I supposed to be helping with? |
09-05-2006, 03:53 PM | #2165 | |
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You didn't get the feeling that you'd be in big trouble if you weren't Chaos? Not that the description of your encounter would say that specifically, but you didn't feel that way? |
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09-05-2006, 03:54 PM | #2166 |
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Yeah, he seed a bit intimidating, but nothing I saw confirms him to be non-chaos.
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09-05-2006, 03:58 PM | #2167 |
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is Blade a zombie or some other undead?
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09-05-2006, 04:02 PM | #2168 |
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Well I reread Swaggs story, and I don't know anything about a family spear. Sorry. You said night 4 that you are turning into a vampire, which sounds bad for us.
I'm afraid the only two targets we have are swaggs and saldana. Everyone is convinced of Swaggs' guilt, but nobody will scan him. |
09-05-2006, 04:05 PM | #2169 |
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Brian, answer this; Why has there been no attempt on Grey, but 2 attempts on Alan?
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09-05-2006, 04:06 PM | #2170 | |
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Wow, you are a tough critic (though possibly smarter than the rest of us). Grey got past the bodyguard to interrogate GE, he left me feeling that the only reason I was alive was that I was loyal, he cleared Bullet before we found out he was loyal, and he intimidated you with his interrogation. About the only thing we can't confirm was his statement that he converted Mustang. All of that adds up to trust for me. |
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09-05-2006, 04:26 PM | #2171 | |
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That is a good question. I would guess it is because there have been so many people who refuse to believe Grey and the Chaos don't want to take that lynching option away from us, but it could be that he is safe because he is Chaos. I just think that if we are going to have any chance at all, we have to get some clues as to who is good and who is bad. We can't be guessing randomly through the whole game, so I'm taking Grey's interrogation as being one of those clues. I was in the camp who believed both Grey and Alan. In fact, I was going to vote for you yesterday until the big reveals came out. Now I put you at the same level of trust that I give to Grey. My list of untrusted is getting smaller and smaller. |
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09-05-2006, 04:33 PM | #2172 |
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This is my offical sucking up to Blade post. I dunno how he was brought back, by who, or for what purpose.
I just know that blade is my only hope for survival tonight. |
09-05-2006, 04:34 PM | #2173 | |
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So you are buying that Mustang was converted? Hard pill for me to swallow. I don't like Swaggs story, but he hasn't been scanned. King says saldana is a mutant, which is what I thought all along. vote saldana |
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09-05-2006, 04:36 PM | #2174 |
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I guess I don't see the game balance where twothree, alan, grey, and king are all human. Although, all of this has only brought us one confirmed chaos kill. We got a crap load of seers, but most of them suck.
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09-05-2006, 04:37 PM | #2175 | |
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aren't the bolded words basically king's reasoning? |
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09-05-2006, 04:40 PM | #2176 |
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Mustang, why won't you give us more chaos members. The rules say that you guys can freely PM with each other.
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09-05-2006, 04:41 PM | #2177 | |
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Normally I wouldn't, but I've been trusting Grey for this whole game, and it would seem silly to stop the trust now. Honestly, he has been pretty much dictating my game-play since he viewed me. He was the one thing I thought I "knew" for sure. If it turns out that he was playing me, I'll lynch him first in every other game I see him in. A vote for Saldana is not a bad thing since the mutants need to go too. I'd like to get in one of the two votes needed for Swaggs first, but I won't be sad if I get outvoted and Saldana goes. I am a little curious what he thinks he saw me do last night (or what he thinks was done to me), but he might just be setting me up for something. |
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09-05-2006, 04:46 PM | #2178 | |
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I am right with you blade. It looked setup to me, too, but without proof that Mustang was chaos when he died it will be hard to vote for him. I think its crappy of Tangle to not give us Mustangs affiliation. |
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09-05-2006, 04:47 PM | #2179 | |
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I would say 4 crappy seers balances well with 1 good one. I'm not sure they are that crappy though. They all give us some information, and we should be able to piece them together. Twothree gave us Chaos/non-Chaos. King gives us their roles. Alan and Grey seemed to give us loyal/non-loyal, but that seems a little odd and redundant. If we put viewings of twothree together with either Grey or Alan, we should get normal/abnormal and loyal/non-loyal. Normal+anything is human, abnormal+loyal=mutant, abnormal=non-loyal=chaos. Maybe Alan and Grey had the same role so we could be sure to match some things up before they both died...though it would be nice to double up on twothree then too. I'm not sure what to say about Saldana since his "visions" were totally unhelpful until the Mustang situation. |
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09-05-2006, 04:49 PM | #2180 | |
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Too bad we didn't get King's view of him. It would have been nice to know that he would go poof before we killed him. |
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09-05-2006, 04:55 PM | #2181 | |
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Good post, and what you say about the seers matching up makes alot of sense. Alan and Grey are the only copies of each other? Hmm. |
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09-05-2006, 05:05 PM | #2182 | |
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The only ones that we know about at least. I suppose there could be others. I'm really curious who is able to raise the dead. Any thoughts on that one? Any thoughts on the goodness/badness of Blade? I'd hate to just kill him again right away, but who knows why he was raised? |
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09-05-2006, 05:08 PM | #2183 | |
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Fouts, you wont vote for grey, but will you vote for brian?
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09-05-2006, 05:10 PM | #2184 | |
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Forgot to reply to this one. I have been untrusting of Grey for quite awhile, but nobody will go with me on it. I wanted to lynch Grey during the Bullet/St.Cronin tie, but couldn't get the votes and I had to choose Bullet over St.Cronin. Grey just has a lot of info for somebody checking for loyal/non-loyal. Grey worked hard to keep Bullet alive, but how could he know Bullet wasn't a mutant? Although, Grey had zero info on St.Cronin, other than path locked him up every night, but that is ok info to lynch cronin? I don't buy it, Grey knows too much. It looks like they will lynch Swaggs twice, because they have the backing. I might have had a problem with this, but Swaggs hasn't explained how Mustang knows that he needs to be killed twice. |
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09-05-2006, 05:11 PM | #2185 | |
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Chill dude, I didn't say you were bad, I'm just saying you are an unknown. I have no intentions to vote for you until we learn more about you. I would really love for someone to admit to helping you come back, but you aren't on my target short-list. |
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09-05-2006, 05:13 PM | #2186 | |
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I'm curious why you think Grey viewed you and then told the world of your loyalty. Do you think he was just trying to gain your trust? |
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09-05-2006, 05:14 PM | #2187 | |
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Saldana has said hes with me, as is swaggs...if you join, we have a solid voting block on grey
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09-05-2006, 05:14 PM | #2188 |
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Okay. I have a 30 minute break right now before I have to get back to work.
I investigated GE last night because he hadn't given us any new info lately and I thought he might be sandbagging. He is part of the imperium and can spot a Chaos member from a mile away.
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I have serious doubt about grey, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. What role do you think Brian has? Keep in mind, Anxiety and Mustang were chaos. How many chaos can there be? |
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09-05-2006, 05:15 PM | #2190 | |
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Yet hasnt.....right now grey, brian, king, and GE are my suspect list....gotta go work #s, one second
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09-05-2006, 05:15 PM | #2191 | |
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And for the record, I didn't vote for you the first time. |
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09-05-2006, 05:16 PM | #2192 | |
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We dont know mustang was chaos, we just assume. All 4 primarch have different roles and powers, and mustangs very well may have been just this, that after his death he can still contribute at night. I only count anxiety as a bad guy. I need to review his posts, 1 sec
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09-05-2006, 05:18 PM | #2194 | |
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Id love if they didnt. They have my trust, and possibly my protection tonight if i think its a repeatable power(not likely, ill likely guard someone with higher value)...im have 4 days of suspicion all built up, bear with me for a bit
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09-05-2006, 05:18 PM | #2195 | |
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That doesn't make sense, GE hasn't voted for a Chaos member yet. |
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Dude, where were you 2 days ago. Oh wait, we killed you. GE has been non-existent, so that might explain his not helping us. How many chaos do you think there are? We started with 18. What about your return from death? Care to explain that? |
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I didnt accuse you of it...in regards to the first vote, the one who stood out to me(besides alan and saldana) was grey. He confirmed my story, then turned on me. It was a highly irregular move.
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This is an interesting point, and scary if true. Didn't Grey interrogate GE on the first night? I've been through my own interrogation with him, and there was no actual communication. Fouts, I'm assuming you agree with this? |
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09-05-2006, 05:21 PM | #2199 | |
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If he wants to share, hes welcome to. When i revealed info, it got me killed...im not going to get him killed as well. If he wishes to share, ill support his claims. But i know who brought me back, how he did it, and when he ordered it.
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I think it is almost too convienent that grey "converted" mustang and then "cleared" fouts last night. They may have been working together all along. If mustang knew his death would leave to ghost form from the beginning then it is a great move for grey to say he converted him.
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