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Can we add Aki Berg to that list? On a side note... I wast watching Sportnet today and they said they sent Carlo down, one of the reasons they listed was that the Leafs are afriad they'd loose Belak or Berg if they put them on waivers? Seriously... who the fuck would want them?
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11-11-2005, 01:10 PM | #2002 | |
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11-11-2005, 01:12 PM | #2003 | |
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I don't hate the Leafs. In fact, I actually kind of like them. If there is no Wings game on the Centre Ice Package and the Leafs are on, odds are I will watch the Leafs' game. I grew up watching HNiC every Saturday and, given the stong pro-Leafs bias, it's hard not to like them on some level. They're almost always an entertaining team to watch and there is usually some drama going on. I like that. The only time I ever really hated the Leafs was after that horrible Nikolai Borchevsky goal. I got over that pretty quickly though. I still hate Borchevsky. The little punk-ass bitch. I even like Leafs' fans, but that's probably just because my exposure is limited to you fellas here. In fact, next to Avs' fans (local company of excluded of course, beacuse DD is cool), Wings' fans tend to annoy me more than any fans of any team.
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11-11-2005, 01:19 PM | #2004 |
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heck, I don't hate the Leafs either, especially as long as they have Sundin. then again, I also like Detroit and, to a lesser extent, Vancouver, so I'm not sure I'm really normal.
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I would want no part of either. However, you could easily find a quorum of Wings fans that would be clamouring for Holland to pick up Belak, just like they clamouring for Holland to pick up Oliwa when he was waved. They are panicked about the Wings lack of a "goon". They want a tough guy so badly they have lost all sense of reason. There is a large contingent of these people. Nevermind the fact that the Wings really haven't had a legitimate "goon" for years (McCarty is tough and will throw 'em down, but he's not really a goon) and that they are slowly (much to my chagrin) being phased out of the league. It just doesn't make sense to spend precious cap space on a goon who can't do anything but drop the gloves. That said, I am happy to see Derek Boogaard in the league. He plays for the Wild. He's a big, massive, slow-skating fella who loves to fight. I saw him in a rookie tournament back in '00 or '01. He had a guy lined up on the boards and made a run for him. The defensemen got rid of the puck at the last minute, ducked, and Boogaard smashed through the glass and went head over heels over the boards and out of the rink. It was amazing. I think Ottawa's McGrattan played in that that tournament too. He was a tryout for the Wings and got suspended for one of the games for attempting to be-head some guy with under a minute left in the game. It wasn't all goons. In '01 they had Heatly, Kovalchuk, and Datsyuk in the tourney.
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11-11-2005, 01:27 PM | #2006 | |
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As an Avs' fan, no. You are not really normal. Even my hatred for the Avs has begun to fade... Make no mistake, they are still my most hated team, but it's by default at the moment. No one has stepped up to take their place. But, that said, gone are the likes of Lemieux, Roy, Foote, Forsberg, etc. I've always really liked Joe Sakic. I like Konowalchuk. I have nothing against Rob Blake. Tanguay and Hejduk do nothing for me either way. It's just not the same anymore...
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11-11-2005, 02:59 PM | #2007 |
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I hate the leafs.
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11-11-2005, 03:09 PM | #2008 |
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I hate that I no longer have affinity, nor aversion, to any team(s) in the league. Stupid decade without a hometown team
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11-11-2005, 03:29 PM | #2009 |
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See? One the one hand, klayman thinks I'm a cool guy. On the other hand, my wife thinks I'm an idiot. Leaf fans can't win!
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11-11-2005, 06:09 PM | #2010 | |
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Well I'm a Leafs fan... and I really like the Habs...
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11-11-2005, 07:29 PM | #2011 |
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I'm a Habs fan and I like to hate the Leafs, but that is just because my dad is a Leaf fan, so it is more of a family-thing than a Habs- Leafs thing.
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11-12-2005, 12:43 AM | #2012 |
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I'm from Alberta so it's against my religion to like the Leafs.
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11-12-2005, 06:58 AM | #2013 |
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interesting Leafs game last night.
Connolly with the ever popular 1 on 4 breakaway last night to get the game winner. and I think they need to look into leg chains or something for Belfour to keep him in the net.
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11-12-2005, 11:43 AM | #2014 |
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I saw that goal on Sportscenter, flipping through the stations. It was impressive in that he was the only guy on the breakaway. But they were making a big deal about it being 4 on 1 which really wasn't the case because two of the Leafs were just standing there as he blew by so he really only beat 2.
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Ah, it's only the Leafs...we beat those guys all the damn time anyway! Unfortunately, the Sabres run right into a fresh and waiting Senators team tonight. It likely won't be pretty........
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11-12-2005, 01:50 PM | #2016 | |
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11-12-2005, 02:52 PM | #2017 | |
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11-12-2005, 03:26 PM | #2018 |
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Sean Avery gets fined for diving... Avery just keeps maing it eaiser for me to hate him. Keep up the good work.
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11-12-2005, 03:49 PM | #2019 | |
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That player is a real bitch. He ranks right up there with Darcy Tucker on the hate meter. |
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11-12-2005, 04:10 PM | #2020 | |
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and, like Tucker, I really liked Avery when he first came into the league, and I think they contribute a lot to their teams. but they really need to be bitchslapped repeatedly.
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11-12-2005, 05:43 PM | #2021 | |
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I loved him back when he was with the Wings, so I guess I still have a little soft spot for him. I don't like diving and such, but I think instigators and "bad guys" add spice to the game. As much as I hate Claude Lemieux, the Wings-Avs rivaly wouldn't have been as intense and exciting if it wasn't for his asshatery. Guys like Avery make the game more colorful.
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11-13-2005, 12:06 AM | #2022 |
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Zubov and Jokinen win a shootout for Dallas again. A couple of sick goals.
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11-13-2005, 09:27 AM | #2023 | |
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I can tolerate the diving and instigating by themselves... it's just with Avery it's added apon a person who regularly talks out of his ass. Ass Talking + Diving = I hate you!
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11-13-2005, 09:56 AM | #2024 | |
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I agree. The game of hockey just wouldn't be the same without "pests." They really are quite colorful and are great for sparking controversy and adding that "dramatic" element to a game. You love 'em if they are one of yours and despise them if they aren't. Avery is an ass. There is no question about this. I saw him at a Wings prospect tourney where he got his free agent tryout. I remember reading about an incident in juniors where a player attacked another player with his stick and was banned for life from the league for the incident. I was reading up on prospects playing at the tourney and it turned out Avery was the instigator of the mele that led to the lifetime suspension. Based on this, I figured Avery was a guy to watch. During the tournament it was pretty clear what he was all about and that he was good enough at it (and had enough skill too) to make the NHL
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11-15-2005, 05:31 PM | #2025 |
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Unbelieveable.....CBJ picks up Sergei Federov and a 5th Round Pick for Tyler Wright and Francois Beachemin.
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can't quite get my brain around what Anaheim is doing there, unless it's to dump salary.
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11-15-2005, 05:42 PM | #2027 | |
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That's all I can think either. One thing that this does is get another Russian on the team that can help Zherdev out some. With Svitov staying in Russia this year, Nik seemed alone out there until the team got him a translator that was a former Russian NHLer. Now, he has someone on the team he can communicate with and through. |
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11-15-2005, 05:42 PM | #2028 |
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btw, anyone know of a site that lists player salaries and team payrolls? that info was easy to find in the offseason, but all seems to have disappeared.
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11-15-2005, 05:48 PM | #2029 | |
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If you go to the NHL section of tsn.ca, they have the depth charts and salaries of each team on the right side of the screen. |
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11-15-2005, 05:48 PM | #2030 |
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Strike one prospective first line center off Kevin Lowe's list. I would have thought the Oilers could have made a sweeter offer than what Columbus gave up, I just certainly hope Lowe is planning on standing still until the trade deadline.
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they used to...but I'm not seeing it anymore.
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11-15-2005, 06:46 PM | #2032 |
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Wow. That is quite the salary dump. Welcome back to the Midwest Sergei.
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11-15-2005, 06:59 PM | #2033 |
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Fedorov is not the player he was, but still. Nice move by Columbus.
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11-15-2005, 07:27 PM | #2034 |
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Good trade for both sides... the BJ's get their number one centre and have improved a very bad team, Federov is a question mark but I like him being on a line with Nash when he returns.
The Ducks were going to have difficulty improving their roster with Federov on the books and their overall salary situation, so this solves that problem... according to Hockey Bob over at TSN this frees up $4.5 Mill this year and next... although I'm not sure how since he's making over $6 Mill a season, unless he was due for a major salary cut next season.
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Fedorov is probably my favorite non-Bruins player, and certainly the most underrated player of my lifetime.
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11-15-2005, 09:44 PM | #2036 |
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Canes get some breaks, still get outplayed (as I saw it), yet claw out a 2-1 win in Ottawa tonight. I'll take it, considering the ass-handing they got the other night from Atlanta. 9-1 in the last 10 is still a damn fine effort considering expectations.
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Do you mean now, or when he was with the Wings? Because back in his prime, he got a TON of credit for his play. |
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But oddly, not a lot of love in Detroit...
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11-15-2005, 10:12 PM | #2039 | |
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I grew up on the East Coast, but my perception was that Yzerman was a much bigger star, although they were pretty similiar in terms of ability. It seemed like Fedorov got the blame when the Red Wings lost, and Yzerman got the credit when they won. |
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11-15-2005, 10:19 PM | #2040 | |
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I agree with Yzerman being overrated, but Federov underrated? Even as a somewhat distant NHL fan in the late 90's, my perception of him from the media was always as "the guy" in the NHL.
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11-15-2005, 10:21 PM | #2041 | |
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Yzerman is a legend in Detroit. He has earned his praise. There is no doubt about that. Sergei, on the other hand, was a bit of an enigma in Detroit. He was often blamed for "taking nights off." The knock on him was that he could take a game over at any time he wanted, but he just didn't want it. His flashy, Anna Kournikova dating ways didn't always go over in good, ole blue collar "Hockeytown." His holdout didn't help either. I don't think it was a fair knock on the guy. I think he tried hard, it just didn't always happen for him. It doesn't always happen for everyone. He always played well in the playoffs. He was a great player. Hell, I named my dog after the guy. Sergei got a bum rap for the most part in Detroit.
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11-15-2005, 10:25 PM | #2043 |
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I didn't say Yzerman was overrated. He was a great, great player. I just think Fedorov was his equal.
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Man... The Cardiac Canadiens at it again! Dominate the first two periods for a 3-0 lead, blow it in the third only to win it with 4 seconds left in OT... I need a pacemaker...
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Ok. I will allow a retraction of the bolded language and pardon as you were a "somewhat distant NHL fan in the late 90s. Read and learn:
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11-15-2005, 10:36 PM | #2046 |
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I would just like to say i dont think Yzerman is underrated in any way....he is one of the best hockey players we will ever see, and i have alot of respect for him. 1 team his whole career. Atleast we beat him in 93
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I love Fedorov, but he is not quite Yzerman's equal. Yzerman hit 80 pts 12 times, and topped 100 pts in six consecutive seasons. Fedorov has 5 80 pt seasons and 2 100 pt seasons. Fedorov topped 40 goals once, Yzerman 6 times. Even disregarding any "intangables" like leadership, there is no way you can call them "about equal".
the knock on Fedorov, IMO, had always been that, if other people were around to carry the load, he took it down a notch. and, sure enough, two of his best seasons were his Hart Trophy season of 93-94 and 02-03, both seasons in which Yzerman missed a substantial chunk of time.
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Anyone who thinks Yzerman is overrated is a fool and not a true hockey fan, let alone ignorant about hockey history.
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My opinion is that the people who say that are the people who just count goals and assists and don't recognize the total package that was Fedorov. He actually played defense for a while one year, didn't he? Watching from New England, I only saw them play a few times a year, but I was as impressed with Fedorov as with Yzerman - although I think Yzerman's greatness was easier to comprehend, more obvious. |
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we're generally aiming for discussions that are a bit more mature and civil in this thread.
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