WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[EagleFan]

Work Breakdown

Day One
Gladhandling: jeheinz72, claphamsa, dubb93, Lathum, Schmidty
Oratory: Passacaglia, PurdueBrad, Autumn, DaddyTorgo, Chief Rum, USFLTecmo, path12

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR, ntndeacon, Danny, EagleFan, Barkeep49, TheNorm


Day Two
Patrol: Chief Rum, USFLTecmo
Food Distirbution: Lathum, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, jeheinz72, dubb93, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny, Passacaglia
Organizing: claphamsa, Schmidty, ntndeacon, DaddyTorgo

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR

Arrested: EagleFan


Day Three
Gladhandling: dubb93, claphamsa, jeheinz72
Oratory: DaddyTorgo, Autumn, RendeR
Treasury: Barkeep49, EagleFan, USFLTecmo, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum
Organization: PurdueBrad, ntndeacon, Poli, Jackal, Passacaglia


Day Four
Hunting: Danny, Barkeep49, jeheinz72, ntndeacon, The Jackal, TheNorm, EagleFan, dubb93, PurdueBrad, RendeR
Patrol: Chief Rum, Lathum, Glengoyne

Mission: claphamsa, DaddyTorgo, Poli

Arrested: USFLTecmo



Updated with day 4 and CR's scan.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

why would it be suspicious at all? I could see your argument if i was trumpeting that I had voted for pass, but I haven't mentioned it (other than in an offhanded manner once) so....

you wouldn't have needed to mention it until you came under some heat.

[EagleFan]

Work Breakdown

Day One
Gladhandling: jeheinz72, claphamsa, dubb93, Lathum, Schmidty
Oratory: Passacaglia, PurdueBrad, Autumn, DaddyTorgo, Chief Rum, USFLTecmo, path12

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR, ntndeacon, Danny, EagleFan, Barkeep49, TheNorm


Day Two
Patrol: Chief Rum, USFLTecmo
Food Distirbution: Lathum, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, jeheinz72, dubb93, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny, Passacaglia
Organizing: claphamsa, Schmidty, ntndeacon, DaddyTorgo

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR

Arrested: EagleFan


Day Three
Gladhandling: dubb93, claphamsa, jeheinz72
Oratory: DaddyTorgo, Autumn, RendeR
Treasury: Barkeep49, EagleFan, USFLTecmo, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum
Organization: PurdueBrad, ntndeacon, Poli, Jackal, Passacaglia


Day Four
Hunting: Danny, Barkeep49, jeheinz72, ntndeacon, The Jackal, TheNorm, EagleFan, dubb93, PurdueBrad, RendeR
Patrol: Chief Rum, Lathum, Glengoyne

Mission: claphamsa, DaddyTorgo, Poli

Arrested: USFLTecmo



Updated with day 4 and CR's scan. Sorry, had missed one of Poli's actions.

[EagleFan]

Work Breakdown

Day One
Gladhandling: jeheinz72, claphamsa, dubb93, Lathum, Schmidty
Oratory: Passacaglia, PurdueBrad, Autumn, DaddyTorgo, Chief Rum, USFLTecmo, path12

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR, ntndeacon, Danny, EagleFan, Barkeep49, TheNorm


Day Two
Patrol: Chief Rum, USFLTecmo
Food Distirbution: Lathum, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, jeheinz72, dubb93, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny, Passacaglia
Organizing: claphamsa, Schmidty, ntndeacon, DaddyTorgo

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR

Arrested: EagleFan


Day Three
Gladhandling: dubb93, claphamsa, jeheinz72
Oratory: DaddyTorgo, Autumn, RendeR
Treasury: Barkeep49, EagleFan, USFLTecmo, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum
Organization: PurdueBrad, ntndeacon, Poli, Jackal, Passacaglia


Day Four
Hunting: Danny, Barkeep49, jeheinz72, ntndeacon, The Jackal, TheNorm, EagleFan, dubb93, PurdueBrad, RendeR
Patrol: Chief Rum, Lathum, Glengoyne

Mission: claphamsa, DaddyTorgo, Poli

Arrested: USFLTecmo



Updated with day 4 and CR's scan. Sorry, had missed another one of Poli's actions. His name is too small, my eyes keep missing it.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Gladhanding: dubbx3, clapx3, jeheinzx3 9/8
Oratory: Purduex3, Daddyx3, Autumn, Render 8/8
Treasury: Barkeepx3, EagleFan, USFL, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum 8/8
Organization: ntndeaconx3, Poli, Jackal 5/8

Correction EF, I worked my specialty on the day that you made it look like I didn't (Day 3).

[PurdueBrad]

So I worked my specialty every time I could, did food distribution when Autumn told me to, and hunted to make sure we reached at least the ten there on the weekend.

[Poli]

I guess you could say I'm on a mission.

[Poli]

I'd have to say that helps my view of PB and ntn. I seriously doubt three sympathizers would all attempt to do the same 'work'.

[Lathum]

Vote PB

I think the voting record is what clinches it for me. Day 2 he had no where to go, a vote on Render looks bad as does a throw away. I think they hedged their bets hoping to gain trust by voting Jackal.

[Abe Sargent]

In Senate testimony, representatives of the mines are forced to admit that the Baldwin-Felts detectives “They were not the grade of men who should be representing the rights of property and justice.” Later, one accidentally and off-handedly admits that industrious men would still end each month $25 in debt instead of having made money.

[EagleFan]

Disregard that work list. I switched PB with someone on day 3, have to find out who. PB actually worked Oratory on day three. I thought for certain that we had him when I saw that he was in the organization column but I just double checked and he worked Oratory.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Poli

I'd have to say that helps my view of PB and ntn. I seriously doubt three sympathizers would all attempt to do the same 'work'.

Oddly that was initially another nail I had in his coffin since hie skill is oratory. I double checked and I had him in the wrong column, he worked oratory that day.

[EagleFan]

Work Breakdown

Day One
Gladhandling: jeheinz72, claphamsa, dubb93, Lathum, Schmidty
Oratory: Passacaglia, PurdueBrad, Autumn, DaddyTorgo, Chief Rum, USFLTecmo, path12

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR, ntndeacon, Danny, EagleFan, Barkeep49, TheNorm


Day Two
Patrol: Chief Rum, USFLTecmo
Food Distirbution: Lathum, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, jeheinz72, dubb93, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny, Passacaglia
Organizing: claphamsa, Schmidty, ntndeacon, DaddyTorgo

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR

Arrested: EagleFan


Day Three
Gladhandling: dubb93, claphamsa, jeheinz72
Oratory: PurdueBrad, DaddyTorgo, Autumn, RendeR
Treasury: Barkeep49, EagleFan, USFLTecmo, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum
Organization: ntndeacon, Poli, Jackal, Passacaglia


Day Four
Hunting: Danny, Barkeep49, jeheinz72, ntndeacon, The Jackal, TheNorm, EagleFan, dubb93, PurdueBrad, RendeR
Patrol: Chief Rum, Lathum, Glengoyne

Mission: claphamsa, DaddyTorgo, Poli

Arrested: USFLTecmo



Updated with PB in the correct column for day three. My spreadsheet skills are lacking.

[EagleFan]

I should probably add a no work category for day three for Danny and Schmigoyne.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Correction EF, I worked my specialty on the day that you made it look like I didn't (Day 3).

Corrected. I thought that was odd (and the final nail in your coffin to be honest) so I double checked. Had you in the wrong column that day. I need to go to excel 101.

[jeheinz72]

Anyone got a vote count handy?

Is it like 2-1-1? 1-1-1?

[RendeR]

o/~ Saint Peter don'tcha call cause I can't goooooo, I OWE my soul ......to the company store.....o/~

[dubb93]

Those of you voting for me I'm not sure what else I can do to clear myself. I asked to be scanned and cleared, the seer decided to clear someone who people weren't saying the were going to vote for today. I guess if you want to vote for me vote for me, my one shot was the seer clearing me and he decided not to.

A vote for me today removes a x3 on the good side from play and also wastes the days vote on a good guy.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

My specialty isn't up for today, organization. So I'm one point of labor.

It looks too early to determine where that will get placed.


This should be pretty much a slam dunk...unless our losses have eaten up too many of our x3 players in a given area. My thoughts....We figure out our maximum output, identify our weak points(where we've taken losses), and shore up those weaknesses. We can be counting on any x3 folks to be around tomorrow.

With 3 x3 folks in gladhanding, we'll get nine today. I think anyone else's one point in labor would be better spent elsewhere. Because there is no way that all three of them will be gone tomorrow.

So in short we shore up the weaknesses, and spread the rest evenly.

for now, although I'll be in later.

work PATROL
vote Dubb

You are voting me yet counting on my x3 in gladhandling? That doesn't make sense. If you think I'm a wolf enough to vote me you shouldn't be counting on my x3. You should either re-do your numbers or unvote me.

[jeheinz72]

Do we know who is a x3 in something that can't help us today/tomorrow?

[EagleFan]

As of 2068:

Patrolling: Chief Rum x3 (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo X3 (1958), RendeR (1965), Glengoyne (1996) (9/10)
Food Distribution: Danny x3 (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901), Lathum (2023) (7/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 x3 (1898), claphamsa x3 (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952) (9/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (4/10)


PurdueBrad 2 - EagleFan (1915), Lathum (2059)
dubb93 3 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949), Glengoyne (1996)
claphamsa 1 - Poli (2034)

no work order: ntndeacon, TheNorm, Barkeep49

no vote: dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I see USFL and Glengoyne in the thread, would love to get their read on our current situation.

I've got a few things up in the up in the air here, but to sum things up. I think the union is in trouble here. Just continually failing to convert camps, has really put us behind. I don't have a lot of experience tracking votes, but I've learned(in my one game as a wolf) that if you vote like a wolf it really is obvious. So I know that vote tracking produces results, and since we may be close to a tipping point in the sympathizers favor we need to get a wolf tonight.

That said;

Yesterday we had a fair case assembled against Dubb. Well some of you folks did actually. It was laid out, and looked reasonably solid. Well as solid as anything I had seen to that point. I expected two things for today...Dubb to be the leading candidate for lynch, and for Dubb to be pulling out all of the stops to stay in game.

That hasn't happened.
Why? --That's not the least bit rhetorical. Can someone answer that?


In the interest of just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. IIRC, this hasn't exactly worked for me in previous WW games, but I'm just not going to let that stop me.

I'm interested in the move on PB. I don't think the voting case against him is as strong as the one I saw against Dubb yesterday. Yet there has been a run on him. I went to see who started the run on him. I found Eaglefan. Now...If the wolves were going to convert someone...who better than a cleared individual? Same goes with a diversionary effort to spare a wolf, who better to cast the first stone than a cleared individual?

So I'm wanting an opinion from some of you experienced folks. Is the case against PB as good as the case against Dubb?

[EagleFan]

Please let me know if I missed any specialties. I think DT and Lathum are x3's. That makes it look even that much better if that is the case.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

While I was initally skeptical, I think the vote analysis against dubb looks solid.

Vote dubb

I'm not sure how to refute this Barkeep other than you have been playing in games with me since 2004 or 2005 and you know what I'm like in game either good or bad, I move my vote around. That doesn't clear me, but I think damning me based on me moving my vote around is silly. I have always moved my vote around alot.

[Glengoyne]

Of course this all goes out the window if Dubb isn't a wolf.

If Dubb is a wolf, then what I've laid out is at least plausible.

If Dubb is a villager, then I'm exposed as not knowing a whole helluva lot about this game.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Know that CR is good, I'll

vote dubb

So both CR and I could not have possibly been good? Am I missing something here?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You are voting me yet counting on my x3 in gladhandling? That doesn't make sense. If you think I'm a wolf enough to vote me you shouldn't be counting on my x3. You should either re-do your numbers or unvote me.

do you mean he shouldn't be counting because you may fake your work?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

do you mean he shouldn't be counting because you may fake your work?

?

[dubb93]

I believe it goes without saying that a dead wolf would fake his work.

[EagleFan]

One question. There has been mention of the number of people the sympathisers would put in one area of camp work in a given night. If they are not planning on faking work does it really matter where they put their work? I would think that it would only matter if that was going to be something that we investigated (like the mission group from day two).

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Please let me know if I missed any specialties. I think DT and Lathum are x3's. That makes it look even that much better if that is the case.

I am a x3 in food if thats what you are asking

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You are voting me yet counting on my x3 in gladhandling? That doesn't make sense. If you think I'm a wolf enough to vote me you shouldn't be counting on my x3. You should either re-do your numbers or unvote me.

Originally Posted by dubb93

?

I just don't understand this statement.

Abe did say earlier that the person who is lynched work still counts for that day

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I just don't understand this statement.

Abe did say earlier that the person who is lynched work still counts for that day

It isn't a hard concept.

[jeheinz72]

I just can't see enough of the case on PB and I'm not throwing away my vote (I don't think a clappy vote deserved and I don't think it'll get traction).

I'm not really sold on this vote, but it seems the most prudent course of action. Sorry holmes if you're a villager.

Vote Dubb

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

It isn't a hard concept.

no need to be a dick

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

no need to be a dick

The same could of been said in reverse on page 37.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't advise scanning Dubb......Thanks for scanning me Norm!

[dubb93]

Anyway to get to the point Glen is assuming I am a wolf yet he is counting on my work. That just doesn't make sense. Lathum, if you were a wolf and were voted out that day would you actually do that work? Or do you think you would fake it?

That said I am not a wolf.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The same could of been said in reverse on page 37.

are you insane?

my comment was solely based on gameplay and strategy, how is that being a dick?

On the other hand I asked you to explain something you posted and your response was "It isn't that hard"

get some perspective.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Anyway to get to the point Glen is assuming I am a wolf yet he is counting on my work. That just doesn't make sense. Lathum, if you were a wolf and were voted out that day would you actually do that work? Or do you think you would fake it?

That said I am not a wolf.

I get it, was that so hard?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I get it, was that so hard?

Seems so.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I'm interested in the move on PB. I don't think the voting case against him is as strong as the one I saw against Dubb yesterday. Yet there has been a run on him. I went to see who started the run on him. I found Eaglefan. Now...If the wolves were going to convert someone...who better than a cleared individual? Same goes with a diversionary effort to spare a wolf, who better to cast the first stone than a cleared individual?

So I'm wanting an opinion from some of you experienced folks. Is the case against PB as good as the case against Dubb?

I'll clear EF--while him handing me a shotgun (this past evening) may not totally clear him for some, I highly doubt a sympathizer would hand a known labor worker a gun.

Since I can't guarantee I'll be back before the work deadline tonight, I'll put one here now...

Work Patrolling

...and thanks Tecmo for the apt. hunting wishes.

[Danny]

Catching up, but PB and Dubb are good choices that developed today.

[Danny]

I don't have the same suspicion on Clap, I actually feel the opposite way about his Pass vote as it was the second vote on him and could easily have lead to more votes and Pass being lynched. I feel comfortable with our choices of PB and Dubb, not sure where I'm headed yet.

[Danny]

Do we have a vote count?

[jeheinz72]

I believe it is Dubb (4), PB (2), Clappalappadingdong (1)

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As of 2068:

Patrolling: Chief Rum x3 (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo X3 (1958), RendeR (1965), Glengoyne (1996) (9/10)
Food Distribution: Danny x3 (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901), Lathum (2023) (7/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 x3 (1898), claphamsa x3 (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952) (9/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (4/10)


PurdueBrad 2 - EagleFan (1915), Lathum (2059)
dubb93 3 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949), Glengoyne (1996)
claphamsa 1 - Poli (2034)

no work order: ntndeacon, TheNorm, Barkeep49

no vote: dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

EF I rethought my going on Patrol, and went oratory instead.

[USFLTecmo]

Hopping on the dubb bandwagon, call it a vibe thing, but he's striking me as desperate to stay in this game. If he's a villager, he knows it'll hurt the town if he goes, but not as much as it'd hurt the wolves if he's one. I see the latter feeling of desperation in his posts, rather than just "oh no, the town will be down another villager and miss a wolf" vibe.

Vote Dubb

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Anyway to get to the point Glen is assuming I am a wolf yet he is counting on my work. That just doesn't make sense. Lathum, if you were a wolf and were voted out that day would you actually do that work? Or do you think you would fake it?

That said I am not a wolf.

You speak as if you know there is a mechanic where a sympathizer, I want to type wolf, can fake their work. As far as I've seen that hasn't happened. So you're telling us that you know that for a fact?

Perhaps in a PM you've received?

[jeheinz72]

Would it be smart if one of the people who is just a x1 to finish off gladhanding today?

As it stands, we'd be 9/10 heading into tomorrow. If the wolves do somehow know this is endgame, it's completely possible that faking that one point would be worth outing a wolf.

Just brainstorming.

[Danny]

Glen, I'm pretty sure Abe said the wolves could fake their work and if not we all have been working off that assumption all game long, so I don't think saying that means anything.