LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[KWhit]

And I am not sure what the problem is game-wise of just saying "I am not spawn". Haven't people done that in the past? What is the thinking behind avoiding that?

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, sounds like we are on the same page.

I'm fine going on the away mission, but if I'm going I would prefer that any clearance today come from the doc and not the empath.

I would prefer that the empath targets someone who stays on the ship today.

I'm fine being scanned or not being scanned - whatever people prefer. I just want to make sure we are smart about it, whichever direction we take.

[PurdueBrad]

KWhit, I agree, although with the spawnling possibility wouldn't the statement "I have not been infected" work even better?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And I am not sure what the problem is game-wise of just saying "I am not spawn". Haven't people done that in the past? What is the thinking behind avoiding that?

Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

KWhit, I agree, although with the spawnling possibility wouldn't the statement "I have not been infected" work even better?

I suppose so, although you can be infected without knowing it, I believe.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

Ahhhh, makes sense.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm heading out to see Wall*E so I'll be back in a while. Good luck if you guys go on missions.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

Heh. I was thinking the other way around. I know that if this were happening in real life and I had the chance to read one person's mind once per day, I'd walk up to every one and ask them to say a very clear statement that would tell me what I needed to know. I'd only really read the truth behind the statement once, but I'd want every person to say it. If the person didn't do it, my suspicion of them would go up big time.

So it feels game-y to me to tip-toe around that.


BUT, I think the better argument is for game balance purposes later on. If you have everyone saying "I am not spawn" you could balance things against the spawn pretty badly late-game if the empath happens to stay alive that long.

[KWhit]

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

(After the away missions, I'd assume)..

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

I was just about to suggest that path scan someone wounded or exhausted, since if cleared, we'll put them in the brig with the comfy, comfy beds.

[KWhit]

I sent in my request to BK to plan 2 more mining away missions, so we'll have 3 ready for today.

Saldana, if you show up, you can take the slaves out again. Hoops, Telle, you guys should be good to go as well.

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

Originally Posted by KWhit

(After the away missions, I'd assume)..

Not quite sure yet. I see benefits to both a future doctor and hoops. I'm kind of waiting to make a decision after seeing how the day develops, now that I've decided to wait until after missions.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I was just about to suggest that path scan someone wounded or exhausted, since if cleared, we'll put them in the brig with the comfy, comfy beds.

I don't know how comfy. Alan snores.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

I don't know how comfy. Alan snores.

Just poke me and I'll stop.. That is what my wife does at least

[Passacaglia]

mccollins might be a good option -- trainer is a pretty important position, since he's deciding who our new doctor will be.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Just poke me and I'll stop.. That is what my wife does at least

Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

[hoopsguy]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by saldana

PackerFanatic (6) - (1090), Tyrith (1129), saldana (1136), Marc Vaughan (1153), The Jackal (1201), Schmidty (1371), Olie (1410)
hoopsguy (5) - jeheniz72 (1219), path (1414), KWhit (1431), Danny (1434), Purdue (1444)

in all my games of werewolf, i dont think i have ever seen a run on a player in that short of span unless it was supported by a positive seer scan...especially a player of hoops' reputation.

Note to self. I agree this was a crazy run.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

"If I am scanned by Path today, either before or after my away trip, he will survive the experience"

Does that work? It allows for the possibility that I could be infected on the away trip but pretty clearly states that I'm not spawn without using the magic words "I am not spawn"

The empath finds out if you believe the statement to be true in the opinion of the GM.

There's no way you know whether or not you'll be infected on the away mission.

FWIW.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

Hoops, so are you saying you saw Telle out and about last night while you were out lurking about?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

I thought YOU were the one on the move last night.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

If we are going to be forced down a you vs Telle voting path today like it seems you are setting up, I would rather the away missions get going ASAP for both you and Telle, as the performance of those missions are going to probably influence me to which of you two I will vote for (if I feel I have to vote and can't settle with no lynch which is my preference)...

Since each away team is you, a scientist and slaves, there is very little room for it to fail badly without having implications to you and Telle.

Since you are here now Hoops, it seems you get first shot to which scientist you want to pick to go on your trip even.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).

[KWhit]

And here's Telle.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).

He said yesterday that he wasn't going to be guarding any of the rooms and asked the security guards to as he was going after "Viper" or something along those lines.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

He said yesterday that he wasn't going to be guarding any of the rooms and asked the security guards to as he was going after "Viper" or something along those lines.

Yeah, I remember that - some Top Gun reference, I think.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If we are going to be forced down a you vs Telle voting path today like it seems you are setting up, I would rather the away missions get going ASAP for both you and Telle, as the performance of those missions are going to probably influence me to which of you two I will vote for (if I feel I have to vote and can't settle with no lynch which is my preference)...

Since each away team is you, a scientist and slaves, there is very little room for it to fail badly without having implications to you and Telle.

Since you are here now Hoops, it seems you get first shot to which scientist you want to pick to go on your trip even.

isnt it partly random?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And here's Telle.

i bet shes only 15 pages behind!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

isnt it partly random?

Not completely.

The success of an away team is dependent on:
*Whether the mission was planned by the First Officer or was unplanned
*The number of survivor crew present (non scientists)
*The number of scientists
*The number of evolved spawn on an away team(more spawn equals less success)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Hoops, so are you saying you saw Telle out and about last night while you were out lurking about?

Yes, I followed her. I'm trying to understand why she was roaming about rooms. I'll be curious to see what her answer is to this question.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I thought YOU were the one on the move last night.

I was following Telle.

Originally Posted by KWhit

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).

I posted last night that I wanted to hunt Spawn and asked other security folks to put in guard orders.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.

[KWhit]

After the commotion of last night, the mere howling of the wind on the ship’s hull is a bit of a relief. A very big bit of relief, actually. Those who hear the howling all night long include Purdue, Danny, jeheinz, & Tyrith who are seen working hard on the Cargo hold. They are protected by Schmidty. Meanwhile, Pass & Mrs. Schmidty protect the Security HQ and Saldana protects the Slave Pens. Hoops is seen lurking around various parts of the ship through-out the night. All in all the fact that you are, still, all there come breakfast time buoys the ship’s spirit.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Damaged 9 man cycles to repair
Water Plant – Damaged (Non Operational) 6 cycles to repair
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 64 units (Enough reserves for a little less than 4 days at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 16 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)
Brig –
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 18 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 5 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy Exhuasted
Ensign – Telle Exhuasted

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhuasted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa


Trainer – mccollins Exhuasted

Medical Staff
Doctor - path12 Wounded
Medic - The Jackal Wounded
Medic - bulletsponge Exhuasted

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhuasted
Warden - Passacagalia Exhuasted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhuasted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhuasted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhuasted

Scientists

LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic Wounded

Privates

Marc Vaughn Exhuasted
Chubby Wounded

The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK's post:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle
mccollins
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn


Do we know what any of these guys did last night (I easily could have missed something)

[hoopsguy]

2nd straight night for Bullet.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK's post:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle
mccollins
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn


Do we know what any of these guys did last night (I easily could have missed something)

No bed for me to sleep in

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

mccollins might be a good option -- trainer is a pretty important position, since he's deciding who our new doctor will be.

FWIW, I know I won't blow him up

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.

I have no problem with her answering for why she was out last night, or denying that she was out. If she denies it, then I am pretty sure today there will be a lynch despite what I personally ask for.. and the big question will be who to lynch you or her..

If the crew picks poorly, then we lose two officers as I am sure the other one will be next to go. By sending both of you out on away teams as planned, we accomplish two goals.. the more important goal of gathering the crystals we need and the secondary goal of seeing which performs worse to give an idea of which of you two to believe.

I am a bit concerned with what I feel to be stalling tactics from you to avoid the away mission.. THe spawn obviously don't want us to do 3 crystal runs today and will try to stop it... Since the only people left who can do runs are me, you, Telle and Saldana... I think we have to send you and Telle both out on away missions even though one of you may be spawn.

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

[PurdueBrad]

(waiting for the wife to get ready...)

If you look at the number of non-exhausted people though, we have 9. We had 9 available beds (4 in the sec. HQ and 5 in the sleeping room), the standard answer will be "couldn't find a bed."

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.

I think it's a great idea to send you both out on away missions before we do much else today. The added spotlight of suspicion will make it less likely that either one of you will sabotage the mission, IMO.

And we NEED both of you to go out today - almost especially because you guys could be spawn. We don't want to infect me or Alan since we're cleared (and render may be cleared as well, since he was scanned this morning. You and Telle (and Saldana) are really our only choices for the away teams today.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by mccollins

No bed for me to sleep in

Did this involve you roaming about?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

Yeah, I think we get the most/best available information from the mining missions of Hoops and Telle. And frankly, I will likely put my vote on whoever has the least successful mission (even though I was on Hoops yesterday although I'm slightly curious by Telle's night actions as well). So please Hoops and Telle, take on the mission and continue the discussion simultaneously as I want off this rock.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Heh. I was thinking the other way around. I know that if this were happening in real life and I had the chance to read one person's mind once per day, I'd walk up to every one and ask them to say a very clear statement that would tell me what I needed to know. I'd only really read the truth behind the statement once, but I'd want every person to say it. If the person didn't do it, my suspicion of them would go up big time.

So it feels game-y to me to tip-toe around that.

That was my thought - which was leading to real paranoia in me when I suggested it a couple of times yesterday and had no takers (ie. is it one human and 20 odd spawn in this match ).

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Did this involve you roaming about?

My PM (the first one I've gotten since my start of game PM) just said that there were no beds, I was angry about it, but the fact remained there was no bed for me.

Paraphrased of course....

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I have no problem with her answering for why she was out last night, or denying that she was out. If she denies it, then I am pretty sure today there will be a lynch despite what I personally ask for.. and the big question will be who to lynch you or her..

If the crew picks poorly, then we lose two officers as I am sure the other one will be next to go. By sending both of you out on away teams as planned, we accomplish two goals.. the more important goal of gathering the crystals we need and the secondary goal of seeing which performs worse to give an idea of which of you two to believe.

I am a bit concerned with what I feel to be stalling tactics from you to avoid the away mission.. THe spawn obviously don't want us to do 3 crystal runs today and will try to stop it... Since the only people left who can do runs are me, you, Telle and Saldana... I think we have to send you and Telle both out on away missions even though one of you may be spawn.

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

I would rather see you sent out on a mission than someone who is a Spawn. Particularly if the Miracle Worker could emerge to protect you. If that was the case, we could load up the mission with people and try to hit the jackpot on that mission.

I'll put my order in now on the mission, but in doing so I think I become a less attractive target for the empath today. If I'm to be scanned today - and I'm not demanding it, mind you - I would strongly prefer it be by the doc so he can extract the spawnling in the event I am infected.

[Tyrith]

Well, we really need the missions to happen and then the scan to happen ASAP so we don't spend hours talking about stuff that may or may not be actually relevant. Hours in the day are an asset, too, and I'd like to get us moving in the most productive direction as quickly as possible.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If you really want to go down the idea that one of the officers must be a spawn theory, obviously Telle makes the most sense to vote as she has the same percentage as the others, plus the added risk of being off of the ship at risk of infection twice.. Hoops didn't even go that path with his logic, instead he went after the person whom he had to gain if they died (to move up the ladder)...

Still trying to catch up in spare minutes during the day, but the bolded above stuck out in my mind in the midst of hoops' math posts.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If I'm to be scanned today - and I'm not demanding it, mind you - I would strongly prefer it be by the doc so he can extract the spawnling in the event I am infected.

I could see this as a decent condition after the mission, particularly since we have a second doc being trained (if I've read along right). I also like the idea of sending Hoops out, risking him being infected one more time, possibly getting him healed/cured if he hasn't evolved and moving on from there. I do feel our missions right now are of prime importance as the engine will be fixed overnight.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

(waiting for the wife to get ready...)

If you look at the number of non-exhausted people though, we have 9. We had 9 available beds (4 in the sec. HQ and 5 in the sleeping room), the standard answer will be "couldn't find a bed."

I only put three people in the brig.

[saldana]

sorry i have been getting killed at work today, no way i am gonna be able to catch up before tonight...can someone tell me if i should be running the 5 slave away mission and what role (mining i assume) so i can get my order in

[KWhit]

Marc,

What did you do last night?