LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS)

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think if Lathum or henry are wolves, we don't lose much by letting them live -- they'd have to kill two people each before getting more than two districts. Well, maybe Henry could get 3 by killing Chubby. But even then, henry and mccollins would have 6 total, and neither PB nor heinz would help them get to 8. henry, illinifan, and mccollins could get to 9, but that means that either there were 5 wolves to start, or that this whole thing is one villager-villager misunderstanding, which I doubt.

The main point I was trying to make is that the percentages on that side make me somewhat more leery of trying to avoid the dueling seer question by lynching a democrat like we were talking about earlier because of the risk involved. The wolves already tried to kill KWhit once this game, and that district would have fallen to Lathum. Although that was probably a seer motivated lynch, it's still worth noting.

[Passacaglia]

RE: post 2044. Yes, illinifan CAN be killed tonight.

[Tyrith]

Lathum, I'd say the same thing about you, it's just less relevant right now

Alright, I need to go do other things. I'm taking a side. Let's see how the chips fall.

VOTE LYNCH PURDUEBRAD

[Passacaglia]

Re: post 2047. I agree that the hint-dropping could have got him killed. However, if he's right, then the two wolves on the Republican side aren't paying that close attention, and he's pretty much just said that stuff in our thread.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

RE: post 2044. Yes, illinifan CAN be killed tonight.

Well that's no kind of good.

[illinifan999]

do the dems have any bills on the table?

[jeheinz72]

Also, it's worth nothing that PB said something "startled" both of us. That doesn't even make sense given the context of how CR flavors up the my PMs (in the times he has the time to).

It's more about digging into financial records and phone transcripts, not like seeing someone do something.

[illinifan999]

Assuming we decide to lynch PB, I hope that the BG will protect me tonight, while the doctor is protecting heinz.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Assuming we decide to lynch PB, I hope that the BG will protect me tonight, while the doctor is protecting heinz.

Yeah, I'd like to hope I get some protection tonight, at least get another scan.

I'll of course be scanning a Dem. Though unless it comes back wolf, I'm wary of it, as 1 of the 2 wolves left is the cunning.

It's worth noting in that regard that no one I've cleared should be all the way cleared. They could be the cunning. Though personally I"m not inclined to belive in the 3-1 start.

[chesapeake]

VOTE HENRY FOR SPEAKER
My sense is that having a speaker tomorrow (should we all make it that far) is better than NOT having a speaker tomorrow. Henry is moderate, at least.

[Passacaglia]

Ladies and gentlemen...cue the music.

I'm proud to introduce the next President of the FOFC States. He's got seven hundred something posts (I'm too lagged to look it up), he's led the Republican Party through good times and bad, and has been proclaimed as villager-friendly by not one, but TWO seers!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the next President of the FOFC States....Tyrith!!

[jeheinz72]

VOTE HENRY FOR SPEAKER

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Ladies and gentlemen...cue the music.

I'm proud to introduce the next President of the FOFC States. He's got seven hundred something posts (I'm too lagged to look it up), he's led the Republican Party through good times and bad, and has been proclaimed as villager-friendly by not one, but TWO seers!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the next President of the FOFC States....Tyrith!!

709! (soon to be 710)

[mccollins]

Can we nightfall to hurry this along? I mean, if I'm next I don't really know what else to say to prevent a lynch.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

For my stress level.

VOTE YES ON BILLS BE GONE OVERRIDE

I agree. Seeing as how we Dems haven't figured out anything for a bill either, it seems easier to just
VOTE YES ON BILLS BE GONE OVERRIDE
and be done with that aspect of the game.

[Lathum]

VOTE YES ON BILLS BE GONE OVERRIDE

VOTE HENRY FOR SPEAKER

[Passacaglia]

So is Chubby still going to be the Dems' Presidential Candidate?

[mccollins]

There have been a couple of un-nominations and re-nominations
...Developing....

[mccollins]

VOTE HENRY FOR SPEAKER

[Passacaglia]

VOTE KWHIT SPEAKER

Let's try to put a cleared villager in there, since he's next in line to become President.

[chesapeake]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Investigative De-limitation Act (IDA)>>[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Put Forth By: RendeR and PurdueBrad>>[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']>>[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']IN as much as Congress must meet out the Wolf party threat, and such threats as will be brought about by the members of that party. it is hereby Legislated that no member of Congress shall be exempt from investigation, Study, or Seer Scanning for any reason.[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Pass mentioned to me that CR told him there was a drafting error in this bill. The only thing I can see is that the cunning wolf would have protection from scanning if he had lost election or was President.[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']For our bills today, would the GOP like to resubmit it so that it applies more uniformly? Our side could offer the repeal.[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Does anyone see another mistake that may need fixing?[/font]

[Chubby]

YES on Bills be gone override

Heinz/PB doesn't seem to have changed much so I'm sticking with heinz as I really think he and illini are in cahoots.

[Passacaglia]

Although, I'm still waiting for a response from CR as to whether or not we can vote for a Speaker. He said we can, but we'd lose him when the new congress is elected, and I argued with him on that point a little, since PF stayed on as Speaker after elections.

[chesapeake]

[quote=chesapeake;1794680]The Investigative De-limitation Act (IDA)

Put Forth By: RendeR and PurdueBrad

IN as much as Congress must meet out the Wolf party threat, and such threats as will be brought about by the members of that party. it is hereby Legislated that no member of Congress shall be exempt from investigation, Study, or Seer Scanning for any reason.

Pass mentioned to me that CR told him there was a drafting error in this bill. The only thing I can see is that the cunning wolf would have protection from scanning if he had lost election or was President.

For our bills today, would the GOP like to resubmit it so that it applies

Does anyone see another mistake that may need fixing?/quote]

Readable now

[Passacaglia]

chesapeake -- the word from CR was that the bill just made it so that the scan couldn't be blocked. The cunning wolf's power was still there -- by the letter of our law, the scan still happens (is not blocked), just that the cunning wolf scans as good. I think that was the day that I had to take off during the afternoon, so I wasn't around to babysit it, but it ended up being a lot like what I envisioned earlier that morning -- a bill that made the seer unblockable, designed to sit on the right side of the spectrum, since blocking is a liberal ploy. I'm not sure how my Party morphed it into an "anti-cunning" bill, but I'm fine with how it turned out (especially since we're at our maximum power anyway).

[Passacaglia]

I guess that was a lot of talk, that didn't answer your question.

No. It sounds like we're at our maximum power now. My hunch is that CR won't allow us to take away the cunning wolf in any way short of repealing the bill -- and we can't afford to lose the BG now.

Plus, I think people are getting sick of the bills at this point anyway.

[KWhit]

YES on Bills be gone override

[illinifan999]

So you guys are giving the wolves their rider?

[jeheinz72]

YES on Bills be gone override

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Heinz/PB doesn't seem to have changed much so I'm sticking with heinz as I really think he and illini are in cahoots.

This, even though PB didn't scan illini either (something you reamed me on) and left zero hints as to being the Seer before today.

Additionally, you think, I as the wolf here, just *happened* to fake reveal and catch the real Seer in the process?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Chubby

YES on Bills be gone override

Heinz/PB doesn't seem to have changed much so I'm sticking with heinz as I really think he and illini are in cahoots.

I hope your a villager just so you can see how wrong you are when it's over.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Chubby

which stinks but i really hate the fact that certain people are pushing game mechanics as fact.

The one game I run was random on roles if I remember correctly. I don't think it's unreasonable to have 3-1 in terms of wolves in parties and i certainly don't think it's out of th realm of possibility that the wolves were picked at random

I don't think that randomness and a 2-2 are mutually exclusive. My theory is that CR made it 2 and 2 for fairness but randomly selected the wolves within each party. Therefore, it is just as likely the heinze was one of the 2 republican wolves as PurdueBrad.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

So you guys are giving the wolves their rider?

Feels like they're going to get it no matter what. If we pass any bill (even a repeal of a bill), they'll attach a rider to it.

If it's vetoed, everyone (or at least the party in power) will take a popularity hit.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by henry296

I don't think that randomness and a 2-2 are mutually exclusive. My theory is that CR made it 2 and 2 for fairness but randomly selected the wolves within each party. Therefore, it is just as likely the heinze was one of the 2 republican wolves as PurdueBrad.

This makes the most sense to me.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

This, even though PB didn't scan illini either (something you reamed me on) and left zero hints as to being the Seer before today.

Additionally, you think, I as the wolf here, just *happened* to fake reveal and catch the real Seer in the process?

I don't think he said his strategy was to go after just his own party. Correct me if I'm wrong. You being online so defend yourself so much is only confirming my suspicions.

There's not really any point in arguing with me on this as I'm certain you're wolf and our biggest threat.

[illinifan999]

Chubby is either a severly misguided villager or a wolf. At first I thought he was just lost, now I'm starting to think he's a democratic wolf.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Chubby is either a severly misguided villager or a wolf. At first I thought he was just lost, now I'm starting to think he's a democratic wolf.

coming from the republican wolf that's quite ironic

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't think he said his strategy was to go after just his own party. Correct me if I'm wrong. You being online so defend yourself so much is only confirming my suspicions.

There's not really any point in arguing with me on this as I'm certain you're wolf and our biggest threat.

1. Well he scanned Pass, Tyrith, RendeR and myself. Well he didn't since he's not the Seer, but that's who he claims. If that's not going after the Repub party, what is?

2. Wait wait wait. You give me a classless dig about leaving earlier, to go get work, and now I'm on too much for you? HUH?

For your sake man, I'm *really* hoping you're not a wolf. If you are, I'd be so very upset at you if I was a wolf with you. Your doggedness of this, even in the face of some *startling* facts is amazing.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

So you guys are giving the wolves their rider?

I'm hoping not, since I'd like to see us pass the CARP, which would get rid of the brutal wolf. I think they don't have very powerful riders they can add now, though, so it's not the end of the world, I guess.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

For your sake man, I'm *really* hoping you're not a wolf. If you are, I'd be so very upset at you if I was a wolf with you. Your doggedness of this, even in the face of some *startling* facts is amazing.

Quoted for truth.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by henry296

I don't think that randomness and a 2-2 are mutually exclusive. My theory is that CR made it 2 and 2 for fairness but randomly selected the wolves within each party. Therefore, it is just as likely the heinze was one of the 2 republican wolves as PurdueBrad.

Originally Posted by mccollins

This makes the most sense to me.

Really? I could understand henry saying that, since he probably hasn't caught up, but you've been around today -- all my analysis, and it still makes the most sense that the two options are just as likely?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

1. Well he scanned Pass, Tyrith, RendeR and myself. Well he didn't since he's not the Seer, but that's who he claims. If that's not going after the Repub party, what is?

2. Wait wait wait. You give me a classless dig about leaving earlier, to go get work, and now I'm on too much for you? HUH?

For your sake man, I'm *really* hoping you're not a wolf. If you are, I'd be so very upset at you if I was a wolf with you. Your doggedness of this, even in the face of some *startling* facts is amazing.

I don't think PB ever said it was his strategy which you claimed. I have no idea what went on in the repub thread to know why he made the decisions that he did. You'd have to ask him.

you certainly aren't too much for me wolfy, but you keep trying to argue with me like you are going to change my opinion... you aren't.

what startling facts? that because you fake revealed 1st you MUST be the seer?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm hoping not, since I'd like to see us pass the CARP, which would get rid of the brutal wolf. I think they don't have very powerful riders they can add now, though, so it's not the end of the world, I guess.

CARP won't get passed if the BBGB override goes through.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Really? I could understand henry saying that, since he probably hasn't caught up, but you've been around today -- all my analysis, and it still makes the most sense that the two options are just as likely?

I'm not sure I understand - I was agreeing with Henry that it was far more likely that it was 2 random wolves per party.

To be clear, I think the 3-1 wolves idea is dumb.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't think PB ever said it was his strategy which you claimed. I have no idea what went on in the repub thread to know why he made the decisions that he did. You'd have to ask him.

you certainly aren't too much for me wolfy, but you keep trying to argue with me like you are going to change my opinion... you aren't.

what startling facts? that because you fake revealed 1st you MUST be the seer?

Maybe he didn't call it his strategy, but c'mon man. He "scanned" 4 repubs. Named strategy or not, it's pretty clear what he is claiming he was doing there.

As far as changing your opinion, I could care less. I think most people are accurately siding with me anyhow.

and the facts are, in my mind

- That PB didn't drop a *single* hint that he was Seer up to today. Not one. Some seer he'd be for the village

- That he said something "startled" us, which is baseless as the Seer storyline (and common sense) would show that actual interactions between the Seer and the Scannee aren't even in play (it has to do with checking phone records and $$ accounts and such)

- That for this to be a fake reveal I'm doing, not only would it have to have been planned literally for multiple days before this, but that it'd almost certainly have to mean a 3-1 split in wolves and I would've had to have just *happened* to be fake revealing and naming the true Seer as a wolf (which begs the question that if I knew he was Seer, why not just night kill him).


But hey man, it's your funeral.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'm not sure I understand - I was agreeing with Henry that it was far more likely that it was 2 random wolves per party.

To be clear, I think the 3-1 wolves idea is dumb.

Sorry, I thought you were also agreeing with this part:

Therefore, it is just as likely the heinze was one of the 2 republican wolves as PurdueBrad

If you're just talking about 2-2 vs. 3-1, that's cool. And I agree that 2-2 is far more likely, but as I've said, I'm not willing to bet the game on it.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sorry, I thought you were also agreeing with this part:

If you're just talking about 2-2 vs. 3-1, that's cool. And I agree that 2-2 is far more likely, but as I've said, I'm not willing to bet the game on it.

Oh, well the first part just boils down to which reveal you believe.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But hey man, it's your funeral.

Could someone be pushing to get themselves lynched?....

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Could someone be pushing to get themselves lynched?....

You mean me, or Chubby?

FTR, I see little reason to worry about Chubby's wolfishness tonight. He's in my group of potential people to be scanned. That'll at least give me an idea.

If you mena, no. I'd like to not get lynched kthxbye.

[KWhit]

Vote Censure PurdueBrad