Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details - Page 43

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

So if we were at 9-5, we're not at 7-5 and tomorrow the game can end with a resounding *splat*, yes?

We are at 8 - 5 now.

Danny · 07-01-2008, 02:19 PM

7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:19 PM

We can't let them shut us out...I think we have been close but going off on too many tangents (and then crazy-ass deadline vote changes too)

RendeR · 07-01-2008, 02:19 PM

Must have miscounted somewhere, I thought we only had 14 people left going into today's vote?

Ok so we go through yet another day, either way, methinks we're screwed.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

Ah good point, forgot about the cultist.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

We are at 8 - 5 now.

I clearly cannot count.

*shuts up*

st.cronin · 07-01-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Do you take nightfall votes Cronin?

Yes; but I require a unanimous nightfall. All twelve remaining players would have to vote nightfall.

RendeR · 07-01-2008, 02:24 PM

VOTE MCCOLLINS

VOTE NIGHTFALL

not that I think the rest of the wolves will join in this for an instant.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:26 PM

VOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE NIGHTFALL

Telle · 07-01-2008, 02:27 PM

What exactly is the case against mccollins?

Danny · 07-01-2008, 02:28 PM

I really thought both Pass and Mccollins were bad. I'm on board with Mccollins now because we can't afford to lynch another villager.

Vote Mccollins
Vote Nightfall

That said, its obvious this was going to be the vote today. I wouldn't be surprised if the wolves were some of the first ones to make this play.

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

vote mccollin
vote nightfall

we have pertty decent odds at hitting now, and the only ones extended disucssion helps are the wolves!

Trying to end the game for your wolf friends so you can focus on the new game?

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 02:28 PM

vote mccollins

vote nightfall

We were this close to getting a wolf!!!! Then people tried to get tricky!!! We need to look at PF and some other late changes for certain!!!

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yes; but I require a unanimous nightfall. All twelve remaining players would have to vote nightfall.

Luckily, some people only get on later.
We still have time to stem this incorrect tide!
Seriously, the village really needs to keep me around til the end.

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote mccollins

vote nightfall

We were this close to getting a wolf!!!! Then people tried to get tricky!!! We need to look at PF and some other late changes for certain!!!

I think we need to look at you - you were unstoppable going after oliegirl!

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

What exactly is the case against mccollins?

I mis-spoke once and then I've been on the chopping block two days in a row.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 02:34 PM

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
UNVOTE NIGHTFALL

I really want to see what happens tonight when the rest of the peeps get in.

Telle · 07-01-2008, 02:45 PM

I'm going to stick with my theory on Danny. 'Cause either there was not a single wolf jumping on the lynch-Lathum bandwagon or he's a wolf. And I think that's a lot closer to being concrete than anything we have on mccollins.

VOTE DANNY

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 02:46 PM

Let me try this AGAIN:

Vote mccollins
Vote Nightfall

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 02:47 PM

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

Telle · 07-01-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

And the cultist knows who the wolves are and EagleFan keeps pushing for a vote on mccollins so shouldn't that most likely mean that mccollins is not a good target for us?

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

You know what? Seeing as how I'm rather conflicted with my vote on Pass, I'm just going to go ahead and follow up my thoughts on Danny with a vote on him.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE DANNY

I really do not like this vote at all! Nobody had voted Danny, pressure was on three players, Pass, Eaglefan and PF and you choose to vote for somebody else? That is extremely wolfish...

Telle · 07-01-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I really do not like this vote at all! Nobody had voted Danny, pressure was on three players, Pass, Eaglefan and PF and you choose to vote for somebody else? That is extremely wolfish...

I think most people have accepted that I'm a villager. So either you're just not getting it or you're a wolf trying to cause trouble.

And as for my vote on Danny, I'm rather confident that he's a wolf and was hoping to get more people to see things my way and it was still plenty early for votes to get moved around.

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's not much to go on. Do you remember LSG's post, saying she would like to see a Pass/olie run-off yesterday, right after mcscottins got his 2nd vote? That didn't set off alarm bells with you?

Ooooh trying to turn the pages in the last couple of hours eh? Getting desperate wolfie?

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Passacaglia has been lynched! He was simply a villager.

Oh shit....

I really thought I had him.

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I think most people have accepted that I'm a villager. So either you're just not getting it or you're a wolf trying to cause trouble.

And as for my vote on Danny, I'm rather confident that he's a wolf and was hoping to get more people to see things my way and it was still plenty early for votes to get moved around.

I didn't say you were a wolf, i said it was wolfish, as in a bad move. I didn't want to come right out and say I thought it was a bad move though, so i said wolfish instead.

And danny very well could be a wolf, i am not denying it, but voting for him there seemed a little out of the ordinary

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:06 PM

I really dont understand what the cultist does...

And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

Telle · 07-01-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I really dont understand what the cultist does...

And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

It's under the spoiler tag in the first post.

PackerFanatic · 07-01-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I really dont understand what the cultist does...

And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

First page.

And I am not sure what exactly the purpose of the cultist is either. Basically a fake villager who is really a wolf sorta thing.

claphamsa · 07-01-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

cool! that explains alot!

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

And the cultist knows who the wolves are and EagleFan keeps pushing for a vote on mccollins so shouldn't that most likely mean that mccollins is not a good target for us?

Exactly! EagleFan helped lead the charge on both Olie and me!

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I think most people have accepted that I'm a villager. So either you're just not getting it or you're a wolf trying to cause trouble.

Seriously.

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

It absolutely matters!! We've finally nabbed one of the actual 5 wolves!

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:16 PM

but i thought he counts as a villager....

And can we trust schmidty?

I would rather kill mccollins i think

Telle · 07-01-2008, 03:20 PM

The cultist counts as a villager but wins with the wolves. So we're best off keeping EagleFan around for numbers sake but ignoring him.

And so long as there is no counter-reveal I think it makes sense to go ahead and trust Schmidty.

LoneStarGirl · 07-01-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

well there are 5 wolves that hoops picked, so i guess the cultist counts as one of them

The question is, do we trust schmidty? He could be a wolf trying to confuse us (which we have learned is not that hard)

I think everybody agreed the masons are Telle and Render, but that leaves 6 more villagers... I know I am a villager and i am pretty sure GE is too. I have played a few games with him as a wolf and he generally gets more into it than he has this game.... The other four villagers I have no idea.

Seems everybody thinks EF and MC are wolves, but I think we are forgetting about CR as a very high wolf suspect.

PF I have no idea about, MRs Schmidty I thought was a potential wolf early on.

Can anybody dispute Schmidty's claim to be a philosopher?

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

And can we trust schmidty?

I'll wait to place my actual vote, but for now this is the first wolf we've found on real evidence rather than just 'gut feelings' that have all been wrong so far.

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

It absolutely matters!! We've finally nabbed one of the actual 5 wolves!

What I meant by saying it doesn't matter, is that I can reveal without worry, since the wolves already know that I'm a villager, and now that I found the Cultist, I have no special ability, which removes me as a good wolf target.

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 03:50 PM

Ignore Schmidty and his fake reveal. If I was the cultists wouldnlt I have been a vote on one of the parade of villagers we have been incorrectly lynching. I would have been trying to get Telle and Pass lynched. Maybe that was Schmidty's was of letting the wolves know that he is the cultist.

Either way we nail mccollins and get one set of fangs out of the way.

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 03:53 PM

Everyone repeat after me...

vote mccollins and vote nightfall

We nail a furry one with that approach.

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 04:18 PM

Again, the only thing on me is one dumb mis-statement.

As long as Schmidty is telling the truth then EagleFan is our first VERIFIED wolf.

mccollins · 07-01-2008, 04:19 PM

dola, st.cronin said he only accepts a unanimous nightfalls and I'm not voting nightfall. We have until 3pm ET tomorrow to get this right.

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Everyone repeat after me...

vote mccollins and vote nightfall

We nail a furry one with that approach.

Well, I'm going to say this - I know that you're the Cultist.

The fact that you are pushing to vote for mccollins means two things:

A) mccollins really isn't a wolf

or

B) He's the Brutal Wolf.

Right now I'm 50/50 on this.

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 04:44 PM

In fact:

Unvote mccollins
Unvote nightfall

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 06:51 PM

Personally I'm fine with mccollins, danny or PF for the next vote. Or Schmidty for that matter with his fake reveal.

It seems pretty obvious that we are onto a wolf and Schmidty is the cultist trying to gain favor with his fellow wolves by his fake reveal. He tries to take us away from a wolf to get another villager lynch and hopes he can be converted afterwards. With his fake reveal he hopes that everyone believes I was converted so you lynch me and it's game over as the wolves win at that point.

If it's 8-4 now, we'll either be up 8-3 if you go with mccollins (barring he is not the brutal) or we'll only be up 7-4 if you let yourselves get talked out of mccollins.

Schmidty gets converted to make it 6-5. If everyone believes him you assume I was converted and lynch me for a 5-5 wolf win and a shutout.

You go with mccollins and it's 8-3. If Schmidty gets converted that night it's still 7-4 and as long as you don't fall for his line of thinking that I am the cultist and therefore converted we still have a chance.

Look at my track record. I was wrong on oliegirl but so were many people as her olierage looked awfully wolfish. We are not wrong on mccollins. His recent actions look just like that of a wolf who is cornered and trying everything he can to get out of it.

vote mcollins and vote nightfall. You'll see the wolves as the only ones left who won't do it.

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Well, I'm going to say this - I know that you're the Cultist.

The fact that you are pushing to vote for mccollins means two things:

A) mccollins really isn't a wolf

or

B) He's the Brutal Wolf.

Right now I'm 50/50 on this.

Slip up there? Nowhere in the rules does it say the cultist will know the roles of the wolves, it just says the cultist will know who they are. I guess you were told their roles in the PM you received at the beginning of the game.

You are really trying to set me up for this one. I guess you know mccollins is the brutal so you left this post as another attempt to frame me?

Where is the C option of mccollins is a wolf or the D option that he is the cunning?

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 06:56 PM

Dude, you've been quiet all game and now are trying to frame me, that just sucks.

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 06:56 PM

Either way, I'll be able to scan you tomorrow night to see if you are the cultist.

Schmidty · 07-01-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Personally I'm fine with mccollins, danny or PF for the next vote. Or Schmidty for that matter with his fake reveal.

This statement is the silliest, and blatantly statement I've seen in WW. It doesn't even have any reasoning behind it.

Ask anyone that knows my style. I am quiet in the Beginning Game, pretty quiet in the Middle Game, and more vocal in the End Game. Every time. Especially if I have a role.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You are the cultist. Lynching you would be pointless, since you can't attack, and have zero powers. There are bigger fish to fry.

I am more convinced than ever that mccollins is the Brutal Wolf because of Eaglefan's desperate push toward his lynching. One for one villager is very enticing to the wolves, I'm sure, especially with the numbers the way they are.

EagleFan · 07-01-2008, 07:01 PM

If I was the cultist how would I know if mccollins is the brutal? Read the rules, the cultist will know who they are. It says nothing about knowing their roles. You keep slipping on that one. I guess your PM telling you your cultist role also told you the roles?

You left your tell hanging out.

07-01-2008, 02:19 PM	#2103
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	We can't let them shut us out...I think we have been close but going off on too many tangents (and then crazy-ass deadline vote changes too) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-01-2008, 02:19 PM	#2104
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Must have miscounted somewhere, I thought we only had 14 people left going into today's vote? Ok so we go through yet another day, either way, methinks we're screwed. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-01-2008, 02:24 PM	#2108
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	VOTE MCCOLLINS VOTE NIGHTFALL not that I think the rest of the wolves will join in this for an instant. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-01-2008, 02:26 PM	#2109
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE MCCOLLINS VOTE NIGHTFALL __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-01-2008, 02:34 PM	#2117
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	UNVOTE MCCOLLINS UNVOTE NIGHTFALL I really want to see what happens tonight when the rest of the peeps get in. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-01-2008, 02:19 PM	#2102
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

07-01-2008, 02:27 PM	#2110
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	What exactly is the case against mccollins?

07-01-2008, 02:28 PM	#2111
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I really thought both Pass and Mccollins were bad. I'm on board with Mccollins now because we can't afford to lynch another villager. Vote Mccollins Vote Nightfall That said, its obvious this was going to be the vote today. I wouldn't be surprised if the wolves were some of the first ones to make this play.

07-01-2008, 02:28 PM	#2113
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote mccollins vote nightfall We were this close to getting a wolf!!!! Then people tried to get tricky!!! We need to look at PF and some other late changes for certain!!!

07-01-2008, 02:45 PM	#2118
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I'm going to stick with my theory on Danny. 'Cause either there was not a single wolf jumping on the lynch-Lathum bandwagon or he's a wolf. And I think that's a lot closer to being concrete than anything we have on mccollins. VOTE DANNY

07-01-2008, 02:46 PM	#2119
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Let me try this AGAIN: Vote mccollins Vote Nightfall __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-01-2008, 02:47 PM	#2120
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-01-2008, 03:06 PM	#2127
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I really dont understand what the cultist does... And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

07-01-2008, 03:16 PM	#2134
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	but i thought he counts as a villager.... And can we trust schmidty? I would rather kill mccollins i think

07-01-2008, 03:20 PM	#2135
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	The cultist counts as a villager but wins with the wolves. So we're best off keeping EagleFan around for numbers sake but ignoring him. And so long as there is no counter-reveal I think it makes sense to go ahead and trust Schmidty.

07-01-2008, 03:50 PM	#2139
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Ignore Schmidty and his fake reveal. If I was the cultists wouldnlt I have been a vote on one of the parade of villagers we have been incorrectly lynching. I would have been trying to get Telle and Pass lynched. Maybe that was Schmidty's was of letting the wolves know that he is the cultist. Either way we nail mccollins and get one set of fangs out of the way.

07-01-2008, 03:53 PM	#2140
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Everyone repeat after me... vote mccollins and vote nightfall We nail a furry one with that approach.

07-01-2008, 04:18 PM	#2141
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Again, the only thing on me is one dumb mis-statement. As long as Schmidty is telling the truth then EagleFan is our first VERIFIED wolf.

07-01-2008, 04:19 PM	#2142
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	dola, st.cronin said he only accepts a unanimous nightfalls and I'm not voting nightfall. We have until 3pm ET tomorrow to get this right.

07-01-2008, 04:44 PM	#2144
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	In fact: Unvote mccollins Unvote nightfall __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-01-2008, 06:51 PM	#2145
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Personally I'm fine with mccollins, danny or PF for the next vote. Or Schmidty for that matter with his fake reveal. It seems pretty obvious that we are onto a wolf and Schmidty is the cultist trying to gain favor with his fellow wolves by his fake reveal. He tries to take us away from a wolf to get another villager lynch and hopes he can be converted afterwards. With his fake reveal he hopes that everyone believes I was converted so you lynch me and it's game over as the wolves win at that point. If it's 8-4 now, we'll either be up 8-3 if you go with mccollins (barring he is not the brutal) or we'll only be up 7-4 if you let yourselves get talked out of mccollins. Schmidty gets converted to make it 6-5. If everyone believes him you assume I was converted and lynch me for a 5-5 wolf win and a shutout. You go with mccollins and it's 8-3. If Schmidty gets converted that night it's still 7-4 and as long as you don't fall for his line of thinking that I am the cultist and therefore converted we still have a chance. Look at my track record. I was wrong on oliegirl but so were many people as her olierage looked awfully wolfish. We are not wrong on mccollins. His recent actions look just like that of a wolf who is cornered and trying everything he can to get out of it. vote mcollins and vote nightfall. You'll see the wolves as the only ones left who won't do it.

07-01-2008, 06:56 PM	#2147
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Dude, you've been quiet all game and now are trying to frame me, that just sucks.

07-01-2008, 06:56 PM	#2148
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Either way, I'll be able to scan you tomorrow night to see if you are the cultist.

07-01-2008, 07:01 PM	#2150
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	If I was the cultist how would I know if mccollins is the brutal? Read the rules, the cultist will know who they are. It says nothing about knowing their roles. You keep slipping on that one. I guess your PM telling you your cultist role also told you the roles? You left your tell hanging out.

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